Sorry, I misread the quote at first blush. I'll lose the snark. That said, it's still hard for me to believe Danny would go after Butler at this stage.
The Plan For the #1, er, #3 Overall Pick?
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Adam HimmelsbachVerified account @AdamHimmelsbach 12s12 seconds ago
Sources indicating 76ers/Cs trade possibility is definitely real. Source close to Fultz says they're "Not hearing too much. Just waiting."
Sources indicating 76ers/Cs trade possibility is definitely real. Source close to Fultz says they're "Not hearing too much. Just waiting."
But even this is risky, isn't it? I don't think Ball will turn out great, but if I'm wrong, he could be the spark plug the Lakers need to reach 40-win territory. Ditto for the 76ers.
If we know those pics are lottery, then I'm ecstatic. The '18 draft class is already strong, and if the league removes the minimum age rule, then it will be even better. But so much can happen in one year.
Yeah the singular "a future first" is pretty worrisome. But this is trader Danny here. I expect him to get a haul from Colangelo.
If his big move is just Jimmy Butler then yes it doesn't make sense. Butler alone doesn't move the needle to get over the hump against Cleveland. Now, if it's one move in a series of big moves, then I'm all for it.
After I thought about this situation more: the obvious choice is to draft Fultz and add Hayward, right? I think everybody can agree. BUT, why would Danny be so aggressive in moving the #1 pick so far out from the draft? He must know that he's close to a major blockbuster and knows what additional assets he needs to acquire in order to make it happen.
Though they would run into the same issues Boston has... not many stars are available, and of those who might be many are flight risks. If they like many people see Fultz as a franchise changing player, they are looking at a core of Fultz, Simmons, Embiid, three of the highest ceiling young guys in the league, all under team control into the next decade. It's especially attractive to them because Jackson/Tatum/Fox/Isaac are all pretty shaky fits for their roster with that #3 pick, Fultz is a great fit.
So is the plan to take Jackson and then trade players/picks for Butler and then sign Hayward or (more likely) Griffin?
I guess it depends what else and what pick. Adding Fultz, Simmons and Embiid to that team makes those Sixers picks not overly enticing to me.
Ainge as he sits already has the best collection of assets in league history considering the C's are a conference finalist as is. He doesn't need more assets, if he does this he has a superstar deal lined up plus a pretty good idea he gets Hayward also.
What rookie since Lebron has made his team significantly better? If it was a 2019 pick you might worry, but rookies are usually significant negative value, PGs particularly usually take a while to develop.
It can't be dependent on Jackson because there is no way to be 100% sure the Lakers don't take him.
I think - hope! - this is likely. And I'll be disappointed if it's just a flip for the #3 and a pick that next year might be 5-13.
Only way he should ever trade the pick is if he is getting Anthony Davis
The 76'ers & Lakers 2018 Picks might not even be top 10. How can you count on any of the 2-3 teams bottoming out when they are not tanking? Too much uncertainly. As someone said Danny CANNOT be wrong. If Fultz is Kyrie with defense.....
The 76'ers & Lakers 2018 Picks might not even be top 10. How can you count on any of the 2-3 teams bottoming out when they are not tanking? Too much uncertainly. As someone said Danny CANNOT be wrong. If Fultz is Kyrie with defense.....
ASB and Woj say the Philly deal would likely include the #3 pick and the Lakers' 2018 unprotected pick.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-76ers-advanced-talks-acquire-no-1-pick-take-markelle-fultz-215225362.html
http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/blakely-expect-some-intriguing-offers-coming-celtics-way
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-76ers-advanced-talks-acquire-no-1-pick-take-markelle-fultz-215225362.html
http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/blakely-expect-some-intriguing-offers-coming-celtics-way
If this trade doesn't include a minimum of the 3, the Lakers pick and the Kings pick it is a fucking disaster. So help me God if they want the 3 to take Josh Jackson. The last thing this team needs is another all defense guy who can't hit a goddamn jumper.
And if the end game of this is to trade for Jimmy Butler then it's even worse. In fact, the only way any of these scenarios makes sense is if they are gearing up to trade for Anthony Davis or somewhat of that ilk
And if the end game of this is to trade for Jimmy Butler then it's even worse. In fact, the only way any of these scenarios makes sense is if they are gearing up to trade for Anthony Davis or somewhat of that ilk
I'm not saying the rookies would do it all on their own. I assume teams are trying to improve each offseason, team chemistry changes, and players do develop. If you're telling me those picks next year are lottery, of course I do that deal. #3 this year plus 3 lotteries next year. I just don't think that's a safe assumption.
If Ainge truly likes Jackson as much as Fultz that's not a bad haul....just question the plan here.
Or they could have a deal in place contingent on Jackson being there at 3, and if he's not they just keep Fultz.
The latest from Steve Kyler.
Steve KylerVerified account @stevekylerNBA 4m4 minutes ago
So hearing the three this year, a future 76ers first and Lakers 2018 on the table to Celtics for the number one... thats a ton of value
Steve KylerVerified account @stevekylerNBA 4m4 minutes ago
So hearing the three this year, a future 76ers first and Lakers 2018 on the table to Celtics for the number one... thats a ton of value
If "future" is 2018 it's probably worth it. The further away it gets the more the value decreases. It's possible that any and all of those three 2018 picks (assuming best case), PLUS Jackson could be moved for an uber superstar.
Steve KylerVerified account @stevekylerNBA 44s44 seconds ago
Again deal with 76ers/Celtics not done but both team trying to arrange workouts/meetings with new players based on idea of trade going down
Again deal with 76ers/Celtics not done but both team trying to arrange workouts/meetings with new players based on idea of trade going down
The really interesting thing to me is everyone assuming that Jackson would be the pick at 3. I wouldn't bet on it. I know he's very much an Ainge type of player, but Tatum would have to be in play for a team that could really use multiple additional scorers.
The Butler thing actually does make sense. I realize it will not make sense for people that see no point to competing now, but it is easy to see a scenario where Ainge is asking on Butler, Chicago says the number 1, Ainge thinks that's too much, then says what if I could get you the number 3. So now it's #3 and whoever for Butler, and #1 for #3 plus future picks. So Danny gets the guy he wants in Butler, and gets something for winning the lotto in the extra picks.
Butler is attractive because he's better than Hayward (argue all you want, but it's true by almost any measure) and on a cheap contract for the next couple years. I think it is pretty easy for the Celtics to be under the cap going into next summer, and it is also possible for them to add some pieces during the season...or they could sign KO. With Hayward, you are pretty much locked in with no flexibility.
The downside even with the long game is that there is no chance a healthy Butler doesn't test FA after two years...and almost no way an injured Butler doesn't exercise his $20ish million option for that third year. And of course, the risk you are giving up a really great player in Fultz, of course.
To be fair, where I'm coming from is a place where if the C's had ended up #3 or 4 I wouldn't have minded at all seeing the pick go for Butler (even #2, presuming Fultz went #1)
This is not to say it is what I would do, just that I can easily see the "sense" in it.
Butler is attractive because he's better than Hayward (argue all you want, but it's true by almost any measure) and on a cheap contract for the next couple years. I think it is pretty easy for the Celtics to be under the cap going into next summer, and it is also possible for them to add some pieces during the season...or they could sign KO. With Hayward, you are pretty much locked in with no flexibility.
The downside even with the long game is that there is no chance a healthy Butler doesn't test FA after two years...and almost no way an injured Butler doesn't exercise his $20ish million option for that third year. And of course, the risk you are giving up a really great player in Fultz, of course.
To be fair, where I'm coming from is a place where if the C's had ended up #3 or 4 I wouldn't have minded at all seeing the pick go for Butler (even #2, presuming Fultz went #1)
This is not to say it is what I would do, just that I can easily see the "sense" in it.
Remember at the trade deadline the word was the lottery pick was hard to deal because we didn't know the true value? It could be #1, could be #5, etc.
So, now we know, and we're trading it away for the chance we get lucky again next year?
They must REALLY like next year's draft.
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Welp, there was the recent report that Josh Jackson was meeting with the Celts after all...where the 76ers previously had a promise in palce. So there's that.
you don't make this trade if you don't have a top tier of at least 3 players. This isn't about getting Jackson, if they loved Jackson that much they would just take him #1. They'll either take BPA at 3 or trade it.
Fultz and Simmons would be pretty good.
But I thought the idea was Simmons would handle the ball? Maybe Philly actually really wants Jackson. Hopefully. Please.
If this deal turns out to be #3, '18 Lakers and '19, I guess I'm OK with it. If Danny somehow can turn that into Jackson, Heyward and Butler I would be estatic and a top 4 pick next year.
More and more I think they trade #3. Fultz for say, Butler and 2 #1's next season is fair. And you could still sign Hayward.
Hahaha...Philly takes Jackson. LA is blindsided and wets their pants, choosing Ball
Just on the Butler angle, perhaps Griffin as a FA followed by a trade for Butler? Wait - they need to shed salary for a max, and then still have salary to move for butler... Maybe too tricky
