Yeah sorry. I've edited the post nowThat is better than what was being reported. The Sac/76ers pick is 2019 though.
Yeah sorry. I've edited the post nowThat is better than what was being reported. The Sac/76ers pick is 2019 though.
So praying Sacramento doesn't win lottery......otherwise pick in the low 20s?Adam HimmelsbachVerified account @AdamHimmelsbach 5m5 minutes ago
Here are the protections on '19: Celtics will receive more favorable of Kings/76ers pick, unless it's No. 1 overall, then they get other one
Most likely it won't be so odds are favorable for at least a top 10 pick in 2019 if they don't get a top 5 next year.if either of the 2019 picks end up being the 1st overall pick, Boston will get the other pick. Yuck.
But if it's not #1, they get the better of the Philly/Sacto picks. That's a net gain.if either of the 2019 picks end up being the 1st overall pick, Boston will get the other pick. Yuck.
Do we read anything into the fact that he was willing to lock in this trade now, instead of holding out to see if Philly would blink and cave on the protection as we get closer to draft day? Another shoe to drop, maybe?While it's not likely to matter, that top 1 protection two years away is really grinding at me. I don't expect Philly to be anything great but if Embiid is healthy that's a potential drop of 10+ picks, as Sacto seems like as good a bet as any to suck. If Embiid can't stay healthy I expect both will be in the lotto.
Will now be rooting hard for the Lakers pick in any case. Really surprised that 2019 protection was needed to get this done. Feels like Ainge could have held out given it's an extra pick anyway.
Low 20s? LOL.So praying Sacramento doesn't win lottery......otherwise pick in the low 20s?
There is no draft party and rumors Chicago was shopping Butler to PHI for #3. So yes probably.Do we read anything into the fact that he was willing to lock in this trade now, instead of holding out to see if Philly would blink and cave on the protection as we get closer to draft day? Another shoe to drop, maybe?
Oh ok, the Miami pick, which is top 7 protected. Yeah, I'd still do that.They wouldn't be risking a 2018 lottery pick, they'd be risking Miami's top ten protected first. If the pick conveys it would be a mid first, but from Boston's perspective it would be worth moving from a pick in the 23-27 range to one in the 12-18 range (depending on what Miami adds this summer).
Feeling that too. They're going to be fun to watch next season.In the other shoe to drop category, I am definitely getting the vibe that Jimmy Butler will be a Celtic before the draft.
Defense is a question about most 18/19yos. Positional redundancy and health is nonsense.I'm fine with this move personally. For me, the real reason to do it is that the 2018 draft class looks like a better fit for the Celtics than this one. Getting a shot at Ayton, Bamba to help in the front would be huge for this team. Getting two shots at those players ( if both the Brooklyn/LA picks hit) would be totally ideal.
Given that Fultz has several question marks around him (defense, positional redundancy and health), I think this is a defensible position for Danny to have taken.
Or he's full of shit and he trades the pick for Butler.Danny's quote that they looked forward to selecting a quality player at 3, assuming he's not full of shit, suggests to me they like Tatum over everyone's else (including Fultz). I don't think it's Jackson, but maybe it would have been if he didn't stonewall them with the workouts. Not that it stopped Danny before.
It takes massive balls to make this swap, and I don't see how Danny does it without being supremely confident that's Tatum or Jackson will be better.
It might have been this article: http://nesn.com/2017/06/nba-rumors-celtics-were-concerned-markelle-fultz-wasnt-winner/.Also saw a link on twitter, which I didn't copy for some reason, that the Celtics were put off a bit by the fact his college team didn't win more.
So basically the Celts traded the number 1 pick in a draft for another future lottery pick that can never be #1. Not a big fan of the second #1 protection either. Oh well. What is done is done. I hope this doesn't hurt the Celtics chances at some titles.Link from the Celtics:
http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/press-061917-celtics-acquire-first-round-draft-pick?sf90219853=1
If it's 2-5 in 2018, they get it. They get the better of Kings/Philly in 2019 unless it's #1 overall. Really don't like the #1 overall protections added for these picks.
BOTh top 1 protection, 2018, and both picks 2019, that's what's annoying me. But hey, once GSW falls apart, we will be ready to compete in the 2019-2020 season with 26358136581 first round picks.While it's not likely to matter, that top 1 protection two years away is really grinding at me. I don't expect Philly to be anything great but if Embiid is healthy that's a potential drop of 10+ picks, as Sacto seems like as good a bet as any to really suck in that timeframe. If Embiid can't stay healthy I expect both teams will be in the lotto.
Will now be rooting hard for the Lakers pick in any case. Really surprised that 2019 protection was needed to get this done. Feels like Ainge could have held out given it's an extra pick anyway.
Yup. This just makes the overall deal seem slightly worse. Philly should have been willing to give up a future #1 to get the #1.if either of the 2019 picks end up being the 1st overall pick, Boston will get the other pick. Yuck.
Is it top 7 next year? I thought it was top ten. Regardless, the odds are that the Heat make the playoffs next year (because Indiana is heading for the lottery again next year), so it's not really a big deal for the Suns.Oh ok, the Miami pick, which is top 7 protected. Yeah, I'd still do that.
That means nothing, Danny, unless you say which trades of the past were not and who was on each side.Marc D'AmicoVerified account @Marc_DAmico 12m12 minutes ago
Danny Ainge says this trade was unanimous in the #Celtics front office.
That means less than nothing. What else is he going to say? "We're not sure about this one...could be a fucking disaster"Marc D'AmicoVerified account @Marc_DAmico 12m12 minutes ago
Danny Ainge says this trade was unanimous in the #Celtics front office.
No, the Celtics traded the #1 pick in the draft for the #3 pick in the draft, and another pick that could be #2-5 in 2018 or #2-30 in 2019 -- with very high probabilities that it will be top 2-10 in one of those years.So basically the Celts traded the number 1 pick in a draft for another future lottery pick that can never be #1. Not a big fan of the second #1 protection either. Oh well. What is done is done. I hope this doesn't hurt the Celtics chances at some titles.
Most drafts shake out the way people expect them to. The first 2 picks are going to be from Fultz/Ball/Jackson. He likes someone else, or he's trading the pick.That means less than nothing. What else is he going to say? "We're not sure about this one...could be a fucking disaster"
Meanwhile, how could he possibly know this?
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As Danny has said, they've watched these guys for years via HS, AAU, and college. The implication that hitting 15 straight 3-pointers means anything to them is gloriously stupid.Fran FraschillaVerified account @franfraschilla 11m11 minutes ago
Saw Tatum's first Celtics' workout in LA & he was excellent.15 straight NBA 3's. This is getting interesting.
He didn't have to say unanimous. He could have easily said something such as there was a wide discussion about this pick and the consensus was to trade down. That would indicate that some were for and some were against it.That means less than nothing. What else is he going to say? "We're not sure about this one...could be a fucking disaster"
Meanwhile, how could he possibly know this?
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And all of those times watching they were seeing Tatum shoot college 3's. If he's showing he is going to be a good NBA 3-pt shooter than that's another positive.As Danny has said, they've watched these guys for years via HS, AAU, and college. The implication that hitting 15 straight 3-pointers means anything to them is gloriously stupid.
The trade seems like good value as the Celts were not sold on Fultz (from everything that is coming out now), but I still believe they traded the #1 pick (in a draft where they didn't like the consensus #1) for an additional lottery pick in the future that can't be #1.No, the Celtics traded the #1 pick in the draft for the #3 pick in the draft, and another pick that could be #2-5 in 2018 or #2-30 in 2019 -- with very high probabilities that it will be top 2-10 in one of those years.
Maybe I'm missing something but why would Jackson's agent refuse to have Jackson work out for the Celtics previously but relent now? Either he thinks Jackson can succeed on the Celtics or he doesn't - what's changed?Celtics are hoping to work out Jackson tomorrow according to various reporters
I was about to say the same thing. My guess is it Tatum but would love Isaac for some much needed rim protectionIt's all reading tea leaves, of course, but that statement makes me think even more than they are planning on taking someone like Isaac or Smith since it's much less likely they will be picked second. Or, it's Tatum and they are just convinced Lakers aren't interested. Jackson seems unlikely in light of that comment because I don't think it's inconceivable LA takes Jackson at 2.
Edited to add: Or a trade is already in place with the Bulls and he knows the Bulls want someone other than the Fultz/Ball/Jackson trio.
Well, you're still wrong then. They dropped two slots and picked up the potential of another 2-10 pick in the next two years. There is good value there, and great value if Fultz and Jackson/Tatum are a wash.The trade seems like good value as the Celts were not sold on Fultz (from everything that is coming out now), but I still believe they traded the #1 pick (in a draft where they didn't like the consensus #1) for an additional lottery pick in the future that can't be #1.
I am just saying that it would have been nice to not have the #1 pick on the 2019 picks. Philly should have been willing to roll the dice to get their guy in Fultz.