He punted from field goal range. WTF is wrong with people? And Gase could have accepted it.
The Nation's Tears: Volume III
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I didn't see that article as whining. I thought it was kind of respectful of Belichick's cleverness. If it was whining, it wouldn't have included Belichick's admission that they exploited a loophole and that it probably should be closed, but as of now it's not so it's ok to use it. That was as fair an article on that little sequence as you're gonna find, I think.
I tend to agree, with the exception of the title itself, and of course, the reaction it's going to stir from the rest of the nation that doesn't understand the rules.
I'd have much rather tried out Nugent's range from that distance just to see how he'd do in game conditions, and saved this sort of thing for situations where it actually might matter
So could the Patriots have theoretically just kept doing the same thing over and over again, each time daring Gase to finally accept the penalty? If so then Belichick really didn't even exploit the loophole as much as he could have.
This is what I thought; eventually we are probably going to need Nugent to hit a 45+ yard kick and I'd like to see him make one in a low-stakes game environment.
I was under the impression that one more penalty and the refs would give them an Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty. Since it's a 15 yarder, Gase would probably accept.
Yes, they mentioned that on the telecast after the false start - I think Booger said something like, "One more and the refs give them a 15 yarder."
Got it, thanks. Was watching the game on mute so didn't hear that comment.
Back in the Atlanta Super Bowl there was a play that surprised a lot of people. The Falcons went to punt with about 50 seconds or more left on the clock and they took a delay of game penalty. Then they wound the clock and the quarter ended before the punt.
I think that kind of brought this issue to national attention. I didn't know the rule was that if the clock is moving when a pre-snap penalty is committed the clock gets rewound until 2:00 left. Even Buck was surprised as I recall that game. It was a bit of a perfect storm, because ordinarily who ever looks at the clock. The fact that it was right at the end of the quarter in the Super Bowl and was a delay of game penalty caused some media attention as I recall.
One of the questions was whether you could just continually take delay of game penalties to cause the other team to use a time out to keep the clock from running all the way to 2:00 warning. Imagine a team is punting from its one yard line and has a big lead. Why not? You can take infinite half the distance penalties.
In the aftermath, it was clarified that this kind of time abuse can be a 15 yard penalty. And John Parry last night mentioned in the booth that it would be 15 yards if Belichick did it again. I think the rule may even have been clarified to permit an official to stop the clock for timing delays, which make sense. Because in the half the distance situation on fourth down, even a 15 yard penalty is no big deal.
The solution is to simply not start the game clock after a penalty. Have it start at the next snap. Have that be the rule; it would take care of the problem immediately.
I remember the play from the Super Bowl, clearly, but I don't remember it getting ANY attention after the game. Otherwise wouldn't the competition committee have fixed it, like they did with the NYG too many men issue?
You can't do that either though. The offense could commit a penalty to stop the clock in a situation where they're trailing and out of TOs.
Well then BB would have been accused of running up the score.
That's why teams typically go for it on 4th down in similar situations when leading by a large margin. Field goals are nearly guaranteed points, 4th down conversions have a much lower success rate.
Sure they could. But then they'd be penalized. Which I'm sure they'd be happy to take, but oh well.
Having the clock stop on accepted penalties but run on declined penalties in those situations seems like a way to fix that particular loophole.
I think that's exactly what happened here. Right after the Super Bowl, the competition committee proposed a rule to make it unsportsmanlike conduct to manipulate the game clock by taking multiple penalties on the same down.
It's number 14 here and I believe the owners adopted it later that year: https://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-game/2017-playing-rules-proposals/
I don't know whether the Super Bowl punt was the catalyst -- I think the Ravens or someone else did some tricky stuff earlier in the year -- but I remember there being discussion and surprise after the game that you could take a delay of game and the clock would still run.
If they were inside of 2 minutes and didn't have any timeouts, there would be a 10 second run off in that situation.
Yesterday was a weird perfect storm, 10 or so minutes left, blowout game, BB didn't want to run up the score, but wanted to run the clock down. Gase played into his hand a little, and there you have it.
The only thing I would have liked more is if Bill took the 15 yarder and then another 15 yarder, and continued to run time off the clock. They were punting from like the 31. Punting from their own 39 would have given Bailey even more room to kick. But, I think after the 1st 2 declined penalties and a minute or so off the clock, BB had made his point.
In an Atlanta Constitution article about Matt Bryant getting released by the Falcons, which went on to recount his great Falcons career and pivotal role in some of the franchise's greatest victories ever, I was delighted to come across this reference:
https://www.ajc.com/blog/mark-bradley/sad-sign-the-times-the-falcons-cut-matt-bryant/hSVtGnffUDvKIAEHno4yhO/
The casual-yet-poignant reference to "28-3" says everything. They've been scarred for life.
https://www.ajc.com/blog/mark-bradley/sad-sign-the-times-the-falcons-cut-matt-bryant/hSVtGnffUDvKIAEHno4yhO/
Basically it's saying if the Bills win the East they should declare a national holiday.
I guessed that much from the link.
BTW, this isn't so much a Nation's Tears piece--there's very little salt if any--as a really funny piece for the Celebrating What Is thread. Some highlights:
Grumpy Lobster Boat Captain - funny image, that immediately conjured up the image of another lobster boat captain/Boston champion...
On a different note, I wonder - has any SOSH'er ever compared BB to Ahab? Probably a treasure trove of images and funny retellin of Moby Dick through the eyes of a Patriot Queequeg. Which player would be Queequeg? Which one would be Ishmael? Is Goodell Moby Dick?
On a different note, I wonder - has any SOSH'er ever compared BB to Ahab? Probably a treasure trove of images and funny retellin of Moby Dick through the eyes of a Patriot Queequeg. Which player would be Queequeg? Which one would be Ishmael? Is Goodell Moby Dick?
Better flip that thing back over again, pal.
View: https://twitter.com/Dallaswentdown/status/1208155445829001219
View: https://twitter.com/Dallaswentdown/status/1208155445829001219
Ooof, Brady may not be the only one running out of time going by the gurgling sounds the guy makes by the end of the rant.
I can't get past all his missing chiclets, he should worry more about gingivitis than Brady.
and shelton got mugged on literally the next play, the long pass that set the bills up 1st and goal, strangely he doesn't mention that one though
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it was funny seeing 2 of the 3 NFL Network "analysts" pregame pick the Bills.
we should have blown the Bills out. what are you smoking?
we should have blown the Bills out. what are you smoking?
Feel like Steve Smith never picks Pats. Likely residual bitterness from SB 38 and 2014 Div Round.
I also got the sense in the postgame show that he and Willie M. have the kind of relationship where Smith is disinclined to agree with Willie on a pick for the sake of friendly competition.
