The Nation's Tears: Volume III

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Yup. Guy said he got a text … from someone who said he had a brother in FL ... who had a wealthy friend or client ... who was told by someone in the FBI that Kraft was under some huge investigation and was going to be raided sooner rather than later.

Reddit would call bullshit on that. And yet, this was the first thing I thought when my friend pinged me about this today.
 

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Yup. Guy said he got a text … from someone who said he had a brother in FL ... who had a wealthy friend or client ... who was told by someone in the FBI that Kraft was under some huge investigation and was going to be raided sooner rather than later.

Reddit would call bullshit on that. And yet, this was the first thing I thought when my friend pinged me about this today.
There was a post the night before the Kraft story broke posted in the Reddit Conspiracy forum that an NFL owner was about to be busted in a story linked to sex trafficking.
 

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Anyone interested in a little schadenfreude needs to run-don't-walk to the Showtime Anytime app and watch the two most recent episodes of the gambling docu-series ACTION. If you have time only for one, watch the most recent, which follows "professional gamblers," the majority of which get killed on their AFCCG and Super Bowl picks. Interesting look inside, and also fun/satisfying to watch - like those YouTube fan videos of super bowl parties watching the Butler INT, but an hour long. Worth a watch.

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Poor Bart Scott
"We were on the sidelines. It's the AFC championship," he said. "Me, [Bill] Cowher and Tony [Gonzalez] are sitting there chopping it up because this is me and Tony's first AFC championship -- we're not in the studio, we're on the set and it's cool, it's loud. It's the AFC championship. [Belichick] walks up, shakes Tony's hand, speaks to Tony. Speaks to Bill [Cowher].

"I'm literally standing, we're almost shoulder-to-shoulder. He says absolutely nothing to me. He doesn't even look at me. And at that point I'm like look, 'Bro, now you being an a--hole. It's fine you being an a--hole over there, but you came over to us.'
The best part of the article is they aren't sure which AFCC game it was, lol.
 

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I remember (though Google doesn't back me up) a play - by Congreve, maybe? - in which a townsperson remarks that everyone in the town thought well of one of the characters - to which the wise uncle says something like "that means he has bowed as low to fools and knaves as wise and honest men."

If you look up "fool and knave" on nfl.com, wouldn't you be likely to find a picture of Bart Scott?

Point Belichick (again)
 

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Anyone interested in a little schadenfreude needs to run-don't-walk to the Showtime Anytime app and watch the two most recent episodes of the gambling docu-series ACTION. If you have time only for one, watch the most recent, which follows "professional gamblers," the majority of which get killed on their AFCCG and Super Bowl picks. Interesting look inside, and also fun/satisfying to watch - like those YouTube fan videos of super bowl parties watching the Butler INT, but an hour long. Worth a watch.

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It was incredible to watch Vegas Dave go down in flames, due to his hatred of the Patriots. The schadenfreude was amazing.

The teaser bet in the AFC Championship game was absolutely, positively one of the worst possible beats a gambler could have. 15 things had to happen for the +4 to not cover. I really should have ended with either the Chiefs up 4 or the Pats up 3. And it couldn't have happened to a bigger douche. Vegas Dave sucks, so hard. The producers obviously had a massive amount of disdain for Vegas Dave. They made him look so stupid, so many times, not that they needed help but they really piled on.
 

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Anyone interested in a little schadenfreude needs to run-don't-walk to the Showtime Anytime app and watch the two most recent episodes of the gambling docu-series ACTION. If you have time only for one, watch the most recent, which follows "professional gamblers," the majority of which get killed on their AFCCG and Super Bowl picks. Interesting look inside, and also fun/satisfying to watch - like those YouTube fan videos of super bowl parties watching the Butler INT, but an hour long. Worth a watch.

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Oh. My. God. Thanks to my fellow Mugsy.

Just finished Episode #4 which was the greatest hour I’ve enjoyed since Goodell handed over the Lombardi. All the characters who earned the most contempt (Vegas Dave, Kelly, Halpern) during the season got curb-stomped despite their high-level research and analysis (e.g. “I don’t know, I just think it’s time the Patriots lose one.”). Meantime, the two most humble guys on the show (Dave W. and Krack) cash some modest winners with the Pats. Believe me, the joy of the schadenfreude vastly outweighs any sympathy for the winners.

Highly recommended.
 

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My wife was watching Blacklist the other night while I was working on something in the other room. One of the characters was imploring their coworkers to do better and shouted “do your job!” Of course I repeated the charge with a “do your job!” from the other room.

I swear I could hear my wife rolling her eyes above the sound of her whining that nobody likes my dumb team.
 

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Oh. My. God. Thanks to my fellow Mugsy.

Just finished Episode #4 which was the greatest hour I’ve enjoyed since Goodell handed over the Lombardi. All the characters who earned the most contempt (Vegas Dave, Kelly, Halpern) during the season got curb-stomped despite their high-level research and analysis (e.g. “I don’t know, I just think it’s time the Patriots lose one.”). Meantime, the two most humble guys on the show (Dave W. and Krack) cash some modest winners with the Pats. Believe me, the joy of the schadenfreude vastly outweighs any sympathy for the winners.

Highly recommended.

Finally watched this last night---that Vegas Dave guy. Man, he just seems lonely. I'll give him credit because he definitely is correct that he did make that money, but man...he's odd. He watched the Divisional Round alone, he had one dude over for the AFC title game, and watched the Super Bowl with his parents.
 

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I'm sure that next time the Patriots play the members of /r/NFL, it'll be used as such.
 
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This has more to do with Boston as a whole than the Patriots but before the Celtics were eliminated we had a pretty reasonable chance to bring home all four major championships this year. With the Bruins one game from the cup, there is a very solid chance to make it 3 of 4. That is amazing.... And all my friends hate me a bit more every time I Bring it up.
 

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This has more to do with Boston as a whole than the Patriots but before the Celtics were eliminated we had a pretty reasonable chance to bring home all four major championships this year. With the Bruins one game from the cup, there is a very solid chance to make it 3 of 4. That is amazing.... And all my friends hate me a bit more every time I Bring it up.
And the Celtics had great odds to win the Championship before the seasons began.

Patriots 5-1 May 2018
Celtics were 5-1 in Oct '18
Red Sox were 10-1 in November 2017
Bruins 10-1 in June '18
 

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This has more to do with Boston as a whole than the Patriots but before the Celtics were eliminated we had a pretty reasonable chance to bring home all four major championships this year. With the Bruins one game from the cup, there is a very solid chance to make it 3 of 4. That is amazing.... And all my friends hate me a bit more every time I Bring it up.
The Bruins are 5 games from the Cup.
 

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And the Celtics had great odds to win the Championship before the seasons began.

Patriots 5-1 May 2018
Celtics were 5-1 in Oct '18
Red Sox were 10-1 in November 2017
Bruins 10-1 in June '18
So would the odds of all 4 happening be 2500-1?
 

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So would the odds of all 4 happening be 2500-1?
No, the odds of all 4 happening would be 4355-1. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out why this is. As a hint, consider what 1-1 odds mean.

BTW, the probability of at least 3-out-of-4 happening, according to the stated odds listed above, are 31/4356 = 0.0071, or 4325-31 if stated as odds (or about 140-1).
 
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Carolina native Todd Gurley cranks up the siren or something for the Hurricanes tonight, begging the question, Is he available to throw out the first pitch for the Red Sox sometime soon?

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At the end of the bruins game they mentioned that the last city to get three in a single year was Detroit in the 1930's.

Also, I just meant one game from the finals. :) either way though, four games now!
 

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At the end of the bruins game they mentioned that the last city to get three in a single year was Detroit in the 1930's.

Also, I just meant one game from the finals. :) either way though, four games now!
In 1934, there were 45 professional sports teams (MLB, NFL, NHL, current NBA) in America.

There are 123 teams today.

1934 was the last time one city won THREE championships in the same sports year.

Just sayin’.

#ItsCalledBruins
 

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In 1934, there were 45 professional sports teams (MLB, NFL, NHL, current NBA) in America.

There are 123 teams today.

1934 was the last time one city won THREE championships in the same sports year.

Just sayin’.

#ItsCalledBruins
I'm seeing sources calling the Jets/Knicks/Mets, but those weren't all in the same year. The Jets were in January 1969, the Mets were in October 1969, and the Knicks were in May 1970. This only counts if you view the Knicks as "1969-70" but that's BS, because then the Jets would be "1968."

Edit: Expand to MLS or WNBA gets you LA in 2002 - Lakers/Angels plus another either of Galaxy or Sparks
 

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I'm seeing sources calling the Jets/Knicks/Mets, but those weren't all in the same year. The Jets were in January 1969, the Mets were in October 1969, and the Knicks were in May 1970. This only counts if you view the Knicks as "1969-70" but that's BS, because then the Jets would be "1968."

Edit: Expand to MLS or WNBA gets you LA in 2002 - Lakers/Angels plus another either of Galaxy or Sparks
When the Knicks won, the Chiefs were the most recent Super Bowl Champs. So an obvious “no”.


And no disrespect to the athletes in MLS or WNBA but no, they don’t count.
 

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I'm seeing sources calling the Jets/Knicks/Mets, but those weren't all in the same year. The Jets were in January 1969, the Mets were in October 1969, and the Knicks were in May 1970. This only counts if you view the Knicks as "1969-70" but that's BS, because then the Jets would be "1968."

Edit: Expand to MLS or WNBA gets you LA in 2002 - Lakers/Angels plus another either of Galaxy or Sparks
I see it like title belt holders. Who is currently holding the championship belt? As of this moment it's:

NHL: Washington (championship won in June 2018)
NBA: Golden State (championship won in June 2018)
MLB: Boston (championship won in Oct 2018)
NFL: New England (championship won in Feb 2019)

So if the Bruins win, they'll be wearing the championship belt in three of the four major sports.
 
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I'm seeing sources calling the Jets/Knicks/Mets, but those weren't all in the same year. The Jets were in January 1969, the Mets were in October 1969, and the Knicks were in May 1970. This only counts if you view the Knicks as "1969-70" but that's BS, because then the Jets would be "1968."

Edit: Expand to MLS or WNBA gets you LA in 2002 - Lakers/Angels plus another either of Galaxy or Sparks
While that is still a great year, I don't see it as the same thing. I always assumed it was based on what year the season started. For example, we already have two instances where we won two championships. 2004 (even though the pats technically won in 05) and 2013 (again pats actually winning in 14)... I suppose the 04 season we can do it both ways because the pats technically won in 04 too.... I'm so happy I was born in Massachusetts..
 

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While that is still a great year, I don't see it as the same thing. I always assumed it was based on what year the season started. For example, we already have two instances where we won two championships. 2004 (even though the pats technically won in 05) and 2013 (again pats actually winning in 14)... I suppose the 04 season we can do it both ways because the pats technically won in 04 too.... I'm so happy I was born in Massachusetts..
2013 doesn't count, the Pats didn't win until the 2014 season so February 2015
 

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Whoops. You're right. 04 and this past year are the two.
Red Sox in 07 & Celtics in 07-08 is the 3rd.

And if you really want to stretch, the Red Sox won in 04 while the 03 Pats were reigning champs and the 04 Pats won while the 04 Sox were reigning champs, making a total of 4 times.
 

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Well, since this is about the nations tears and Boston teams winning around 15% of all major sports championships this millenium, I looked at the longest droughts of cities (areas) with at least one team in all 4 sports. I hope I didn't miss anything, but the sweetest tears should be found in Minnesota, followed by Phoenix and Detroit. But NYC did make the Top 5 as well...

1. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 28 years
2. Phoenix - 18 years
3. Detroit - 11 years
4. Dallas - 8 years
5. New York - 7 years
6. Miami - 6 years
7. Los Angeles - 5 years
8. Denver - 3 years
9. Chicago - 2.5 years
10. Philadelphia - 15 months
11. Washington - 11 months
12. San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose - 11 month
13. Boston - 3 months
 

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Not sure if this is better here or in the Celebrating what is is thread (or a C's thread) but a quirky bit I just heard on the radio.
Celtics were eliminated after the Bruins last year so...
The Celtics have been eliminated from the playoffs twice since any other Boston team has been eliminated from the playoffs
 

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Well, since this is about the nations tears and Boston teams winning around 15% of all major sports championships this millenium, I looked at the longest droughts of cities (areas) with at least one team in all 4 sports. I hope I didn't miss anything, but the sweetest tears should be found in Minnesota, followed by Phoenix and Detroit. But NYC did make the Top 5 as well...

1. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 28 years
2. Phoenix - 18 years
3. Detroit - 11 years
4. Dallas - 8 years
5. New York - 7 years
6. Miami - 6 years
7. Los Angeles - 5 years
8. Denver - 3 years
9. Chicago - 2.5 years
10. Philadelphia - 15 months
11. Washington - 11 months
12. San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose - 11 month
13. Boston - 3 months
Only the Yankees have a chance of breaking this NY drought anytime soon.
 

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I'm seeing sources calling the Jets/Knicks/Mets, but those weren't all in the same year. The Jets were in January 1969, the Mets were in October 1969, and the Knicks were in May 1970. This only counts if you view the Knicks as "1969-70" but that's BS, because then the Jets would be "1968."

Edit: Expand to MLS or WNBA gets you LA in 2002 - Lakers/Angels plus another either of Galaxy or Sparks
What are the thoughts here about the particular case of 1979-80 Pittsburgh? This is a weird one but it (barely) works in a roundabout way within a calendar year/365 days:

-Steelers win Super Bowl XIII 35-31, January 21st, 1979.
-Pirates win Game 7 of the World Series against Baltimore, October 17th, 1979.
-Steelers win Super Bowl XIV, 31-19, January 20th, 1980.

Personally, this is it for me. Especially since the latter Super Bowl was against the LA Rams, to strike further parallels.
 

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What are the thoughts here about the particular case of 1979-80 Pittsburgh? This is a weird one but it (barely) works in a roundabout way within a calendar year/365 days:

-Steelers win Super Bowl XIII 35-31, January 21st, 1979.
-Pirates win Game 7 of the World Series against Baltimore, October 17th, 1979.
-Steelers win Super Bowl XIV, 31-19, January 20th, 1980.

Personally, this is it for me. Especially since the latter Super Bowl was against the LA Rams, to strike further parallels.
Same team winning twice in that span, not 3 teams.

Apples and oranges.
 
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Well, since this is about the nations tears and Boston teams winning around 15% of all major sports championships this millenium, I looked at the longest droughts of cities (areas) with at least one team in all 4 sports. I hope I didn't miss anything, but the sweetest tears should be found in Minnesota, followed by Phoenix and Detroit. But NYC did make the Top 5 as well...

1. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 28 years
2. Phoenix - 18 years
3. Detroit - 11 years
4. Dallas - 8 years
5. New York - 7 years
6. Miami - 6 years
7. Los Angeles - 5 years
8. Denver - 3 years
9. Chicago - 2.5 years
10. Philadelphia - 15 months
11. Washington - 11 months
12. San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose - 11 month
13. Boston - 3 months
Some of these droughts are even worse than the look, since some cities have significantly more teams than four.
 

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Some of these droughts are even worse than the look, since some cities have significantly more teams than four.
Yeah, I thought about including that by making it a ranking of "missed chances" where each championship game / series counts twice if you have 2 teams. Then I thought about relocations and lockouts and gave up on that thought...
 
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Yeah, I thought about including that by making it a ranking of "missed chances" where each championship game / series counts twice if you have 2 teams. Then I thought about relocations and lockouts and gave up on that thought...
I tried to make the adjustment by multiplying time by the number of teams a city actually has divided by four and got a pretty reasonable adjustment but charts don't paste well. Also, there really isn't much difference. New York and LA are the big movers jumping to 3rd and 5th with 14 and 8.75 adjusted year droughts, respectively.
 

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What are the thoughts here about the particular case of 1979-80 Pittsburgh? This is a weird one but it (barely) works in a roundabout way within a calendar year/365 days:

-Steelers win Super Bowl XIII 35-31, January 21st, 1979.
-Pirates win Game 7 of the World Series against Baltimore, October 17th, 1979.
-Steelers win Super Bowl XIV, 31-19, January 20th, 1980.

Personally, this is it for me. Especially since the latter Super Bowl was against the LA Rams, to strike further parallels.
I'm with @loshjott . This isn't the same thing. Other possibilities for this version:
Lakers in 1988 & 1989, 2nd ended before 1st in the calendar, Dodgers in 1988
NJ/NY - Yankees in 1999/2000, Devils in 2000
 

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What are the thoughts here about the particular case of 1979-80 Pittsburgh? This is a weird one but it (barely) works in a roundabout way within a calendar year/365 days:

-Steelers win Super Bowl XIII 35-31, January 21st, 1979.
-Pirates win Game 7 of the World Series against Baltimore, October 17th, 1979.
-Steelers win Super Bowl XIV, 31-19, January 20th, 1980.

Personally, this is it for me. Especially since the latter Super Bowl was against the LA Rams, to strike further parallels.
Right after this happened the Penguins decided to change their uniforms from blue & white to black & gold to honor the Steelers & Pirates. Didn't know this but the Bruins weren't happy.

The Penguins began the 1980s by changing their team colors; in January 1980, the team switched from wearing blue and white to their present-day scheme of black and gold to honor Pittsburgh's other sports teams, the Pirates and the Steelers, as well as the Flag of Pittsburgh. Both the Pirates and Steelers had worn black and gold for decades, and both were fresh off world championship seasons at that time. The Bruins protested this color change, claiming a monopoly on black and gold, but the Penguins defended their choice by stating that the NHL Pirates also used black and gold as their team colors and that black and gold were Pittsburgh's traditional sporting colors. The NHL agreed and Pittsburgh was allowed to use black and gold. The Penguins officially debuted wearing black and gold against the St. Louis Blues at the Civic Arena on January 30, 1980.[9] On the ice, the Penguins began the 1980s with defenseman Randy Carlyle, and prolific scorers Paul Gardner and Mike Bullard, but little else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Penguins
 

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Well, since this is about the nations tears and Boston teams winning around 15% of all major sports championships this millenium, I looked at the longest droughts of cities (areas) with at least one team in all 4 sports. I hope I didn't miss anything, but the sweetest tears should be found in Minnesota, followed by Phoenix and Detroit. But NYC did make the Top 5 as well...

1. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 28 years
2. Phoenix - 18 years
3. Detroit - 11 years
4. Dallas - 8 years
5. New York - 7 years
6. Miami - 6 years
7. Los Angeles - 5 years
8. Denver - 3 years
9. Chicago - 2.5 years
10. Philadelphia - 15 months
11. Washington - 11 months
12. San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose - 11 month
13. Boston - 3 months

You could create team-years multiply the years by the number of teams the city/area has in the 4 major sports so NY is 63 team-years without a championship (2 MLB, 2 NBA, 2 NFL and 3 NHL) , Minneapolis is 112, Miami is 24, LA is 40, Boston is 1
 

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You could create team-years multiply the years by the number of teams the city/area has in the 4 major sports so NY is 63 team-years without a championship (2 MLB, 2 NBA, 2 NFL and 3 NHL) , Minneapolis is 112, Miami is 24, LA is 40, Boston is 1
This does not compute. Boston is either 0 (Sox and Pats the current title holders) or a lot more than 1, seeing as though the Celtics haven’t won it all since 2008 and the Bruins since 2011.
 

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This does not compute. Boston is either 0 (Sox and Pats the current title holders) or a lot more than 1, seeing as though the Celtics haven’t won it all since 2008 and the Bruins since 2011.
Three months since the last title, multiplied by four teams = 1 team-year (approximately)