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Greatness.
The Nation's Tears: Volume II
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Carter: Why is it frustrating for YOU?
Greatness.
Blandino on NFL radio today. Paraphrasing.
Three of Jags' penalties were at the line. Obvious. No discretion or judgment. One was a personal foul, and it was clear.
So, you're talking about two PI calls. Blandino thought one was clear and one was "50/50." Tough line between defender holding position and impeding. I think someone -- maybe Blandino maybe one of the studio guys -- mentioned that no looking for the ball makes it easier for the offensive player to sell a foul.
Interesting discussion on the Jack being down -- Blandino said it was bang/bang, often called down. He didn't get into any type of rules analysis. Bruce Murray asked whether the presumption should be to let the play play out, since once you blow the whistle it's over. Blandino said it's a balance -- you want officiating that permits replay to do its job but you also have to train officials to call what they see and not be tentative because of reply and fail to call what they see. (He didn't say this, but I think he might also have been sort of implying that because the call on the field gets deference on review you can't just let every play get run.)
Three of Jags' penalties were at the line. Obvious. No discretion or judgment. One was a personal foul, and it was clear.
So, you're talking about two PI calls. Blandino thought one was clear and one was "50/50." Tough line between defender holding position and impeding. I think someone -- maybe Blandino maybe one of the studio guys -- mentioned that no looking for the ball makes it easier for the offensive player to sell a foul.
Interesting discussion on the Jack being down -- Blandino said it was bang/bang, often called down. He didn't get into any type of rules analysis. Bruce Murray asked whether the presumption should be to let the play play out, since once you blow the whistle it's over. Blandino said it's a balance -- you want officiating that permits replay to do its job but you also have to train officials to call what they see and not be tentative because of reply and fail to call what they see. (He didn't say this, but I think he might also have been sort of implying that because the call on the field gets deference on review you can't just let every play get run.)
Tieing in two thoughts (bolded) re the Bouye/ Cooks PI call, 1) the play happened directly in front of the ref. He saw the play clearly and there was no hesitation as he reaches for his flag immediately when he saw Bouye push Cooks OOB. He called what he saw.
A guy on the Cowherd show was crying that the Patriots only got one penalty, and said come on, nobody plays a perfect game. Cowherd was like, what did you want them to call, and the guy said, holding - they could call holding all the time.
Cowherd's response: Jacksonville wasn't called for any holding penalties either.
That shut the guy up pretty good.
DDB is right. The three penalties at the line - easy, objective, indisputable. That leaves the two PI calls and the one helmet-to-helmet.
No way the helmet-to-helmet couldn't be called. Not only was it clear as day, it knocked Gronk out of the game. Easy call. Whether it was INTENTIONAL or not...that's hard to determine, IMO. But whether it was a PENALTY was super duper easy.
For the PI calls, one was super duper easy as well. The CB grabbed Cooks around the neck and pulled while the ball was in the air.
So all of this whining about penalties comes down to that one PI penalty at the end of the first half, and maybe one that didn't get called against NE late in the game on a 3rd down incompletion.
That's it. That's the entirety of what this whining could POSSIBLY be about.
Of course nobody in the media is talking about Jack's smacking Lewis in the face early in the game, or throwing White to the ground on his TD that made it 14-10. Not only did he throw White to the ground WELL after he scored a TD, he also smacked him in the face afterward. It happened right in front of the refs who didn't throw a flag at all.
The PI at the end of the first half was, IMO, pretty obvious. The CB rode Cooks out of bounds with his hands, pushing him for about 15 yards while the ball was in the air. Good defense is using your body to angle the receiver out of bounds. That's NOT what Bouye did at all. He used his hands to push Cooks out and keep him out. I thought that was a pretty easy call for the ref.
Cowherd's response: Jacksonville wasn't called for any holding penalties either.
That shut the guy up pretty good.
DDB is right. The three penalties at the line - easy, objective, indisputable. That leaves the two PI calls and the one helmet-to-helmet.
No way the helmet-to-helmet couldn't be called. Not only was it clear as day, it knocked Gronk out of the game. Easy call. Whether it was INTENTIONAL or not...that's hard to determine, IMO. But whether it was a PENALTY was super duper easy.
For the PI calls, one was super duper easy as well. The CB grabbed Cooks around the neck and pulled while the ball was in the air.
So all of this whining about penalties comes down to that one PI penalty at the end of the first half, and maybe one that didn't get called against NE late in the game on a 3rd down incompletion.
That's it. That's the entirety of what this whining could POSSIBLY be about.
Of course nobody in the media is talking about Jack's smacking Lewis in the face early in the game, or throwing White to the ground on his TD that made it 14-10. Not only did he throw White to the ground WELL after he scored a TD, he also smacked him in the face afterward. It happened right in front of the refs who didn't throw a flag at all.
The PI at the end of the first half was, IMO, pretty obvious. The CB rode Cooks out of bounds with his hands, pushing him for about 15 yards while the ball was in the air. Good defense is using your body to angle the receiver out of bounds. That's NOT what Bouye did at all. He used his hands to push Cooks out and keep him out. I thought that was a pretty easy call for the ref.
The officials all have their own tendencies, regardless of crew. Some back judges throw more PI than others, etc. Some umpires are more flag happy on holding calls than others. That sort of thing. I’m not sure Ernie has a complex formula or anything like that to determine optimal game plans with officials factored in, but I’d be stunned if the team (or any team, really) didn’t have a scouting report on each official in the league. It is useful information to have.
As Cris Carter says in one of the other clips...it's okay with Bouye's left hand on Cooks, because they're doing it to each other. When his right hand pushes him in the shoulder and forces him OOB the defense gains a clear advantage. That's a penalty.
Pause that clip at 37 seconds and Bouye has 2 hands on Cooks and is not looking for the ball.
I understand the nation's desire to "see someone else" in the Super Bowl. But how quickly they forget that the 7 Super Bowls the Pats have been in within this run have to all be in the Top 15 Super Bowls from an entertainment stance. I started watching from late the late 1970s and feel they make that cut. Hell, most of the Pats Super Bowls are in the top ten and some are even top 5. You may hate them but these games are all fun to watch.
Careful what you wish for, Nation, or we'll give you back your Tampa Bay 48 - Raiders 21 kind of game that is boring as shit.
Careful what you wish for, Nation, or we'll give you back your Tampa Bay 48 - Raiders 21 kind of game that is boring as shit.
Very true. There have been a lot of unwatchable Super Bowls. All of the Cowboys ones from the 90s, the Broncos getting thrashed repeatedly in the 80s, Giants-Ravens, Bucs-Raiders, etc.
Looks like there have been 19 one-score Super Bowls and 7 of those are the B-B Patriots.
I remember SB XI (Raiders 32 Vikings 14) was so boring my brother and I switched the channel for awhile and watched some movie about a singing milkman.
Pats v. Bears game was worst lost ever.
Until the following year.
And I think the year after, and maybe two years later too. Something like that.
There were a lot of in-entertains games.
Pretty much every Super Bowl from the mid 1980's starting in 1984 to the mid 1990's was a blowout expect for Super Bowls 23 and 25 which came down to the final minute.
The late ‘90s weren’t much better. ‘96 (which started off fun and then ugggghhhhhh), ‘98, and ‘00 were all bad games. I’m still pissed at those ‘98 Vikings for losing and robbing us of a Broncos-Vikes Super Bowl that year, which would have been epic.
That’s part of what made the commercials so great.
Even all these years later I still remember so vividly going to Super Bowl parties as a kid and eating snacks and watching the spectacle and wondering what it would be like to have the whole country watch the Patriots win, just one time. Seemed so far fetched.
That’s part of what made the commercials so great.
Even all these years later I still remember so vividly going to Super Bowl parties as a kid and eating snacks and watching the spectacle and wondering what it would be like to have the whole country watch the Patriots win, just one time. Seemed so far fetched.
Giants-Ravens had those 3 TDs in one minute. Maybe I just have a soft spot for it because it was the first Super Bowl I watched.
I’ll admit the back-to-back kickoff return TDs were fun. But watching Kerry Collins disintegrate for 4 quarters wasn’t all that entertaining.
There has been an almost unprecedented run of games being competitive at least into the 4th quarter since 2001, with the exception of the blowouts in 37 and 48. Even somewhat dull games like Colts/Bears and Steelers/Seahawks were within one score as the 4th began.
Colts/Bears was surprisingly compelling for most of the game. The result was not compelling, however.
Either you started watching football later in life or you're not nearly as old as I thought you were!
This. You can tell by where the ref moved the flag to mark the foul that the ref thought the second hand on Cooks was a sign of the foul. It also makes intuitive sense - ref sees one hand on the offensive player and he's more inclined to let it slide. Once that second hand goes on, he better be playing the ball at that point. It's close because Bouye turns his head shortly after making contact with his second hand, but the ref clearly had his cues and made the call.
Thanks for that -- I had wondered slightly why the ref moved the flag; now it is clear.
New York Times - Frank Bruni
The Existential Hell of This Year’s Super Bowl
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/opinion/patriots-super-bowl.html?smid=fb-share
The Existential Hell of This Year’s Super Bowl
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/opinion/patriots-super-bowl.html?smid=fb-share
It amazes me that so many are unable compartmentalize sports and politics. Sports are supposed to be an escape.
The number of anti-Patriot story lines is staggering...they cheat, the NFL/refs want them to win, they're Trump supporters, Brady/BB/Kraft are all egomaniacs who hate each other now, they only had to beat tomato cans this year, etc, etc. When you step back it really is incredible.
It's pretty rich to whine (with as many one-dollar words and metaphors as possible) about the Patriots' success representing income inequality, when they play in a league with a hard salary cap. For all his over-education, Bruni hasn't read Harrison Bergeron?
I'm sure Bruni would be singing a different tune if the Giants were in the Super Bowl. Those poor, scrappy Maras, just scraping to get by with the only the love of the game to sustain them.
So disappointing. The only part of that article that wasn't a complete WOFTAM (waste of effing time and money) was the comments section, where so many people had strong words for Bruni about conflating football and politics, or implying that football is unfair. Good read.
I thought James Brown had a great reaction to the B.S.
My favorite clip of the show was the two Eagles fans in the crowd from the Vikings game where the guy starts to celebrate and elbows the woman next to him in the jaw.
He's not going to watch the Superbowl because he dislikes someone not even tangentially involved with either team. Good to know.
I was wrong about it being the first one I watched, I had watched the Rams win the season before.
My family never watched football when I was growing up in Maine, college was too busy and in a bubble (I was in Pittsburgh and didn't even know the Steelers were in the Super Bowl until after the game in 1996), and my first job after college was in South America.
It wasn't until I moved to the DC area and football was the only thing people talked about on Mondays during the season that I ever watched a full NFL game. When the Pats didn't get a national broadcast I ended up watching Washington and Baltimore (local broadcasts) a lot while coming up to speed on the sport c. 1999-2001.
Regarding the Frank Bruni article I posted up thread. I've had to deal with these New Jersey New York boneheads all my life. Most of my immediate relatives are Giants, Jets or Yankee fans. Luckily I was born in Florida and my parents brought me to Massachusetts in fourth grade. I have had the great pleasure of rooting for the Celtics, Bruins, Red Sox and Patriots all of my life. Thank God.
Then you probably remember the Ravens’ TD drought in 2000 that lasted 5 consecutive games. No TDs on offense. Record during that span — 2 and 3. Talk about a skewed perspective on this game.
I can’t stand Drumpf either but that’s not gonna stop me from watching the Pats crush Philly.
Yep. And it seemed like every other game the offense would turn over the ball deep in their own territory and the defense would proceed to sack the opposition backward out of FG range.
One dollar words? Do you mean ten dollar words?
Anyway, yeah that's brutally self righteous. No one gives a shit dude, don't watch the game. Nobody cares what you'll be doing next Sunday.
Edit: and sorry, not trying to be a wiseass, I’ve just honestly never heard that before.
You guys need a better sense of humor. How can you not laugh at this?
Shockingly, they’re Trump’s team. This makes no geographic sense: The ZIP codes of his primary castles recommend allegiance to the New York Giants, the New York Jets or maybe the Miami Dolphins.
But those National Football League franchises have reliable losing streaks, and Trump won’t suffer that. Also, when he looks at the Patriots’ glamour-puss quarterback, Tom Brady, he sees a younger, less quizzically coifed version of himself, complete with a foreign-born model for a wife. Trust me on this. He just squints extra hard, sucks in his gut and begs Melania to answer to “Gisele” for a while.
But those National Football League franchises have reliable losing streaks, and Trump won’t suffer that. Also, when he looks at the Patriots’ glamour-puss quarterback, Tom Brady, he sees a younger, less quizzically coifed version of himself, complete with a foreign-born model for a wife. Trust me on this. He just squints extra hard, sucks in his gut and begs Melania to answer to “Gisele” for a while.
Pats-Seahawks game on NFL Network at 9 pm.
Also, if you're bored in the lead up and you want to see what football looks like with actual biased refs, find a way to watch Friday Night Tykes, Season 4, Episode 8 (it's on Netflix). Probably the most blatant thing I've ever seen on a field--and it was done to 12 year olds.
Also, if you're bored in the lead up and you want to see what football looks like with actual biased refs, find a way to watch Friday Night Tykes, Season 4, Episode 8 (it's on Netflix). Probably the most blatant thing I've ever seen on a field--and it was done to 12 year olds.
This video from NFL Network's Turning Point has some good angles. I think it is really at 1:14 where the defensive PI is called. Bouye has both arms wrapped around Cooks and isn't looking for the ball. Seems pretty clear to me.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-turning-point/0ap3000000910263/Patriots-take-advantage-of-Jags-defensive-miscues-NFL-Turning-Point
"They shamelessly hoard glory."
What, we're supposed to share? Are we supposed to call the Jets and say, 'hey, we're not using a few of the Lombardi's this weekend, want to have a parade or something with them?'
What a crock of shit.
Speaking of movies, any guesses on what the inspirational film BB will show the team in the days before the game?
My guess: Eastwood's latest, "The 15:17 to Paris"
Fortunately, it's from an objective source like the NYT, and they know how altruistic the MFY fanbase got from 1995 to 2003.
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