The Nation's Tears: Volume II

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This clickbait slide show (pretty much the worst kind of Internet content) is one writer's take on each NFL team's worst playoff loss:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/photos/each-nfl-teams-most-soul-crushing-playoff-loss/

The interesting part is if you sum up which team is on the winning side of these soul-crushing losses. The most hated according to this metric? -- the Patriots crushing 6 of the 32 teams' hopes with their worst playoff losses in franchise history (again, according to one person's judgment).

Can you guess which other teams would be "most hated" according to this (somewhat arbitrary) metric?

Denver with 4 hate-inspiring wins, Baltimore with 3 soul crushers, Rams, Green Bay, and Seattle with two each...

Extra credit if you can name the six teams NEP crushed without clicking into the ad-infested slideshow.
I don't understand the Eagles losing the NFC Championship as more soul crushing than losing to the Pats in the Super Bowl.

Also, could argue that the Panthers worst lost was XXXVIII since they only lost by 3, as opposed to 50 where they lost by multiple scores.

Also the Steelers - the 2001 AFCCG was soul crushing, moreso than losing on the road to Tebow. Ditto the 2004 AFCCG in Pittsburgh.

So you get up to 9, easily.
 

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I don't understand the Eagles losing the NFC Championship as more soul crushing than losing to the Pats in the Super Bowl.

Also, could argue that the Panthers worst lost was XXXVIII since they only lost by 3, as opposed to 50 where they lost by multiple scores.

Also the Steelers - the 2001 AFCCG was soul crushing, moreso than losing on the road to Tebow. Ditto the 2004 AFCCG in Pittsburgh.

So you get up to 9, easily.
2001 Steelers loss to the Patriots was easily worse than 2004. They were 10 point favorites in the AFC title game.
 

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I seem to recall this a year or so ago. If it's been updated, my guess (without looking):

Seattle, Atlanta, Rams, Dolphins (1986 AFCCG), Carolina - and one of the PA teams. I'll go with Pittsburgh rather than Philly.
 

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According to the author's take it was Atl, Bal, Rams, LAC, Oak, Sea

Despite the subjective and flawed nature of the analysis-- it's good to be hated!
 

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According to the author's take it was Atl, Bal, Rams, LAC, Oak, Sea

Despite the subjective and flawed nature of the analysis-- it's a good reason to be hated!
Duh, how could I forget Oakland and the Chargers. And I guess Balt makes sense also. I would definitely include Carolina and Miami. That AFCCG in the Orange Bowl is what unhinged Shula against the Pats.
 

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I have a bit of a tough time with Oak and Bal on the list. maybe I define "soul crushing" a bit differently but Oakland was in the Super Bowl the following year and Baltimore won the Super Bowl the following year. Those teams picked themselves right back up, souls un-crushed
 

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As many have mentioned recently, I am thoroughly enjoying the longing wishes for BB to coach their teams then feeling dirty and let down as it appears to have fallen through. I'm sure more than a few have enjoyed misspelling Belichick too.
 

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Also, apparently we have Ernie's Heir:
Patriots won't say what Sean Harrington does; meet 'genius' who rejected Google for New England's scouting department
Belichick was also searching for an infusion of knowledge within his player personnel staff.

Shane Waldron, who worked five years in New England and spent the 2009 season as the tight ends coach, heard from within
the organization that the Patriots desired a computer science whiz with an extensive football background.
Waldron, a Tufts University alum, contacted Jay Civetti, the Jumbos' football coach. Civetti returned with an immediate answer.

Yes, he knew a guy: Sean Harrington, class of 2014, fiery outside linebacker and creator of a software designed to alter the way football coaches at all levels approach their jobs.

This was perfect. Harrington grew up north of Boston, starred as a quarterback at Chelmsford High School, and once dominated a regional 7-on-7 tournament at Gillette Stadium, leading his squad to nationals.

Of course he'd want to work for the Patriots.

Except the Pats faced some unlikely competition.

Google had just offered Harrington a job, too.
 

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I guessed wrong with thinking Panthers and Colts. Did not see the Chargers coming.
Yeah I thought the Jets were going to be the team listed for the Chargers, either in 2005 (with Nate Kaeding's missed chipshot in overtime) or 2010 (losing at home to Sanchez and Co. to snap an 11-game winning streak).
 

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Thanks for posting that - it's a well-researched article!
It is, and the idea that the team might have a digitized, computer-supported tool to quickly analyze and diagram opponent plays is so easy to imagine the Patriots pursuing.

For 'they cheat!!!!' responses, worth noting this article: "they know what's coming, they must be cheating" may in fact be "they know what's coming because they created a computer tool to better assess game film"
 

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Great article. That's some good sports journalism, especially because, buried deep down, is a hypothesis that makes a subtle bid to answer the article's question...

Here's how it started: As a junior, Harrington watched his coaches spend substantial time each week diagramming the nuances of game film — "inputting data and taking down and distances and then putting it into our program and connecting it to the video," said Civetti. The whole process took upwards of 16 hours, Harrington estimated. He believed there must be a more efficient way.

So Harrington, a 6-foot-3, 220-pound strongside linebacker and one of the best all-around athletes on the Tufts roster, got cranking on an idea: a software that could identify and track players, and thus automatically record their alignment (the formation) and their movement (routes, coverages, etc.). The input would be the video; the output a play card.

For example, a post breaking at 7 yards by the 'X' receiver would not need to be dictated. The work would be done entirely by the software, allotting more time for coaches to focus on strategizing rather than collecting and transcribing data.
Computer Vision, as a discipline, is a long way from being reliable enough to have a consistently-accurate model for this stuff. But if Harrington hacks at it long enough, I bet he can start saving coaches a good fraction of the time they spend on this, even if it won't totally replace their oversight.
 

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So Harrington chose the Patriots as an employer rather than become one of 70,000 or so Google employees. Probably a lot more fun job for a guy who loves football.
 

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Great article. That's some good sports journalism, especially because, buried deep down, is a hypothesis that makes a subtle bid to answer the article's question...



Computer Vision, as a discipline, is a long way from being reliable enough to have a consistently-accurate model for this stuff. But if Harrington hacks at it long enough, I bet he can start saving coaches a good fraction of the time they spend on this, even if it won't totally replace their oversight.
I wonder how well this will work though.

Part of what makes the coaches such experts is no writing down new plays and coaching strategies.
What makes them experts is reviewing all of that film in exhaustive detail. The nuances of "yeah he lined up as x or y or z, but did you notice his back foot, left should, that stutter step" or whatever (I'm not a coaching expert so I don't even know what would or wouldn't matter).

It's cool work, no doubt... I trust that someone like BB wouldn't over-rely on something like that, but I bet some other coaches will.
 

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Yeah I thought the Jets were going to be the team listed for the Chargers, either in 2005 (with Nate Kaeding's missed chipshot in overtime) or 2010 (losing at home to Sanchez and Co. to snap an 11-game winning streak).
I disagree. This was a self inflicted wound. McCree simply had to go to the ground, or hell, even just knock the ball down. it was over. Why on Earth he decided to continue returning the ball is baffling. There was nothing to really gain from it. They would either win by 7 or 14, but they would've won any way. You knew that as soon as Brown forced the fumble and the Patriots regained it, the Bolts were cooked. It was fait accompli. That Chargers team was stacked.

Can you even fathom any Patriots defender doing the same thing in that situation?
 

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The thing was, that was the Bolts best team. They were 14-2, and dominant. And the fact that some Pats did the Merriman dance... well that didn't sit well
 

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I wonder how well this will work though.

Part of what makes the coaches such experts is no writing down new plays and coaching strategies.
What makes them experts is reviewing all of that film in exhaustive detail. The nuances of "yeah he lined up as x or y or z, but did you notice his back foot, left should, that stutter step" or whatever (I'm not a coaching expert so I don't even know what would or wouldn't matter).

It's cool work, no doubt... I trust that someone like BB wouldn't over-rely on something like that, but I bet some other coaches will.
My sense is that the value in the software is turning an analog thing (game film) into a searchable database format. So that when a coach (or player) wants to review film of an opponent, you simply enter your search parameters ("run plays" "#34" "3rd down") and get all the pertinent plays. Then the coach or player can devote his time to the film study.
 

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My sense is that the value in the software is turning an analog thing (game film) into a searchable database format. So that when a coach (or player) wants to review film of an opponent, you simply enter your search parameters ("run plays" "#34" "3rd down") and get all the pertinent plays. Then the coach or player can devote his time to the film study.
I think I understand that but I guess I mean, having Google Maps makes it really easy to just find directions to places where you used to have to look at and internalize a map, including lots of extraneous or tangential information.

Like, you used to have to look at the subway map and figure out a little of the system and then choose the route. Now it just hands you the route. So it's easy to not learn how the system is actually put together.

All the studying and categorizing of tape force an up and coming coach to watch tons and tons of tape, and learn what was on that tape. It's not that the databased tape isn't useful...it absolutely is. But that act of reviewing tape is also useful.

It's a really cool development, and one that a smart coach can use well. But I wonder if it would detract elsewhere from the development of some young coach wannabe.

Also: get off my lawn.
 

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Did you guys know that a lot of people filmed themselves watching the end of the super bowl? And then, afterwards, decided they should post the video online?


I know, seems crazy to me too.
 

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Did you guys know that a lot of people filmed themselves watching the end of the super bowl? And then, afterwards, decided they should post the video online?


I know, seems crazy to me too.

If you enjoy these type of things, I think this is the best one I’ve seen:

 
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Did you guys know that a lot of people filmed themselves watching the end of the super bowl? And then, afterwards, decided they should post the video online?


I know, seems crazy to me too.
These things are great, but none of them compares to the slew of videos I STILL WATCH from the Butler super bowl.
 

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Can I just clarify - are you still watching the game itself, or the "stupid human tricks" videos of misery?

My family has taken to mocking how often I rewatch this past Super Bowl, specifically the last 25 minutes or so...

Not saying either behaviour is wrong, by the way.
 

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If you enjoy these type of things, I think this is the best one I’ve seen:
An absolute classic of the genre. IIRC a parallel thread was started in RMPS specifically to post this one, wasn't it? They all look and act like they'd just seen a hostage execution video... of someone they knew.
 

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I’ve always enjoyed the girl in the back left corner. Trying so hard to not burst out laughing on the tying and winning goals. Someone even made her put on a Leafs sweater for OT.
She can be seen taking the sweater off as she walks into the room after Kessel's goal. I can just imagine the bros yelling at her to put it back on as it all slipped away. If you think about it, it was all her fault.
 

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I wonder how well this will work though.

Part of what makes the coaches such experts is no writing down new plays and coaching strategies.
What makes them experts is reviewing all of that film in exhaustive detail. The nuances of "yeah he lined up as x or y or z, but did you notice his back foot, left should, that stutter step" or whatever (I'm not a coaching expert so I don't even know what would or wouldn't matter).

It's cool work, no doubt... I trust that someone like BB wouldn't over-rely on something like that, but I bet some other coaches will.
I think what the software will allow you to do is catalogue the plays, so say you wanted to see all the film where Gronk caught a pass between 7 and 10 yards on 3rd down in the 4rth quarter you could punch it in and bring up the film. The computer algorithm would have done the grunt work of tagging the film, as well as giving you data for analysis.
 

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I think what the software will allow you to do is catalogue the plays, so say you wanted to see all the film where Gronk caught a pass between 7 and 10 yards on 3rd down in the 4rth quarter you could punch it in and bring up the film. The computer algorithm would have done the grunt work of tagging the film, as well as giving you data for analysis.
Right I get that.
That's great for the coach or the OC or whatever.
But how'd that person learn that role? Earlier in their career, weren't they the grunts who were going through endless hours of film work to hand to the coaches? Isn't that how they learn all the nuances, all the chunks and play-memes or whatever?

I'm just trying to keep people off my lawn and all...I'm just saying that, like, if I need a certain wall type on a drawing, I don't want to draw it, I want to pull it out of our library. But I've drawn and revised hundreds of those. For the junior person "just pulling that out of the library" means that they don't ever learn how to draw it.

Lawn: stayed off.
 

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She can be seen taking the sweater off as she walks into the room after Kessel's goal. I can just imagine the bros yelling at her to put it back on as it all slipped away. If you think about it, it was all her fault.
It's all her fault for going to that party. It looks like they have a bag of Lays and an 12 pack of Labatts.
 

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All of Brady’s postseason TDs, rushing and passing. Video is on NFL’s twitter account for app folks.

There’s a few in there that probably wouldn’t be a catch today, especially Patten in SB36.

Edit: Wrong thread. Can a mod move this to the “What Is” thread?
 
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It's all her fault for going to that party. It looks like they have a bag of Lays and an 12 pack of Labatts.
I like the credits in the end. “Fear not Leafs fans, we took the Bs to the limit, have a young and improving team, the future looks awesome!”

Season GP W Losses OTL Pts GF GA Finish Playoffs
2012–13 48 26 17 5 57 145 133 3rd, Northeast Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 3–4 (Bruins)
2013–14 82 38 36 8 84 231 256 6th, Atlantic Did not qualify
2014–15 82 30 44 8 68 211 262 7th, Atlantic Did not qualify
2015–16 82 29 42 11 69 198 246 8th, Atlantic Did not qualify
2016–17 82 40 27 15 95 251 242 4th, Atlantic Lost in First Round, 2–4 (Capitals)
 

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The best part of reliving the past two Superbowls is how soul-crushing it must have been for all these media a-holes.
 
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