The Nation's Tears: Pink Stripes

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The best part of these YouTube videos is that you can lose yourself in all the related videos. Can watch for hours.
 

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The best part of these YouTube videos is that you can lose yourself in all the related videos. Can watch for hours.
 
This happened to me last night.  Watched a lot of post-game reaction videos and media coverage.  So funny how ANGRY Francessa was (still is)  
 

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What's great about that is it's such a perfect clip for those who think he's the cheater behind the curtain.
 

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Can't believe Ernie forgot to erase "Pink Stripes" and just gave away the Pats' cheating scheme during Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
 

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I just watched the full highlights of this for the first time in the while and holy shit how did we win this game?
 
The Lynch run right before the pick is still terrifying to watch.
 

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I just watched the full highlights of this for the first time in the while and holy shit how did we win this game?
 
The Lynch run right before the pick is still terrifying to watch.
And Al Michaels' call of "Beast Mode's" run suggests he thought Marshawn was getting in. I thought the same and almost wish he did (wanted uS to have a minute left to tie at least). Well until Butler next play...
 

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Well, they dominated all but the third quarter. That goofy td to end the half masked that.

The Baltimore game, if you want to talk about a game they had no business winning, on the other hand...
 

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I've had a number of discussions with folks buying the narrative that the Patriots were "lucky" to win the SB because of the goal line play call. Quite the opposite. The Patriots won on a brilliantly executed play that they had practiced. The Seahawks were lucky to be on the goal line due to the miracle catch by Jermaine Kearse.
 

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I've had a number of discussions with folks buying the narrative that the Patriots were "lucky" to win the SB because of the goal line play call. Quite the opposite. The Patriots won on a brilliantly executed play that they had practiced. The Seahawks were lucky to be on the goal line due to the miracle catch by Jermaine Kearse.
 
The goal-line interception the Seahawks had in the 1st quarter was far more lucky---you see Brady miss like that in the red zone very rarely.  The defender didn't make a great play or anything; it was just a pure break for Seattle.  People forget that end-zone INTs were 1-1 in that game, not 1-0
 

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Seagull said:
I've had a number of discussions with folks buying the narrative that the Patriots were "lucky" to win the SB because of the goal line play call. Quite the opposite. The Patriots won on a brilliantly executed play that they had practiced. The Seahawks were lucky to be on the goal line due to the miracle catch by Jermaine Kearse.
Meh, it's not mutually exclusive. Both were lucky. Pats for Pete Carroll, Seahwaks for Kearse's knee.
 

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Meh, it's not mutually exclusive. Both were lucky. Pats for Pete Carroll, Seahwaks for Kearse's knee.
I suppose, there's always an element of luck, but sometimes luck is the residue of design.   The Patriots created their own luck in this case.  In any event, my point within the context of this thread is that the national narrative that the Patriots were lucky to win the Super Bowl is pretty much a way of stemming the tears.  
 

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Meh, it's not mutually exclusive. Both were lucky. Pats for Pete Carroll, Seahwaks for Kearse's knee.
 
The point being made before was that Pats were lucky for the int at the end---thus, noting there was luck both ways was precisely my point
 

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Well, they dominated all but the third quarter. That goofy td to end the half masked that.

The Baltimore game, if you want to talk about a game they had no business winning, on the other hand...
I thought that was a heck of a gamble, and a great payoff, to go for that TD at the end of the first half. That call worked for Carroll. The play call at the end of the game did not. Both were good aggressive plays. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 

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I thought that was a heck of a gamble, and a great payoff, to go for that TD at the end of the first half. That call worked for Carroll. The play call at the end of the game did not. Both were good aggressive plays. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 
Exactly.  Aggressive play is a mindset.  You have to be willing to suffer the consequences in order to reap the rewards.  And it should reward you in the long run.  NFL coaches are generally too risk averse.
 
We also need to remember that a dumb penalty (on Arrington, I believe) is the reason they even attempted to throw it one more time.  Without that penalty, they kick the FG.
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
 
The goal-line interception the Seahawks had in the 1st quarter was far more lucky---you see Brady miss like that in the red zone very rarely.  The defender didn't make a great play or anything; it was just a pure break for Seattle.  People forget that end-zone INTs were 1-1 in that game, not 1-0
Well, Bennett did force Brady into the throw. It was similar to the horrible throw he made in SB 38. If Brady eats it, Ghost is kicking a FG and it's probably 3-0. On the other hand, the INT led to Tharold Simon's SB introduction.

But when I hear people talk about how Simon was forced into the game, I remind them that New England's 5th CB was the guy who made the greatest play in SB history. Depth is an integral part of the game, and the more Seattle spends on superstar contracts, the bigger the dropoffs between starters and their replacements.
 

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"I looked over there and, I don't know, something just didn't look right."
 
Pete Carroll, calling the shots?
I can't wait for September 9th. BB is amazing and I love how he trusted his gut in that situation.
 

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Here's a new DYJ preview about BB and if/when he'll retire:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/mFht5diQ8Do[/youtube]
 

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BB throwing TB12 under the bus again:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/1OL5BUXAP5k[/youtube]
 

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Kraft presenting BB game ball for 200 wins:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/l2N-YaRtsK0[/youtube]
 

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Looks like we'll get some Deflategate in DYJ, as well! Freeze at 27 second mark:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/YwZfao6-fsg[/youtube]
 

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I can't wait for September 9th. BB is amazing and I love how he trusted his gut in that situation.
 
I remember thinking there had to be some sort of reason why he let the clock run, yet I was drawing blanks when it was unfolding. In the time since, I had sort of chalked it up to the the fact that, however fragile, we still had the lead with 0:30 to go and running - and that was a better position to be in than giving the offense the ball for 2, maybe 3 plays.
 
But, they put that personnel group in (for the first time all year!) for a reason, right? I bet Carroll tipped his hand somehow, and BB is being coy about it just "not looking right."
 

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staz said:
 
I remember thinking there had to be some sort of reason why he let the clock run, yet I was drawing blanks when it was unfolding. In the time since, I had sort of chalked it up to the the fact that, however fragile, we still had the lead with 0:30 to go and running - and that was a better position to be in than giving the offense the ball for 2, maybe 3 plays.
 
But, they put that personnel group in (for the first time all year!) for a reason, right? I bet Carroll tipped his hand somehow, and BB is being coy about it just "not looking right."
There just aren't that many goal line situations. The Patriots defense had only had 13 plays all season where the opponent started on the 1 or 2, and 3 WR is kind of an unusual formation for that field position. They probably wouldn't use it against every team - they have to really respect the offense's run game, and not be too concerned with the TE - but I'd be surprised if it was something they put in just for the Seahawks.
 

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I remember thinking there had to be some sort of reason why he let the clock run, yet I was drawing blanks when it was unfolding. In the time since, I had sort of chalked it up to the the fact that, however fragile, we still had the lead with 0:30 to go and running - and that was a better position to be in than giving the offense the ball for 2, maybe 3 plays.
 
But, they put that personnel group in (for the first time all year!) for a reason, right? I bet Carroll tipped his hand somehow, and BB is being coy about it just "not looking right."
I feel like this has been talked about... maybe by BB?  But my feeling at the time was that Carroll was expecting BB to call a timeout to set the defense.  That would give him two plays and a ton more options.  I feel like that's what almost every coach would do in that situation.  When BB didn't call a timeout all of a sudden the options shrank to three or four or maybe even fewer.
 
You pass to get two shots or you run and hope Marshawn gets in.. because you may not get another play.  I think not calling the timeout put that time pressure on the Seahawks that they weren't expecting.  They were running out the clock to put the pressure on the Pats and BB reversed it and basically said..FU, score then with no timeouts.  
 

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Belichicks head wasn't in the game, he couldn't believe another circus catch and they were going to lose again. He gave up. That's why he didn't call timeout

At least that's what the gang green believe.
 

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I feel like this has been talked about... maybe by BB?  But my feeling at the time was that Carroll was expecting BB to call a timeout to set the defense.  That would give him two plays and a ton more options.  I feel like that's what almost every coach would do in that situation.  When BB didn't call a timeout all of a sudden the options shrank to three or four or maybe even fewer.
 
You pass to get two shots or you run and hope Marshawn gets in.. because you may not get another play.  I think not calling the timeout put that time pressure on the Seahawks that they weren't expecting.  They were running out the clock to put the pressure on the Pats and BB reversed it and basically said..FU, score then with no timeouts.  
In the most unlikely of situations, BB, the ultimate troll, trolled the Seahawks and they panicked. Brilliant! 
 

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Holy shit. Turns out the whole thing was picking the right play in Tecmo Bowl.
 
I'm guessing this year Seattle puts in a counter where the receiver fakes the slant and cuts wide to the flat.
 

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I'm guessing Seattle runs the ball..
I'm not so sure...because last year they didn't have Jimmy Graham.  Their options on the goalline got a wee bit more dangerous.
 

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Is there video out there of Belichick's Postgame Super Bowl locker room speech? I've searched you tube but the only thing I can find is a short video of Kraft giving out handshakes and hugs.
 

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Not a big fan of the new banner position. I'm assuming the Kraft's want more standing room on those ramps, 4 banners must be too many! #patriotsproblems.
 
https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/639542016913879040
 

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Not a big fan of the new banner position. I'm assuming the Kraft's want more standing room on those ramps, 4 banners must be too many! #patriotsproblems.
 
https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/639542016913879040
 
If those brilliant young engineers at MIT want to do something to really get national attention this year they can somehow manage to get a banner-sized picture of Roger Goodell (perhaps wearing a dunce cap) under that cover.
 

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Not a big fan of the new banner position. I'm assuming the Kraft's want more standing room on those ramps, 4 banners must be too many! #patriotsproblems.
 
https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/639542016913879040
 
Like always, the Patriots are one step ahead of everyone.  When they put up the Super Bowl 50 Banner directly above Gillette it will resemble a giant middle finger.
 

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Not sure where to put this -- someone hypothesized this in one of the umpteen threads and got slightly flamed for it, but Jonathan Kraft just said in the radio pregame they were not going to raise the banner without #12.
 

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Not sure where to put this -- someone hypothesized this in one of the umpteen threads and got slightly flamed for it, but Jonathan Kraft just said in the radio pregame they were not going to raise the banner without #12.
Yeah, some of the holier than thou attitude in the last main thread was sickening. People saying things like "just stop" and berating others, as if they *know* exactly how Kraft and the Patriots organization would respond. I didn't say anything but people need to get a grip on their telepathic abilities.
 

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I can't get enough of Akeem Ayers' article, and Reggie Wayne asking out because it was too hard was a stark contrast to Mr. Ayers' attitude:

 
To get traded to New England was just unbelievable. I had heard about the culture of the team — the intense preparation and complete focus — but I didn’t really understand what that meant until the first week I was there. New England prepares with the expectation of winning. You go there as a player and you know the tradition they have, the players they have and the mindset they have. Anything other than winning is simply not an option. And I can see how they’ve maintained such success over a long period of time. When I arrived, I just had to follow everyone’s lead. The organization runs like a well-oiled machine.
 
 
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/akeem-ayers-rams-super-bowl-patriots/
 
That quote is sure to bring tears to Roger Goodell and other Pats haters.