The Michael McCorkle "Mac" Jones Thread

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No idea if that makes him a better qb, but that took a lot of work and commitment, which is always a good sign.
 
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Even if getting into better shape does zero for his game, as a fan of the team you love seeing a young kid “get” that if you want to be among the best you have to work hard at getting any edge you can, anywhere you can. He doesn’t seem to be resting on his laurels after a good year 1, which suggests there’s real humility and a drive to keep improving there. Love to see it.
 
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joe dokes said:
No idea if that makes him a better qb, but that took a lot of work and commitment, which is always a good sign.
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A big part of the commitment is to completely rework diet and learn nutrition, which in certain respects can be more difficult than working hard at the gym; diet increasingly has been shown to be much more important to the equation than people used to think.

And he’s been very specific that that was a point of emphasis for him that off-season:

https://www.pressherald.com/2022/05/23/2nd-year-qb-mac-jones-arrives-at-pats-workout-in-great-shape/
“I think every year you want to do like a self-evaluation: How you felt through the games and body fat, all that stuff,” said Jones. “For me, just clean up my diet, and I’ve learned more this offseason than I probably ever have about nutrition, sleep, wellness, all that stuff.”

Jones said that he’s focused on “eating healthy, taking out a lot of things that are bad for my diet, but at the same time I need to maintain my weight and be able to take hits, so there’s a fine balance for every player. Every player’s different and, for me, I’ve definitely trimmed down body fat a little bit, and I’ll get a chance to bulk back up before the season starts and be able to absorb the hits.”
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So yes, lots of good signs here, including willing to listen to and learn a lot of big picture stuff.
 
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I wouldn't have recognized him if they didn't say who it was. His face looks completely different.
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I have now seen multiple pics of the "new" Mac and still feel this way. He looks completely different.

Also, while I'm sure a lot of people still preach the idea of it being beneficial to have a little "natural padding," as Mac mentions above, I think Brady has proven that being lean does not make you more susceptible to injury.
 
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I have now seen multiple pics of the "new" Mac and still feel this way. He looks completely different.

Also, while I'm sure a lot of people still preach the idea of it being beneficial to have a little "natural padding," as Mac mentions above, I think Brady has proven that being lean does not make you more susceptible to injury.
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To me this is more just talk radio BS. He’s not cut so they can complain he’s not in shape and not all in. He’s cut, who was the last QB who was jacked????
 
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From Phil Perry: "I was told by one league source this offseason that if Mac Jones wanted to retire tomorrow and become an offensive coordinator, he could. He's that bright, the source explained."
 
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From Phil Perry: "I was told by one league source this offseason that if Mac Jones wanted to retire tomorrow and become an offensive coordinator, he could. He's that bright, the source explained."
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Guarantee that league source is or was an offensive coordinator.
 
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Hard not to be excited. Unless the Sox get their act together, all NE sports eyes will be on the Pats this coming month.
 
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"We're just a lot further ahead in the conversation [offensively]," Belichick said. "The plays that we talk about, or concepts we talk about, Mac has already done it before. It's easy for him to say, 'Are we going to do this on that? Are we going to do this on something else? What do you think about splitting them a little bit wider? Splitting them a little bit tighter.' Suggestions like that.

"And we have a much better feel for what he can do, what his strengths are, and how to try to play into those. He's self-aware, too. He knows what he does well. We want to try to feature those."
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From the above article, seems like a big step if he has such input in the offense. Doesn't surprise me.

I don't think we need to worry about the Pats putting a clause into the contract that requires Mac to study 4 hours a week.
 
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I'm irrationally excited for Mac Jones this season.

I don't think its a stretch to say that decision making is the differentiator for QB success in the NFL. He was overly cautious (by design?) to start and had at least one head scratcher a game, but you could see his processing evolve throughout the season.

I'm betting on Mac. With the work ethic he's shown, the field intelligence we hear about, and his decision making progression, he would have to have an "injured Chad Pennington" type arm strength for him not to be a very good QB.
 
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What I mainly want to see from Mac is more confidence attacking the intermediate part of the field and a better understanding of pressure, where it's coming from, how to take advantage of it and how to elude it. Also, more aggressive throws and decision making when down, felt he played it a bit safe when they were trailing or it was obvious the team would need a lot of points to come back in a game, but that's perfectly understable for a rookie. I think he did everything else at least at an adequate NFL level. Don't think the arm is much of an issue, unless it's the reason as to why he was a bit gunshy throwing into tight windows over the middle. Don't think he'll make a Joe Burrow type jump (the weapons aren't even there for something like that to happen), but I think it's reasonable that he could perform at, say, a Derek Carr level this year and you can contend with a QB like that.
 
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,but I think it's reasonable that he could perform at, say, a Derek Carr level this year and you can contend with a QB like that.
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It's very reasonable because he performed at just about the same level as Carr did last year.

Completion percentage was nearly identical, nearly the same same with Y/A and Y/C, TD/INT were nearly the same as well--better TD % for Mac, lower INT % for Carr,
 
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It's very reasonable because he performed at just about the same level as Carr did last year.

Completion percentage was nearly identical, nearly the same same with Y/A and Y/C, TD/INT were nearly the same as well--better TD % for Mac, lower INT % for Carr,
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Carr was better by ANY/A, QBR, DYAR, DVOA and EPA/Play, but honestly the margins were pretty thin, so your overall point stands. Maybe I should upgrade my expectations.
 
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What I mainly want to see from Mac is more confidence attacking the intermediate part of the field and a better understanding of pressure, where it's coming from, how to take advantage of it and how to elude it. Also, more aggressive throws and decision making when down, felt he played it a bit safe when they were trailing or it was obvious the team would need a lot of points to come back in a game, but that's perfectly understable for a rookie. I think he did everything else at least at an adequate NFL level. Don't think the arm is much of an issue, unless it's the reason as to why he was a bit gunshy throwing into tight windows over the middle. Don't think he'll make a Joe Burrow type jump (the weapons aren't even there for something like that to happen), but I think it's reasonable that he could perform at, say, a Derek Carr level this year and you can contend with a QB like that.
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Including your adjusted David Carr comp, I agree with this post wholeheartedly.

Mac wss solid last year and did a great job of staying within his limitations. Perhaps too good at times, as he seemed to leave some points on the field due to aggressive risk aversion. This year, he should be more comfortable more physically capable. These are both reasons to not only take off the training wheels a bit but to buy a much faster bike.

I don't expect or want a jump ball QB as an M.O. But the next leap is to trust his arm and his receivers a bit more, especially situationally. When we're down 14, sometimes a jump ball is the right move. Even when we're not, there are some window throws that he can make that last year he might have avoided. Lfg.
 
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Mac isn't anywhere near one the best 100 players in the league at this point, but by virtue of showing the ability to at the very least provide competent QB play he's certainly among the 100 most valuable player in the league, I'd argue top 40, so it's hard to judge these rankings. I don't think he had a better season last year than Cousins, though.
 
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rodderick said:
Mac isn't anywhere near one the best 100 players in the league at this point, but by virtue of showing the ability to at the very least provide competent QB play he's certainly among the 100 most valuable player in the league, I'd argue top 40, so it's hard to judge these rankings. I don't think he had a better season last year than Cousins, though.
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According to what are so you conclusively making this pronouncement? These rankings are by the players - not some pats fans on a forum.

Advanced stats show him as a top 12 QB in his rookie year and having a better year than Cousins.
 
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According to what are so you conclusively making this pronouncement? These rankings are by the players - not some pats fans on a forum.

Advanced stats show him as a top 12 QB in his rookie year and having a better year than Cousins.
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Genuinely curious, which advanced stats show Mac better than Cousins? I can't really find a single stat on Pro Football Reference that puts Mac ahead of him.

That said, Mac would be my preference going forward. I'd rather a guy like him who works within the system well and manages his limitations to reach maximum potential, than a guy who gets overconfident and tends to make a crucial mistake which I think Cousins has embodied throughout his career.
 
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This also feels like a situation where stats don’t tell the whole story. The three best skill players between the Vikings and Pats offenses are all on the Vikings and while Cousins is definitely better stat wise than Mac, his team scored less than Mac’s (obviously not an individual metric but the QB is kind of key), there is the dome/open weather difference (Cousins was good in both and Mac wasn’t in his dome game but it’s easy enough to imagine that he would look better with 11 dome games last year(, etc.

I can easily see how NFL players got there personally. Also it’s like…98 and 85 rankings wise the difference is negligible.
 
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Gash Prex said:
According to what are so you conclusively making this pronouncement? These rankings are by the players - not some pats fans on a forum.

Advanced stats show him as a top 12 QB in his rookie year and having a better year than Cousins.
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The 12th best QB in the league is certainly one of the more valuable players in the league, but probably not one of the best 100 players in the league. I think every position has about 10 guys who do their job better than Mac did at QB in 2021, for instance. Do you disagree? It's my opinion, just as players (who ranked Blake Bottles number 57 on this list in a previous year) have theirs.

And Cousins was better than Mac by ANY/A, DYAR, DVOA, EPA/Play, PFF rating, QBR and passer rating, I guess Mac has him beat by CPOE, but that's about it.
 
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Genuinely curious, which advanced stats show Mac better than Cousins? I can't really find a single stat on Pro Football Reference that puts Mac ahead of him.

That said, Mac would be my preference going forward. I'd rather a guy like him who works within the system well and manages his limitations to reach maximum potential, than a guy who gets overconfident and tends to make a crucial mistake which I think Cousins has embodied throughout his career.
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Player Team Plays EPA+CPOE composite Adj. EPA/play EPA/play Success rate Cmp% Expected cmp% CPOE Air yards
1 A.Rodgers 609 0.176 0.265 0.259 52.1% 71.8 65.9 5.8 7.8
2 J.Burrow 637 0.163 0.218 0.186 49.3% 72.3 65.6 6.7 8.3
3 P.Mahomes 786 0.146 0.232 0.221 53.4% 70.3 67.6 2.7 7.3
4 J.Garoppolo 515 0.140 0.216 0.203 49.9% 70.7 68.0 2.6 7.7
5 T.Brady 786 0.139 0.229 0.217 52.4% 68.9 67.2 1.7 8.1
6 M.Stafford 674 0.129 0.227 0.201 50.9% 67.8 67.9 -0.1 8.5
7 T.Bridgewater 500 0.128 0.168 0.157 49.0% 70.4 66.5 3.9 8.0
8 K.Murray 625 0.123 0.151 0.132 49.3% 72.2 68.0 4.2 7.9
9 J.Herbert 798 0.123 0.218 0.197 51.1% 67.4 68.0 -0.6 7.6
10 J.Allen 825 0.121 0.176 0.169 51.5% 66.6 64.5 2.1 8.5
11 M.Jones 616 0.114 0.154 0.123 50.5% 68.9 66.5 2.4 8.1
12 R.Tannehill 655 0.113 0.151 0.132 52.2% 68.8 66.4 2.3 7.4
13 D.Prescott 709 0.112 0.149 0.137 49.6% 70.0 67.6 2.4 7.7
14 K.Cousins 637 0.108 0.151 0.137 46.0% 69.3 67.9 1.4 8.0
15 D.Carr 731 0.105 0.132 0.107 48.3% 71.2 69.0 2.2 8.2
16 R.Wilson 494 0.093 0.084 0.075 45.7% 67.1 64.0 3.1 9.9
17 J.Hurts 613 0.088 0.117 0.101 47.3% 64.8 64.7 0.1 8.8
18 T.Tagovailoa 466 0.085 0.081 0.062 48.5% 69.2 67.2 2.0 7.2
19 L.Jackson 563 0.084 0.098 0.084 49.6% 66.3 65.6 0.7 9.4
20 M.Ryan 663 0.071 0.046 0.031 47.4% 69.2 67.4 1.8 7.2
21 C.Wentz 636 0.070 0.103 0.084 46.9% 64.8 66.9 -2.1 7.8
22 T.Heinicke 616 0.053 0.018 0.001 46.8% 66.9 66.6 0.3 7.7
23 B.Mayfield 515 0.048 0.051 0.044 44.9% 63.3 65.9 -2.7 8.7
24 D.Jones 465 0.048 0.022 0.012 44.9% 66.9 67.7 -0.8 7.1
25 J.Goff 569 0.039 -0.031 -0.048 46.2% 71.1 70.5 0.6 6.6
26 B.Roethlisberger 689 0.033 0.003 -0.017 41.7% 65.4 67.8 -2.4 6.8
27 D.Mills 470 0.025 -0.082 -0.090 43.8% 69.6 69.8 -0.2 7.3
28 J.Fields 395 0.014 -0.104 -0.126 42.5% 60.9 62.9 -2.0 9.7
29 T.Lawrence 733 0.009 -0.030 -0.045 45.3% 61.7 66.6 -4.9 7.9
30 S.Darnold 503 -0.002 -0.096 -0.122 43.1% 63.0 67.9 -4.9 7.4
31 Z.Wilson 473 -0.029 -0.139 -0.148 38.7% 58.2 67.8 -9.6 7.7
 
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So my boy Jimmy G is the fourth best QB in the NFL?? Mac should be holding this guys clipboard!
 
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So my boy Jimmy G is the fourth best QB in the NFL?? Mac should be holding this guys clipboard!
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Clearly not a perfect metric (none are) but Mac and Cousins and Jimmy G are generally in the same realm. One was a rookie starter, and the other 2 are veteran QBs.

QBR
Jimmy G: 53.3 (13)
Cousins: 52.3 (15)
Mac: 50.9 (16)

PFF:
Cousins: 88.2 (6)
Mac: 80.4 (11)
Jimmy G: 71.5 (22)

Adjusted EPA/Play
Jimmy G: .216 (5)
Mac: .154 (8)
Cousins: .151 (9)

CPOE
Jimmy G. 2.6 (7)
Mac: 2.4 (8)
Cousins: 1.4 (16)

Air Yards
Mac: 8.1 (10)
Cousins: 8.0 (13)
Jimmy G. 7.7 (18)
 
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An excellent conversation with Tom House about his work with Mac Jones this offseason - they even review some film and its some really interesting stuff (about head movement, legs). Tom's overall point is that Mac will be learning and growing until he is 35-36. Tom even makes the point that sometimes Mac works a little too much.

I started at about 12 min where they start talking about Mac

View: https://youtu.be/fkR3RnLf6uY?t=714


At about 16 min they review some film from the Raiders game.
 
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Thought he looked shaky getting up after that roughing the passer penalty that got nullified by terrible Trent Brown penalty
 
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Oof, I am not sure on Mac still and thought he looked pretty shitty at times today, but if he’s hurt and its the Brian Hoyer show in September then suddenly I am going to have a lot of free time on Sundays this fall.
 
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Would they really go with Hoyer over Zappe?
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Depends on how long Mac is out, probably. If he's gone for half a season or more, you can pretty much forget about the playoffs regardless so we probably see Zappe just in case he's something. If he's only out for a couple of weeks (or a month or two), it's probably Hoyer because he gives them a better chance to steal a win here and there in the near term, which they'll certainly need if they want a shot at the playoffs.
 
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