We should pay more attention to Mark Cuban in these trying times.
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No the episodes start at 9. Inside Stuff at 7.Wait it's at 7 tonight instead of 9?
I had same reaction. What an incredible song choice (EV being a Chicago guy, too), and video perfectly edited to the tempo and dynamic changes of the song.I audibly gasped when the first notes of Present Tense hit at the end. What an absolutely picture perfect song choice to end what was a phenomenal soundtrack for the whole series.
Incredible 10 episodes. So much to digest and relive, plus so much new material too. That was a blast to experience every week.
The way I see it is some kids tagged along because they knew the Bulls were staying at the Marriott and they thought they might get a glimpse of MJ or Scottie. I'm not doubting that it was food poisoning, but the trainer implying that it was intentionally poisoned is a little over the top.Wow. Saying some pizza joint in SLC food poisoned MJ
Kerr was definitely featured because they were setting up his championship winning shot.Steve Kerr is featured prominently in John Feinstein's A Season Inside, which covers the year (1987-88) that his Arizona team reached the Final Four - that was one of the books I repeatedly devoured as a kid. (I bought it for my father for Christmas and read it cover to cover on Christmas Eve before wrapping it up for him!) There's absolutely a documentary to be made about Kerr's life and career once he's ready; e.g., I think there was a game at Berkeley where the Cal students chanted "P-L-O! P-L-O!" at him. I think this series went about as far as it could have, and should have, with him in the context of a marginal figure in the Bulls dynasty, but he's really one of the more interesting people in basketball over the last 50 years.
I was kinda stunned that there was no footage at all of Games 5 and 6 of the Indiana series in Episode IX, and there were a few other points where the doc didn't quite land for me. But I started the series with no expectations and a general distaste for MJ, and yet I'm so glad I watched all 10 episodes. Sports documentaries have come a *long* way in the last decade.
The wife and I were blown away to see Malone on the bus. He’s just gotten beat in consecutive finals by that team. Just a short token before he got stripped by Jordan, which led to the winning bucket. But there he is on the Bulls’ bus shaking hands and congratulating his primary antagonist. Incredible.I had no idea about Kerr's father. Brutal
Karl Malone going onto the team bus to offer congratulations is not something I expected to see.
Fascinating to think about what it would have been like had they tried to go at it another year. I don't think Rodman played much after that season. And like MJ said, it would have been hard to convince Pippen to do it. But it everyone was on board, probably would have been tough for him to walk away. A 50 game season would have worked out well for them.
And maybe I'm biased, but the ending was fantastic. Great song selection with lyrics that really fit. A real fun watch and I'm sad it's over.
He was featured for 8-10 minutes in the doc because he hit a championship winning shot *and* because he's got a fascinating personal story. (Paxson didn't get featured for 8-10 minutes, by comparison.)Kerr was definitely featured because they were setting up his championship winning shot.
What? Paxson was in this a ton.He was featured for 8-10 minutes in the doc because he hit a championship winning shot *and* because he's got a fascinating personal story. (Paxson didn't get featured for 8-10 minutes, by comparison.)
For flavor quotes only, though. He wasn't turned into a primary character with full backstory, the way you had detailed setup for Jordan (episode 1), Pippen (episode 2), Rodman (3), Phil Jackson (4). We really knew nothing about him, the person. Episode 9 kinda made Kerr a main character, or at least tier 2 along with Kukoc and some others.What? Paxson was in this a ton.
I loved Jackson's response to the reporter who asked about Rodman being a distraction and taking away the teams' focus. "He's only taking YOUR focus away from the finals. Not ours."I had no memory of Rodman heading off to wrestle in the middle of the Finals. Can you imagine if that happened now? It led to a good discussion with my boys about how everyone will tell you that the rules are the same for everybody, and that if you let down your team like that you should pay a consequence such as a game suspension, but in fact the rules are not the same for everybody, nor should they necessarily. Phil Jackson’s genius was that he understood that and did what he needed to do with Rodman to achieve the eventual goal.
He also looks younger today than he did in 1998.I think the Kerr vignette worked well given the poignancy of it but also that Kerr took a path similar to Phil J. a role player on a championship team to coach of a team in the discussion as one of the game's best. Kerr has currency in several ways.
The P-L-O chant was at Arizona State. It's still one of the first things I associate with that school. Every last one of those students should have been kicked out of school.Steve Kerr is featured prominently in John Feinstein's A Season Inside, which covers the year (1987-88) that his Arizona team reached the Final Four - that was one of the books I repeatedly devoured as a kid. (I bought it for my father for Christmas and read it cover to cover on Christmas Eve before wrapping it up for him!) There's absolutely a documentary to be made about Kerr's life and career once he's ready; e.g., I think there was a game at Berkeley where the Cal students chanted "P-L-O! P-L-O!" at him. I think this series went about as far as it could have, and should have, with him in the context of a marginal figure in the Bulls dynasty, but he's really one of the more interesting people in basketball over the last 50 years.
I was kinda stunned that there was no footage at all of Games 5 and 6 of the Indiana series in Episode IX, and there were a few other points where the doc didn't quite land for me. But I started the series with no expectations and a general distaste for MJ, and yet I'm so glad I watched all 10 episodes. Sports documentaries have come a *long* way in the last decade.
I loved that they included the Pippen comments about Krause and giving him credit. But it was almost out of place after basically trashing him for 10 episodes. I think they owed it to him to pursue those comments a bit more, especially Pippen claiming he's the "greatest GM of all-time". I think they could have interviewed other GMs and business types to better understand Krause's thinking. But of course, this was a Michael Jordan Production.Which leads me to another question: if this were going to be stretched to 12 or even 15 episodes, what else do you add? You're telling the story of american basketball from ~1985-2000, which more than anything else is the story of Michael Jordan and the Bulls, but it's not just about them. Ideas that come to mind:
- More MJ-at-North-Carolina
- More Dream Team
- More Baseball Sojourn (there are some epic stories many of us have read about that 1994 Birmingham team, and who's a better interview than Terry Francona?)
- You can't interview Jerry Krause, but maybe you interview a lot more people who were close to him and knew his mind, and try to paint a picture of his decision-making. Maybe you do some investigative stuff with other front-office people (NBA and Bulls) that gets at what Reinsdorf was really involved with, his salary cap machinations, the extent to which he used Krause as a shield to not take responsibility.
- More on the defeated playoff opponents other than the Finals (and aside from the 98 playoffs, and I guess overcoming the Pistons in 91). There were some repeat customers in there, and things like the Knicks deserved more. Hakeem. David Robinson.
- More on the involvement of the shoe companies in selling the NBA globally, both the good and the bad.
- More epilogue-type stuff: Jordan in Washington, Jordan with the Hornets / Bobcats. Pippen doing whatever. Rodman remaining an international man of mystery. Reinsdorf spinning his wheels. Kerr going into coaching. The emergence of Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Pistons Reborn. Hall of Fame speeches. Mentorship of the next generation.
I didn't finish this "wanting more", per se, but it was so well done that you almost wonder about the good stuff that hit the cutting-room floor.
I thought so too, until Jason Hehir talked on Jalen and Jacoby about the level of input MJ had, which was less than I thought. I think I posted a clip of it on the last page, it was the middle video. Basically, he was making comments and advising them of some good stuff or a story they'd missed, but he wasn't telling them to do X or not-do Y.But of course, this was a Michael Jordan Production.
Can anyone else but Jordan get away with calling Larry Bird a bitch? This was great.
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FWIW, this structure blatantly rips off David Halberstam's book on Jordan, Playing for Keeps.Fantastic. They took a chance telling a story with two different timelines but it worked and all came together in the end. Best documentary ESPN has ever done.
Can I get a replay of the entire Monte Carlo game?Which leads me to another question: if this were going to be stretched to 12 or even 15 episodes, what else do you add? You're telling the story of american basketball from ~1985-2000, which more than anything else is the story of Michael Jordan and the Bulls, but it's not just about them. Ideas that come to mind:
- More MJ-at-North-Carolina
- More Dream Team
- More Baseball Sojourn (there are some epic stories many of us have read about that 1994 Birmingham team, and who's a better interview than Terry Francona?)
- You can't interview Jerry Krause, but maybe you interview a lot more people who were close to him and knew his mind, and try to paint a picture of his decision-making. Maybe you do some investigative stuff with other front-office people (NBA and Bulls) that gets at what Reinsdorf was really involved with, his salary cap machinations, the extent to which he used Krause as a shield to not take responsibility.
- More on the defeated playoff opponents other than the Finals (and aside from the 98 playoffs, and I guess overcoming the Pistons in 91). There were some repeat customers in there, and things like the Knicks deserved more. Hakeem. David Robinson.
- More on the involvement of the shoe companies in selling the NBA globally, both the good and the bad.
- More epilogue-type stuff: Jordan in Washington, Jordan with the Hornets / Bobcats. Pippen doing whatever. Rodman remaining an international man of mystery. Reinsdorf spinning his wheels. Kerr going into coaching. The emergence of Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Pistons Reborn. Hall of Fame speeches. Mentorship of the next generation.
I didn't finish this "wanting more", per se, but it was so well done that you almost wonder about the good stuff that hit the cutting-room floor.
I think it does all come back to MJ. The Dream Team needed MJ in a way it didn't need those other players, so he was going to have some final say over the roster. If it was him or Isiah, Isiah wasn't getting on the team.I thoroughly enjoyed it. Growing up a teenager in the 80's I was focused almost exclusively on the Celtics and then the NBA started losing me into the 90's, so while I of course knew of Jordan and what he and the Bulls were doing much of what was shown was new to me. I thought it was really well done and like some other have mentioned I never thought a 10 hour documentary would hold my interest but it left me wanting for more.
On Isiah Thomas - is he really so delusional to think it was just the lack of sportsmanship towards the Bulls that got him left off the Dream Team? How about the fact that he alienated Bird (by agreeing he'd be just another good player if he were black) and Magic (by wondering not-so-silently if he was bisexual after the HIV announcement). Here's a hint - when the top three players on the team have good cause to not like you, you're not likely going to be invited to the dance.
I think the rules are usually for everyone, as they should be. I see Rodman on the Bulls as a sort of "deal with the devil" kind of scenario. Rodman has already proven that he couldn't work on a strictly coached team. They took a gamble and decided up front that they were going to give him a a lot of rope in exchange for performance. And that gamble paid off. The whole team knew what the deal was, so it's not like it was setting a bad precedent for everyone else. It was a very special case.I had no memory of Rodman heading off to wrestle in the middle of the Finals. Can you imagine if that happened now? It led to a good discussion with my boys about how everyone will tell you that the rules are the same for everybody, and that if you let down your team like that you should pay a consequence such as a game suspension, but in fact the rules are not the same for everybody, nor should they necessarily. Phil Jackson’s genius was that he understood that and did what he needed to do with Rodman to achieve the eventual goal.
Bird laughed it off in the moment. There was a furor about Isiah's remarks after the ECF and Bird addressed it before the finals with a smile and said "Isiah knows I'm a baaaaaaaaad man."Yeah, Isiah had some missteps with Bird and Magic, but I kind of doubt Bird would care enough about Isiah's comments from five years ago to hold that kind of grudge over him.
Thanks for setting me straight on this. (I was too lazy earlier today to go back through A Season Inside to confirm the specifics, although I probably could have Googled this instead.)The P-L-O chant was at Arizona State. It's still one of the first things I associate with that school. Every last one of those students should have been kicked out of school.