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Do you have an extra "not" in there?
I'm not going to not say that was a disaster of a post.

It's been beaten to death elsewhere in this thread, but it's appalling that the Lakers can't figure out how to get this team on the right path. They need to divorce themselves of the idea that there is some sort of Lakers mystique or exceptionalism and go out and hire the best people. Get rid of Pelinka, find a real GM and then hire the best coaching candidate available. We have 4.5 years of data on Jason Kidd and none of it is very good. They have the money, resources and connections to do so much better.
 
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I'm not going to not say that was a disaster of a post.

It's been beaten to death elsewhere in this thread, but it's appalling that the Lakers can't figure out how to get this team on the right path. They need to divorce themselves of the idea that there is some sort of Lakers mystique or exceptionalism and go out and hire the best people. Get rid of Pelinka, find a real GM and then hire the best coaching candidate available. We have 4.5 years of data on Jason Kidd and none of it is very good. They have the money, resources and connections to do so much better.
I don't have the highest opinion of Jeannie Buss, but I'm also shocked that she's this moronic. I don't think there's a nicer way to put it--the evidence suggests that she's a very dumb human being.
 

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I don't have the highest opinion of Jeannie Buss, but I'm also shocked that she's this moronic. I don't think there's a nicer way to put it--the evidence suggests that she's a very dumb human being.
She has a lot of friends in the media though; which made the the “media is our biggest problem” speech even odder.
 

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Because Bill Simmons pulled that out of his ass while also erroneously claiming that Myers is from LA?

1. Myers is from the Bay Area and grew up a Warriors fan.
He's not the only one saying it.
Also, I'm fine with saying someone is "from" a place if they live there for 30+ years, he lived in LA from the time he graduated high school until he took the Warriors job in 2011.
I don't think he'll leave, but I'm not surprised if he's the Lakers' #1 target which is what Simmons said.
 

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Besides the history and the cachet, why would a top FA who wants to live in LA choose the Lakers over the Clippers? The Clippers now have a way better ownership, front office, coach, and roster.

For wings like Kawhi and KD, if they want to play in LA, the Clippers have to be a strong draw. They have around $60 million in cap space, with Gallo's $22m expiring contract on the books for next year, Lou Williams ($8m) and Montrezl Harrell ($6m) both with crazy production off the bench for cheap money, and three promising rookies in SGA, Shamet, and Jerome Robinson. Put either KD or Kawhi on that team with another FA, add a couple of vet ring chasers, and you have a big time contender.

If the Laker again strike out with AD, and don't get one of the big three K free agents, (KD, Kawhi, Kyrie), even if they sign a second tier FA, they'd be lucky to be a four seed in the West, assuming LBJ stays healthy and Ingram's arm and career doesn't go Bosh-y.
 

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Besides the history and the cachet, why would a top FA who wants to live in LA choose the Lakers over the Clippers? The Clippers now have a way better ownership, front office, coach, and roster.

For wings like Kawhi and KD, if they want to play in LA, the Clippers have to be a strong draw. They have around $60 million in cap space, with Gallo's $22m expiring contract on the books for next year, Lou Williams ($8m) and Montrezl Harrell ($6m) both with crazy production off the bench for cheap money, and three promising rookies in SGA, Shamet, and Jerome Robinson. Put either KD or Kawhi on that team with another FA, add a couple of vet ring chasers, and you have a big time contender.

If the Laker again strike out with AD, and don't get one of the big three K free agents, (KD, Kawhi, Kyrie), even if they sign a second tier FA, they'd be lucky to be a four seed in the West, assuming LBJ stays healthy and Ingram's arm and career doesn't go Bosh-y.
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I've sort of thought all year that Walker would be a good match with LeBron, Ball, Kuzman, and Ingram -- if they don't get one of the top tier guys (and I doubt they will) I'd put Walker with Butler (for different reasons) as the 2nd tier and the others as a 3rd tier.
 

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Besides the history and the cachet, why would a top FA who wants to live in LA choose the Lakers over the Clippers? The Clippers now have a way better ownership, front office, coach, and roster.

y.
Jared Dudley says this about Knicks vs Nets

Nets veteran Jared Dudley was asked what advantages the Nets would have over the Knicks in free agency (2/4): "Out of 10 pages, they got seven pages (of coverage in a newspaper). That's just how it is. And nothing is going to change there. I don't care, Dolan could burn down Manhattan and they're going to talk about the Knicks, let's be honest. Let's be honest. And so for us, the advantages they have here is, for one, the foundation and the culture we have. And not just in New York and in the NBA, one of the best young cores here. They have draft picks, they have cap space. And I know the Knicks do have cap space and they have a pretty good couple, one or two guys."
I think the same holds true in re Lakers/Clippers. I can't speak to individual psychology, but I think for some players the way the Knicks or Lakers are historic franchises with rabid fan bases despite losing will matter. For others that the Nets/Clippers are overall in better shape will matter more. But that the Clippers are nonentities in L.A. despite being better for years now means something.
 

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Per twitter reports Magic quit because he was apparently CC’d on emails that were critical of him. Dumpster fire.

 

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Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn 14m14 minutes ago
The expectation is the Lakers will move toward Ty Lue as head coach, but there's been no offer made to him yet, league sources tell ESPN.
Their rumored no. 1 choice, Monty Williams, took the Phoenix job instead. Someone thought working for Robert Sarver was a better gig than the Lakers. Let that sink in for a moment.

By the way, I'm something of a Lue apologist. Coaching a Lebron team is hard and I never thought he was as bad as others made him out to be. There were a lot of of ISOs, but he had the two best ISO guys in the league on his team. He was generally very good in the playoffs and even out-coached Kerr in the 2016 Finals. He's not in the upper tier, but few are; I don't think he's a bad choice for LA at all.
 

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Lue's won two-thirds of his playoff games, and won a title against the team with the most wins in NBA history. As a first time coach, he had to deal with the LeBron circus, Kyrie, a depressed Love, a loose cannon like JR Smith, and a bunch of other veterans.

I think there are only four NBA coaches who have won a championship, not including Lue. It's easy to discount his contribution to that Cavs title team, but as Cheech mentioned above, he outcoached Kerr in the Finals. Lue is the only available coach who has a history of winning with LeBron, and is an obvious choice.
 

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Their rumored no. 1 choice, Monty Williams, took the Phoenix job instead. Someone thought working for Robert Sarver was a better gig than the Lakers. Let that sink in for a moment.
I don’t believe for a second that the Lakers wanted Monty over Lue. If this were the case they would have simply offered him a contract especially once they knew Phoenix was interviewing him. The Lakers are LeBrons team now and we all know who he wants coaching this team moving forward. It’s way too soon to be assuming LeBron is going to be irrelevant in his final 5-6 seasons or so.
 

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I don’t believe for a second that the Lakers wanted Monty over Lue. If this were the case they would have simply offered him a contract especially once they knew Phoenix was interviewing him. The Lakers are LeBrons team now and we all know who he wants coaching this team moving forward. It’s way too soon to be assuming LeBron is going to be irrelevant in his final 5-6 seasons or so.
Maybe they didn't want him, but the media seemed sure he was the Lakers no. 1 choice and Woj framed it that way in his tweets ("...Lakers will move towards). It definitely seemed like Monty had some leverage on his side to squeeze a five-year contract out of Phoenix. He wasn't exactly a success in his first attempt at being a head coach.
 

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I'm with the Lue praise up above. People say he's LeBron's guy, which is true, but the reason is that he has LeBron's respect and was able to stand up to him in Cleveland, ergo getting the respect of other players on the Cavs -- i.e., it's not like he was LeBron's dog doing his bidding. So works for the team as a whole. Good X and Os guy, knows pressure, knows how to run an offense with LeBron, and kept things simple defensively during the regular season and saved more complicated schemes for the playoffs (not sure he can skate like that with this Laker club, though).
 

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LeBron better move on to Plan B.

Negotiations between the Los Angeles Lakers and Ty Lue have reached an impasse without a deal to make him the franchise’s next head coach, league sources tell ESPN. Discussions have included talks on contract and assistant coaching staff, sources said. Among Lakers hopes on a Lue staff: Jason Kidd. He made a strong impression with management in his head coaching interview and had a productive history w/ Bucks developing young talent.

 

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LeBron better move on to Plan B.

Negotiations between the Los Angeles Lakers and Ty Lue have reached an impasse without a deal to make him the franchise’s next head coach, league sources tell ESPN. Discussions have included talks on contract and assistant coaching staff, sources said. Among Lakers hopes on a Lue staff: Jason Kidd. He made a strong impression with management in his head coaching interview and had a productive history w/ Bucks developing young talent.

“@TheSteinLine: Among the issues that have led to a breakdown in talks between the Lakers and Ty Lue: League sources say that the Lakers have been trying to impose their choices for assistant coaches on Lue. @espn first reported the impasse between the Lakers are Lue”

IMO the clippers have become the marque team in LA.

Lakers are as dysfunctional as the clippers during sterling’s last years as owner.
 

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"you're our first choice! but you have to then turn around and hire our second choice, too! Sure, he'll resent you for beating him to the job he wanted, and might undermine you, and we could fire you and replace you with him at any point if we decide you're not getting the results we want. How's that sound, when can we have your signature?"
 

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Reportedly, talks with Lue are ended by mutual agreement. Can Tom Thibodeau be far behind?
 

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And Lue says “I’m outta here”
And LOL.
“@taniaganguli: The Lakers have decided to move on from Ty Lue as they search for their next head coach, having determined he isn't the right long-term fit for the organization, according to a team source.”
“@BA_Turner: Ty Lue and his representatives have informed the Lakers that he is moving on from trying to be hired as the Lakers' new coach, sources. Lue and his reps thanked the Lakers.”


Two lakers reporters two differently phrased tweets



Also. Contract details

“@ChrisBHaynes: Yahoo Sources: Lakers offered Tyronn Lue a three-year deal. Lue requested a five-year pact, same length issued to Luke Walton. Under Lakers’ proposal, the contract of Lue and LeBron James would have expired at the same time.”
 

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Lue: "I've won a championship and have 5x the experience Luke Walton had, why can't I have a deal like he got?"
Buss: "We want to make sure we can unload you at the same time as Lebron if this whole thing doesn't work."
Lue: "OK, I don't think this is going to work at all."
Buss: "Great, we agree, we're not interested in hiring you!"
Lue: "You can't fire not hire me, I quit [the process]!"

What a shitshow.
 

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Mike Woodson!

Also. Apparently They were all set to sign Lue, but Kurt Rambis AND HIS WIFE!!!! blew up the negotiations


“@getnickwright: Source: The Buss family & Rob Pelinka signed off on hiring Ty Lue last week. Kurt & Linda Rambis were the only parties opposed, and convinced the Lakers to hold off, which lead to today.”
 

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710 ESPN Radio here in LA (the HOME of the lakers) frequently takes callers. And Oh boy do Laker fans still think this is a marque team and job, and that FA will flock in droves to play for the purple and gold!
 

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It amazes me how much of a tire fire that franchise has become. This is getting beyond parody now.
What, are you kidding me? That franchise accomplished something that no team has been able to do in 13 years, they singlehandedly kept LeBron from making the playoffs.

Do you know what would be really funny? If SAS is right, and the Lakers traded LeBron to the Knicks for the pieces necessary to trade for Anthony Davis. Only to see Davis walk in the summer of 2020.
 

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The schaden is the same, but the freude is less today after the Celtics debacle. Still, seeing how well the Bucks are performing is an indictment of the Lakers pushing so hard for Kidd.
 

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“@getnickwright: Source: The Buss family & Rob Pelinka signed off on hiring Ty Lue last week. Kurt & Linda Rambis were the only parties opposed, and convinced the Lakers to hold off, which lead to today.”
Does he not know the difference between lead and led?

Can LeBron be traded without his consent? And I don't just mean based on contractual language.
 

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Sign and trade Kyrie for LeBron? #GetItDoneTheo
Kyrie’s coming raise raise makes him a BYC player, so he only counts for ≈ $21 million in a sign & trade scenario, meaning the only possible deal is Irving/Smart for a player that’s just finally shown the effects of aging. Not sure I’d be willing to endure the circus if we’re losing Marcus.

If LBJ would legit get traded this would be the biggest NBA summer ever by a good stretch. And they actually should, but won’t.
That depends, if Irving and Durant expressed interest in teaming up on the Lakers, they’d trade LBJ to the Knicks in a cocaine heartbeat. And then use the windfall to find more roleplayers to put around them.
 

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Who's running that team? The front office or Lebron???
Marc Stein reported over the weekend that Lebron's camp had been pushing for Ty Lue to be coach but that the rest of the front office wanted Monty Williams. When Monty took the Phoenix job they were left with having to take Lebron's guy and didn't like the optics of that. You can tell by their offer to Lue that they took a half measure and weren't really negotiating in good faith. Whatever you think of Lue's ability, coaches with his pedigree get 4-5 years and the ability to pick their own staff. Now they are left looking like idiots for failing to get their first and second choices.

If July doesn't bring another superstar I think that's the beginning of the end of Lebron with the Lakers. My gut tells me this won't be a long-term marriage.