I don't quite understand the line of reasoning that says that because someone is physically overmatched they should be allowed to tackle/hit in a way that puts someone else's safety and career at risk. Gronk is a beast; by definition he's a mismatch for whoever's defending him. Mismatches are an integral part of the game. Why should that give defenders license to injure?Nink is much bigger than a DB, he can afford to not tackle at the knees.
Who, exactly, is saying that?I don't quite understand the line of reasoning that says that because someone is physically overmatched they should be allowed to tackle/hit in a way that puts someone else's safety and career at risk. Gronk is a beast; by definition he's a mismatch for whoever's defending him. Mismatches are an integral part of the game. Why should that give defenders license to injure?
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The post to which I replied stated that Nink could "afford" to hit high because he's bigger than a d-back, which to me implied that d-backs can't be expected to tackle high due to the size mis-match. I'm also thinking of quotes I've seen from analysts over the last couple days excusing the hit by saying, "Gronk's too big to tackle high - your only hope is to go for his legs." In the end I agree with those who say it wasn't a dirty play, especially given the trajectory of the throw and the way that Gronk had to turn to try to catch it.Who, exactly, is saying that?
The Alex Gibbs effect.That crap has been going on in Denver for generations. At least since Schlereth.
Whenever the Broncos came to Baltimore, that crap got sorted out in the first few possessions, or they'd go home in body bags. Siragusa, Lewis, et al would not stand for it.
Mike Shanahan brought it over to Denver from San Francisco in the early 1990s. Popularizing the cut block is one of Bill Walsh's darker legacies.That crap has been going on in Denver for generations. At least since Schlereth.
Yep, you should hear Schlereth talk about it. He comes close to laughing whenever he talks about opposing players being so concerned about their knees that they changed their style of play. He talks about how they hated playing Denver. He comes close to admitting that due to his size he never would have lasted in the league without this technique.That crap has been going on in Denver for generations. At least since Schlereth.
Got a bone bruise on my lateral femoral condyle a few years back. Hurt like hell. I'm a distance runner and couldn't run or walk. Got checked out by same guys that deal with the Colts in Indianapolis. They put a 1/4 inch medial wedge in the heel of my shoe and BAM. Pain free. Are we assuming this is the injury and the treatment? And yes the bone bruise was on an MRI over a year later.No, it's a real thing. Bone has a blood supply, and if you hit it hard enough it will bleed internally, which causes pain. The bone bruise actually lingers on the MRI a lot longer than the symptoms do, so you just treat it according to pain and function.
Same spectrum of injury, not the same treatment. Would that it were that easy...Got a bone bruise on my lateral femoral condyle a few years back. Hurt like hell. I'm a distance runner and couldn't run or walk. Got checked out by same guys that deal with the Colts in Indianapolis. They put a 1/4 inch medial wedge in the heel of my shoe and BAM. Pain free. Are we assuming this is the injury and the treatment? And yes the bone bruise was on an MRI over a year later.
I need Some Reciepts DRS......My FSA is asking questions.Same spectrum of injury, not the same treatment. Would that it were that easy...
Who did you see in Indy?
St. Vincent Sport PerformanceSame spectrum of injury, not the same treatment. Would that it were that easy...
Who did you see in Indy?
My gut is telling me that we're not seeing Gronk until the playoffs, maybe week 16 or 17 if they're fighting for a bye.
I half suspect this is to get the official message out, with both parties on point, so to avoid any mis-speaking or bullshit about what his injury is, and if the Patriots are fucking with injury reports when they list him/don't list him after he participates in practice, or doesn't, or whatever, or if one of his brothers says one thing but the team says another, etc...Interesting that it's a joint release between team and family. My guess is team (BB) wanted nothing to do with this but family wanted info out and forced them into it. Why the family wanted this, I do not know.
Curran had a piece about this today, as he suspected that Gronk's people are the sources of the leaks about Gronk's health prior to this statement. The whole piece is worth a read, but here's one section:Interesting that it's a joint release between team and family. My guess is team (BB) wanted nothing to do with this but family wanted info out and forced them into it. Why the family wanted this, I do not know.
A loooooong time ago, Bill Belichick shared in a press conference his philosophy on estimating the length of time a player would be out.
The gist of what he said: “If we say it’s four weeks and it turns out to be six, then everyone’s blaming the guy for not getting back faster. If we say it’s four and it winds up being two, then we rushed him back”
So who, then, is setting the timetable for Gronk’s return in this instance? Probably Gronk Inc.
Gronk Inc. would consist of his agents, Drew Rosenhaus and Jason Rosenhaus, and Gronk’s immediate family: Gordie Gronkowski, his dad, and any of his brothers who also played in the league.
I called Rosenhaus and left a message for him Monday. He hasn’t called back.
So is it a bad thing if Gronk Inc. is calling the shots and not the Patriots? My take is not hot. I don’t know.
The leaking info to the press, the attempts to control when Gronk could play when coming back from his surgeries.In what way?
About as good as me going back to my ex wife.What's the chance BB trades Gronk in the offseason?
My guess is it's higher than that.About as good as me going back to my ex wife.
Please tell us why BB would trade the biggest mismatch in the NFL and best tight end in the game in the prime of his career on a very team friendly contract.My guess is it's higher than that.
It's about risk and return. If the risk is not only injury, but also bubble wrap Gronk for significant portion of the regular reason when he is 90% healthy, then if the return is high enough... It's a business. I have the impression that BB treats everyone as part of the business, regardless of popularity and/or sentimentality. Everything in this business is about risk and return.Care to expand on why you feel their is a chance? Once you do, can you expand on why or how you feel BB would?
Yeah, definitely agree. This has agent / family written all over it. It's different, but at the end of the day though, we receive hall of fame level production from this guy. I imagine Belichick gladly puts up with some goofy branding/public relations bullshit for the performance on the field.This is really weird when compared to how every other injury situation is handled by the Pats.
Definitely different than we have seen before, but considering the statement was put out jointly by team gronk and the Pats, I'd guess they're ok with the videogram.Gronk now has a video up saying that he's week-to-week and he'll be back when he's "100 percent." I don't think we'll see him before the playoffs. This is really weird when compared to how every other injury situation is handled by the Pats.
It's not a license to injure. There are a ton of hits at the knees and below that don't result in injuries all the time. Tackling is an integral part of the game, too.I don't quite understand the line of reasoning that says that because someone is physically overmatched they should be allowed to tackle/hit in a way that puts someone else's safety and career at risk. Gronk is a beast; by definition he's a mismatch for whoever's defending him. Mismatches are an integral part of the game. Why should that give defenders license to injure?
I just saw the replay of the Hightower injury; he's lucky it wasn't more serious, that was a grade A fucking cheap shot, Green dove at his knees and like you said, Hightower had his head up and was chasing the ball carrier, never saw it coming..One thing not mentioned much is the Kubiak-special cut block by TE Virgil Green on Hightower that damaged his knee. Those hits are just as bad as the DB missile shots. A guy is moving down the line after a ball carrier with his head up and the blocker drops low an launches at his knees.
I think after the debacle with Gronk's arm, his family felt like Gronkowski might have been pressured into returning early, perhaps in part by speculative time tables that had him returning sooner. There have been reports that "he might just miss 1-2 weeks" or "it's a pain management thing," statements which might raise questions or criticisms if Gronk isn't back in the next couple games. The team and player are issuing a joint statement that they're going to manage this prudently, ignore whatcha heard.Interesting that it's a joint release between team and family. My guess is team (BB) wanted nothing to do with this but family wanted info out and forced them into it. Why the family wanted this, I do not know.
I love on-field enforcement for stuff like this.That crap has been going on in Denver for generations. At least since Schlereth.
Whenever the Broncos came to Baltimore, that crap got sorted out in the first few possessions, or they'd go home in body bags. Siragusa, Lewis, et al would not stand for it.