The Game Goat Thread: Wk. 7 vs Chicago

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What an embarrassing performance. With a chance for BB to surpass Halas at home, pretty much everyone laid an egg. We practically have a trip of goats:
  • Terrible INT by Mac
  • Turnstile that was Trent Brown
  • Zappe doing nothing after going up 14-10 (his height will continue to be a problem moving forward)
  • Horrible tackling all around
  • Giving up huge 3rd down conversions one after another
  • Holes in the ST coverage
What a reality check. This is pretty deflating after 2 good wins but perhaps we just got overly excited after beating the terrible Browns & Lions.

Next game vs the Jets will be absolutely huge.
 
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It might be easier to list the players that deserved better than tonight.

But yeah, this looked like a team with problems in the front 7 and O-Line. Getting gashed practically at will by Justin Fields is just something that shouldn’t happen.
 
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Mike Reiss: One thing about football: You usually get what you deserve. Patriots get blasted by the Bears, the only team that came to play with a purpose tonight.

1. The coaching staff. The defensive game plan was terrible and there were no adjustments.
2. The players. The Patriots got their asses kicked all over the field in all phases of the game.
3. Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe. Both were atrocious. People are going to say Zappe was good at times, but he turned the ball over 3 times, had 4 passes batted at the line, and his 30 yard TD to Meyers was a terribly thrown ball that nearly missed the wide open Meyers. Mac, for his part, chucked one up for grabs for a predictable pick, the single worst thing either of them did.
 
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Everyone.

The Pats now have the worst of both worlds: a QB controversy where both guys stunk and a terrible, embarrassing loss where they didn’t do a single thing right.

This was inexcusable. 8 1/2 point favorites and they got run off the field by a shitty team.
 
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Very uncharacteristic for a BB team. Inexcusable penalties, poor tackling, multiple 3rd and longs just given up, and the special teams sucks (at least the punting unit). What happened to the discipline and doing one’s job? I think a lot of this is on the coaches. I wasn’t expecting much this year but it would be nice if they can figure out if Zappe or Jones is serviceable going forward.
 
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Preacher said:
Very uncharacteristic for a BB team. Inexcusable penalties, poor tackling, multiple 3rd and longs just given up, and the special teams sucks (at least the punting unit). What happened to the discipline and doing one’s job? I think a lot of this is on the coaches. I wasn’t expecting much this year but it would be nice if they can figure out if Zappe or Jones is serviceable going forward.
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I'm squarely back on Team Jones. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt in his first game after the injury.
 
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Another thing: Zappe was AWFUL tonight. Don’t let anyone tell you differently.
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He wasn’t great.

But is it Tom Brady or bust for a rookie 4th round QB coming off the bench? Wow. I want him to start next week because I’m tired of Mac’s balloon throws and three-and-outs getting this team behind early,
 
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Judon, Parker, Rhamondre and Thornton were good. Everyone else, including the coaches, should be running sprints under the lights all night, Miracle-style.
 
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i don’t know what on earth they were doing out there. All you have to do is keep fields in the pocket

the hideous performance by the d was likely a big reason for the quick hook at qb
 
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He wasn’t great.

But is it Tom Brady or bust for a rookie 4th round QB coming off the bench? Wow. I want him to start next week because I’m tired of Mac’s balloon throws and three-and-outs getting this team behind early,
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What I said and what you said don’t necessarily conflict.

People are going to try to excuse Zappe’s shitty night. Don’t buy it.
 
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View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1584742353763729409?s=20&t=CmsSq_mFHqL9_lHeLKcCyQ

Mike Reiss: One thing about football: You usually get what you deserve. Patriots get blasted by the Bears, the only team that came to play with a purpose tonight.

1. The coaching staff. The defensive game plan was terrible and there were no adjustments.
2. The players. The Patriots got their asses kicked all over the field in all phases of the game.
3. Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe. Both were atrocious. People are going to say Zappe was good at times, but he turned the ball over 3 times, had 4 passes batted at the line, and his 30 yard TD to Meyers was a terribly thrown ball that nearly missed the wide open Meyers. Mac, for his part, chucked one up for grabs for a predictable pick, the single worst thing either of them did.
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Zappe was bad but that was just a horrible job of tracking the ball by Meyers. Zappe lead him to an easy TD away from any defenders and Meyers literally spun around only to catch it exactly where we started his spin. If Meyers just continues to the corner he catches it with ease. That is 100% on Meyers for making it way harder than it should have been.
 
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Zappe was not very good tonight. He did lead the team to 14 points, but that second half was bad. The tipped balls were maddening and his last interception was just a terrible pass.
Run defense.
Brown.
Coaching.
Mac for his typical turnover, but at least he was a good teammate.
 
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I think the GOAT, Bill Belichick, deserves some game goat action tonight.

1. Dubious decision to rush Mac back, and then destroy his confidence after a pathetic start.
2. His entire coaching staff looked overmatched tonight -- offense, defense and, worst of all, special teams.
3. Players were not ready to play tonight. That's on the head coach.

I don't know what else to offer. Patriots tonight did not look like a Bill Belichick-coached team.
 
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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Another thing: Zappe was AWFUL tonight. Don’t let anyone tell you differently.
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Zappe:
1. Nearly missed a wide open Meyers on a play that will go into the books as a positive play for him, but was really a terrible play saved by Meyers.
2. Was 1 for 3 in terms of hitting the target on deep balls, though the one was admittedly a very good throw, the other two were bad misses. The Meyers TD counts as a miss.
3. Caused a turnover by fucking up a handoff.
4. Had 4 passes batted at the line, one of which got picked. There's a tendency to excuse the QB for picks on tipped balls, but if you are getting that many batted at the line, there is eventually going to be a pick.
5. Threw a very poor ball on his second pick. Just put it softly out there to be picked.

The one bad thing he did not do: just chuck one up for grabs under pressure. But Mac did that.
 
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They lost on both sides in the trenches. The line play was terrible. The LBs were nonexistent. Burn the film and move on.
 
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Eddie Jurak said:
1. The coaching staff. The defensive game plan was terrible and there were no adjustments.
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That's not really true. They started the game in zone. That got shredded. They switched to man. Fields shredded that. Then they started spying Fields and forced some FGs. They don't have the talent at DL and LB to sustain the loss of Barmore and Duggar.
 
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The fact that a couple guys being out signals wholesale defensive collapse is a big indictment of the piss-poor front 7 talent. They can usually stop the run well enough but it can’t keep being Judon + jags out there. A guy like Wise is FINE but that’s all he’ll ever be and you need more dynamism at these positions than they have. That’s why Barmore wrecking from the interior last year felt like such a revelation.

A good OL and playcalling can easily handle one good pass rusher if everyone else out there is just occupying space. There’s just not much talent in that group.
 
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Jed Zeppelin said:
The fact that a couple guys being out signals wholesale defensive collapse is a big indictment of the piss-poor front 7 talent. They can usually stop the run well enough but it can’t keep being Judon + jags out there. A guy like Wise is FINE but that’s all he’ll ever be and you need more dynamism at these positions than they have. That’s why Barmore wrecking from the interior last year felt like such a revelation.

A good OL and playcalling can easily handle one good pass rusher if everyone else out there is just occupying space. There’s just not much talent in that group.
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Agreed. And Dugger cleans up a lot that gets through the defensive front. Without him and Barmore this defense is severely compromised…especially with terrible linebackers. The need to sign Roquan Smith he was terrific tonight.
 
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The fact that a couple guys being out signals wholesale defensive collapse is a big indictment of the piss-poor front 7 talent. They can usually stop the run well enough but it can’t keep being Judon + jags out there. A guy like Wise is FINE but that’s all he’ll ever be and you need more dynamism at these positions than they have. That’s why Barmore wrecking from the interior last year felt like such a revelation.

A good OL and playcalling can easily handle one good pass rusher if everyone else out there is just occupying space. There’s just not much talent in that group.
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They paid Godchaux like he is an elite DL.
 
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Offensive line. Unable to consistently get any push in the running game, or protect. Obvious special mention for Brown for his idiotic penalties, but they all sucked.

Linebackers- just not enough speed or athleticism to deal with a running QB like Fields. Gap discipline, pursuit angles, and tackling were dreadful all night.

Bailey- a complete liability now. Gotta cut him, and see if they can find another option. His wounded ducks are putting them in too many bad field position situations.

Coaching- a terrible job coming up with a game plan to minimize Fields running ability. Some of it is personnel , but it has been an Achilles heal for years on end now. I’m not as bothered by BB’s handling of the QBs as others are, but he the staff failed completely in both preparation and in game adjustments in this one. Bury the ball, hopefully get healthy, and ramp up for the Jets on a short week. This next one feels the one the season hinges on, in terms of making any kind of a run to the playoffs.
 
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Trent Brown being so bad tonight really sets off a lot of alarm bells. He has a history of becoming disengaged and playing poorly, which is how he keeps finding his way back to the Pats. If he's going to half-ass his way through the year, they have a serious problem.

Jake Bailey's either got to go on IR or get waived. He really hurt them tonight.

The entire coaching staff really spit the bit. It's one thing to be unable to deal with Fields's running, but constantly leaving guys so wide open in the middle of the field that even Fields could spot them and get the ball to them is ridiculous. And the way the QBs were handled made no sense. Bailey Zappe didn't know Mac was starting until the media reports saying that came out? And BB saying tonight that Mac would've gotten more run if the score hadn't gotten out of hand is bizarre. Mac was clearly struggling to re-adjust to game action -- isn't a blowout situation the BEST time to throw him in and let him get a drive or two in against a disinterested defense?

I'm curious to see what magic they can possibly come up with this week to avoid being pummeled by the Jets.
 
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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Another thing: Zappe was AWFUL tonight. Don’t let anyone tell you differently.
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Can we at least acknowledge the fact that he wasn't given a chance to fully prepare for this game? The two games where he's gotten the first team reps he's looked good, the two games where he's needed to come in for others, he's looked terrible. Might be too much to ask of a rookie. Coaches get a lot of blame in how they handled this.
 
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FL4WL3SS said:
Can we at least acknowledge the fact that he wasn't given a chance to fully prepare for this game? The two games where he's gotten the first team reps he's looked good, the two games where he's needed to come in for others, he's looked terrible. Might be too much to ask of a rookie. Coaches get a lot of blame in how they handled this.
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Absolutely. At the same time, it was the first game back for a 2nd year QB as well.
 
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Whoever decided to give one guy first-team reps and then play the other guy
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ponch73 said:
I think the GOAT, Bill Belichick, deserves some game goat action tonight.

1. Dubious decision to rush Mac back, and then destroy his confidence after a pathetic start.
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FL4WL3SS said:
Can we at least acknowledge the fact that he wasn't given a chance to fully prepare for this game? The two games where he's gotten the first team reps he's looked good, the two games where he's needed to come in for others, he's looked terrible. Might be too much to ask of a rookie. Coaches get a lot of blame in how they handled this.
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All of this. Why wouldn't you just let Zappe prepare with the first team and get the start if you were going to give Mac such a short leash? Now we have the worst of both worlds - Mac is probably in his own head, Zappe was thrown to the wolves, and the team doesn't know who their QB is.
 
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I’m not thrilled with some of the chattyness coming from the locker room this year, but at the same time, I wonder if those comments are a red flag about Bill’s control and statute in there. It’s been nearly 4 years since the last playoff win, and very guys left on the team from back then. Nobody is bullet-proof forever, and wonder if he is losing his grip on the room a little bit.
 
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cornwalls@6 said:
I’m not thrilled with some of the chattyness coming from the locker room this year, but at the same time, I wonder if those comments are a red flag about Bill’s control and statute in there. It’s been nearly 4 years since the last playoff win, and very guys left on the team from back then. Nobody is bullet-proof forever, and wonder if he is losing his grip on the room a little bit.
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Now that is a take. They hate their coach!
 
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Very uncharacteristic for a BB team. Inexcusable penalties, poor tackling, multiple 3rd and longs just given up, and the special teams sucks (at least the punting unit). What happened to the discipline and doing one’s job? I think a lot of this is on the coaches. I wasn’t expecting much this year but it would be nice if they can figure out if Zappe or Jones is serviceable going forward.
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It's been characteristic for a while now. This team is mediocre and will give you the up and down performances that a mediocre team will give you. I'm not sure why anyone was surprised.

BB may get his Shula wins but he's going to have to work for it. Because he's putting about the same amount of dung on the field as Tom is in his legacy-chasing tour.
 
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Salva135 said:
[QUOTE="Preacher, post: 5234956, member: 22806"]
Very uncharacteristic for a BB team. Inexcusable penalties, poor tackling, multiple 3rd and longs just given up, and the special teams sucks (at least the punting unit). What happened to the discipline and doing one’s job? I think a lot of this is on the coaches. I wasn’t expecting much this year but it would be nice if they can figure out if Zappe or Jones is serviceable going forward.
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It's been characteristic for a while now. This team is mediocre and will give you the up and down performances that a mediocre team will give you. I'm not sure why anyone was surprised.

BB may get his Shula wins but he's going to have to work for it. Because he's putting about the same amount of dung on the field as Tom is in his legacy-chasing tour.
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The fucking Jets are ahead of us in the division heading into the end of October. Fucking wrap your head around that.
 
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