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Whoever had the insight, patience and coaching experience who helped revitalize Patterson and Gordon. They were both huge contributors on a night they were needed to be.
 

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Gordon. 5-130 with a TD.
Where can I find the stats on how many times Gilmore was targeted/defended tonight? I've gotta see the numbers to appreciate just how good that performance was.
I don't know the answer to that, but in the postgame on-field interview with Michelle Tafoya, the stats they flashed up for Gilmore were 4 targets, 2 completions for 15 yds.

Probably most telling is that he wasn't targeted very much and he got into a scrap with Adams late in the game, a sign of frustration on Adams' part.
 

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BB for finding market inefficiencies to land Patterson and Gordon now performing like top picks at comparatively cut rates. But one could say that all the time I suppose, so I'll just say Patterson and Gordon.
 

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Bringing in Gilmore when a lot of people would rather have just signed Butler has been one of BB's master strokes as a GM. The former has been a freaking stud and true shutdown corner while the latter has been among the league's worst.
 

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Bringing in Gilmore when a lot of people would rather have just signed Butler has been one of BB's master strokes as a GM. The former has been a freaking stud and true shutdown corner while the latter has been among the league's worst.
Yep hard to argue with that. Now we get to see first hand next week.
Gllmore is going to erase Corey Davis and I imagine Gordon will torch Butler a few times.
 

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I hold my breath every week, but it feels like the "Gordon comeback" story is building momentum and may have room to grow.
 

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If Gordon continues this, I wonder what protection Belichick places on him. First or second round? I’d guess second, because his precarious position of being one slip up away from banishment probably scares most teams away. They might need to worry he’d get like a 1/10 offer, though.
 

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Reports were that just last year he ran a 4.3 40 time for the Browns as he got ready to return to action. So maybe it is just his hamstring.

But still. I’m with you.
His pro day number was 4.5, so I'd take the 4.3 with a grain of salt.
 

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Bringing in Gilmore when a lot of people would rather have just signed Butler has been one of BB's master strokes as a GM. The former has been a freaking stud and true shutdown corner while the latter has been among the league's worst.
Very true. Gilmore was pretty good for the most part last year (after getting acclimated to the new team) and has been pretty dominant this year.
 

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Impact on limited snaps department:
Patterson played 13 offensive snaps last night ... and touched the ball on 12 of them (11 carries, 1 catch)
Dorsett played 12 snaps and had three catches. One was huge - a 3rd-and-7 conversion where Brady hung in amidst pressure and made a low throw that Dorsett made a nice diving catch on. That was right after the fumble; they went on to score that drive and take the lead. They don't convert there, it's a whole new ballgame.
Clayborn played only 17 snaps and had two QB hits (including a half-sack) and three tackles
 

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Guy we traded a 5th round pick for goes 5 for 130 including a 55 yard TD and we're talking about his speed. SMDH, as the kids say.
It's strange to you that speed is a subject matter for a WR?

I mean, I'm extremely happy about Gordon overall, and that play was so enjoyable to watch. But his speed is really not worth talking about in your view? I'm not sure why. Last night was indeed terrific but that Gordon does not seem to have the burner component in his game could be relevant as the season progresses and in the playoffs. Again, I'm a delighted we have this guy, especially at the price (and BB got a earlier round 7 back in exchange for that late round 5, so the deal is even better than you noted). But why Goron's speed merits whatever that acronym means is kind of weird to me.
 

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I started the "Gordon doesn't have that extra gear anymore" talk in the game thread. I didn't do it to discount what he's brought to the team already. He's a big target, great on the slant, and should be a great option on the sideline back shoulder and the end zone fade/jump ball. He's quite not there yet, as we saw on the fourth down snafu on the left side of the end zone after the CP TD run was overturned. BTW, i like that lob play a lot better on the right side. It seems like it's easier for the QB to drop the ball in the bucket when not having to throw across his body. Gordon lost his footing on that particular play, so it was tough to tell if the throw was there.

He just doesn't have that extra gear he seemed to have in Cleveland when he was averaging 17 ypc and getting over 1000 yards. He doesn't need it to be effective here, but it certainly would be nice if he could get it back. Being able to take the top off a secondary, especially with underneath weapons like JE and Gronk, is a great weapon. I don't know if it's the hammy, or if he's just a hair slower now that he's older and has missed a lot of time. If he does get that extra gear back, those 14 yard gains on quick slants can turn into game breaking 70 yard TDs.

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Gordon is still averaging 18 yards per catch.

It will be interesting to see what his speed looks like after the bye week. FWIW, it's likely he's still learning some aspects of the offense, and seems to be taking the approach that making difficult catches when called upon is more important than outrunning the secondary for the home run all the time.
 

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He's fast enough, gets separation, and although he has some miscommunications still his route running looks decent. I am very happy with Gordon. Would have been cool to see Gordon, Cooks, Jules, and Gronk on the field at the same time.
 

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He's clearly not as fast as he was in Cleveland kind of like how 2007 Moss wasn't running like 1999 Moss. I do think the hamstring is at least part of the reason here. He's been very productive and has 2 of the 4 100 yard receiving games this season (Gronk in Week 1 and Edelman last week are the others). I don't think there's a single person who's disappointed in what Gordon has provided to-date.
 

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I think you really need to go to the coaches film to judge Gordon's speed. Maybe there are plays where he's breaking free but the pass protection is breaking down and Brady doesn't have a chance to get it to him. Maybe he's not running so many fly routes. Who knows without dissecting game film really.

That said:
He's 10th in the NFL in targeted air yards at 15 TAY. That's ahead of Brandin Cooks, Mike Evans, Tyreek Hill, Julio Jones, AJ Green and he's at 18 yds/catch. To me that suggests he's got speed.

Edit- I wouldn't consider many of these catches Gordon taking the top off the defense. Lol @ Chris Conte btw.

 
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By the way, and this seems to happen every year but here we go again.... The Patriots are #4 in the NFL in points scored, and #11 in points allowed. Creeping up both rankings.
 

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And we may not get much higher in pts scored (or we might if Gronk gets healthy and we get a functional Michel). Which is ok.
Seems like this year teams are scoring like crazy but also giving up huge points (Ahem KC, NO, Indy, TB)


KC is 1st in PF and 20th (25per) in points against
NO is 2nd in PF and 27th (27per) in points against
Indy is 6th in PF and 25th (26.6per) in points against
TB is 7th in PF and 32nd (34.4) in points against
Atl is 8th in PF and 29th (28) in points against
Pitt is 9th in PF and 15th (23.5) in points against
Cinnci is 10th PF and 30th (29.6) in points against

Teams that seem to buck that trend (at least in the top 10) are
Rams (33.2 for and 22.2 against) 3rd PF
Chicago (who we beat) (29.4 for, 19.1 against) 5th PF
Pats (30 for, 22.4 against) 4th PF
Pitt (kinda)

So its feast or famine (or maybe "feast for them and feast for us"??) for most of the "Good Offensive teams".
 

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Gilmore, he's just a complete wet blanket out there, smothering whoever you throw him on. Patterson for suddenly becoming a decent RB. And Josh fothermucking Gordon.

Gordon is averaging 18yds/catch (his career high is 18.9). Good for 7th best in the NFL. His game isn't remotely similar to Anquan Boldin's. Also, after last night he's the Pats leading WR by yards... After 6 games. Considering the old trope "The Pats offense is notoriously hard to pick up!" he's been great.
That trope went viral with the Ochocinco Error, but I never truly bought into it. Mostly because anyone watching Chad Johnson here could see that he just didn't have the speed or quickness to get separation anymore.
 

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That's crazy that Aaron Rogers has 1 more career loss on the road than Brady. 38-41 vs 91-40
Absurd stat alert!

Truly a remarkable run for Brady.

What madness, they kept showing the two goats in Brady and Rogers jerseys. Rogers isn't even close.

I think they showed the "5 HoF QB's" stat, of the record of each QB v. the other 5 (Rogers, Big Ben, Brees, P. Manning?) and while Brady was like 60-ish% win percentage, only 2 others had over 50%...and with the loss last night, Rogers is either at or below 50% today. (edit: I don't actually recall Brady's win %)
 

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By the way, and this seems to happen every year but here we go again.... The Patriots are #4 in the NFL in points scored, and #11 in points allowed. Creeping up both rankings.
Pats are also 7th in opposing passer rating despite all of the complaints about the D. 3rd in opposing completion %. 6th in YPA. T-4th for most picks.
 

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Pats are also 7th in opposing passer rating despite all of the complaints about the D. 3rd in opposing completion %. 6th in YPA. T-4th for most picks.
A few people were trying to make this point in the game thread last night, but what we saw last night is what really good defense looks like in the NFL in 2018. It's harder to play defense now then it was 10, 15, 20 years ago. Good offenses and especially good QBs are going to have success moving the ball and are going to score points.

Anyone looking at a defense's performance in 2018 and judging it in the same way that you'd measure a defensive success from years past is going to be disappointed. There has been a drastic change to the grading curve over the past decade plus. So in historical context does this defense suck, yes, yes it does. But if you apply reasonable expectations based on today's standards then I think the Pats defense falls in the top 3rd of the league. They arn't the best defense in the NFL by any means, but based on their peers they appear to be above average and the stats back this up.
 

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NFL passing averages by team per game

2001: 205.8 yards, 59.0%, 78.5 rating
2007: 214.3 yards, 61.2%, 82.6 rating
2011: 229.7 yards, 60.1%, 84.3 rating
2014: 236.8 yards, 62.6%, 88.9 rating
2018: 251.1 yards, 64.8%, 93.9 rating

So in Brady's career, the average NFL passing offense has increased by:

45.3 yards per game
5.8% completion
15.4 points of passer rating

That's incredible. As a point of reference, that's 17 years' time between 2001 and 2018. 17 years prior to 2001, the numbers were:

1984: 205.9 yards, 56.4%, 76.1 rating
2001: 205.8 yards, 59.0%, 78.5 rating
2018: 251.1 yards, 64.8%, 93.9 rating

The difference between 1984 and 2001 just isn't very much. But look at the difference between 2001 and 2018. Holy smokes how times have changed.

So yeah I totally agree. Expectations need to change.
 

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Absurd stat alert!

Truly a remarkable run for Brady.

What madness, they kept showing the two goats in Brady and Rogers jerseys. Rogers isn't even close.

I think they showed the "5 HoF QB's" stat, of the record of each QB v. the other 5 (Rogers, Big Ben, Brees, P. Manning?) and while Brady was like 60-ish% win percentage, only 2 others had over 50%...and with the loss last night, Rogers is either at or below 50% today. (edit: I don't actually recall Brady's win %)
That Rodgers 38-41 career road record astounds me. Here are the other 4 guys they showed last night:

Brady: 91-40
Manning: 85-48
Roethlisberger: 64-40
Brees: 68-61

Rodgers' record doesn't come close to matching up with his peers.
 

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A few people were trying to make this point in the game thread last night, but what we saw last night is what really good defense looks like in the NFL in 2018. It's harder to play defense now then it was 10, 15, 20 years ago. Good offenses and especially good QBs are going to have success moving the ball and are going to score points.

Anyone looking at a defense's performance in 2018 and judging it in the same way that you'd measure a defensive success from years past is going to be disappointed. There has been a drastic change to the grading curve over the past decade plus. So in historical context does this defense suck, yes, yes it does. But if you apply reasonable expectations based on today's standards then I think the Pats defense falls in the top 3rd of the league. They arn't the best defense in the NFL by any means, but based on their peers they appear to be above average and the stats back this up.
I've been negative nelly on the D over the past couple years and I agree. They've been more good than bad. Even the KC game wasn't that bad considering the spots the O / ST put them in at times. They've forced at least one turnover every week. The GB offense is only average, but holding anyone to 17 points is good.

The hurdle for them left is playing well on the road: their three worst games by expected points were Jacksonville, Chicago, and Detroit, all road games. They played great on the road against Buffalo two weeks ago, but that Bills O looks historically bad. Fortunately, their four remaining road games at @TEN (30th scoring O), @ NYJ (22nd), @ MIA (24th), and @ PIT (9th). So they really only face one strong offense on the road this year.
 

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NFL passing averages by team per game

2001: 205.8 yards, 59.0%, 78.5 rating
2007: 214.3 yards, 61.2%, 82.6 rating
2011: 229.7 yards, 60.1%, 84.3 rating
2014: 236.8 yards, 62.6%, 88.9 rating
2018: 251.1 yards, 64.8%, 93.9 rating

So in Brady's career, the average NFL passing offense has increased by:

45.3 yards per game
5.8% completion
15.4 points of passer rating

That's incredible. As a point of reference, that's 17 years' time between 2001 and 2018. 17 years prior to 2001, the numbers were:

1984: 205.9 yards, 56.4%, 76.1 rating
2001: 205.8 yards, 59.0%, 78.5 rating
2018: 251.1 yards, 64.8%, 93.9 rating

The difference between 1984 and 2001 just isn't very much. But look at the difference between 2001 and 2018. Holy smokes how times have changed.

So yeah I totally agree. Expectations need to change.
To pile on here, I looked quickly at scoring defense from last year, 2017, and 2001.
Last year the Vikings lead the league in scoring defense at 15.8 pts/gm. There were 8 teams that finished the year under 20 pts/gm
In 2001, the league leader was at 12.7 pts/gm. 15 teams finished the year under 20 pts/gm.

Also in 2001, 15 defenses held teams to under 200 passing yards per game. In 2017 only 3 defenses had a pass yards per game average below 200.

This was just a quick glance, but what's interesting is that it seems that playing defense that is 'good' in historical context is not necessarily impossible in today's NFL, but it's much harder. Regardless though, even if it is possible to still have a defense that stacks up against a good 2001 defense, the middle has shifted dramatically. Offenses move the ball in the league today, especially through the air and they score points.
Game threads are never going to be rational, so I don't expect an expectations change there. But in calmer times when evaluating the Pats defense a different lense is now required.
 

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I was really impressed with the team in general. If you made a list of the top offensive players on this team, isn't Gronk second, Mason in the top five at least, and Michel in the top 10? Getting the job done without those three guys is impressive.
This had to be the best performance by the DL all year, the Green Bay line is pretty good and they really got after Rodgers last night.
 

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Looking back on last night, but does David Bakhtiari #69 on the Packers have a false start on almost every play? I'll rewatch the game on TV, but at the game he always seems .5 seconds early. He's up in his stance by the time the ball is snapped. Maybe he's just super quick, but it seemed to happen all the time.
 

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I’m allowed to say that Gordon has been excellent while at the same time pointing out that his speed isn’t what I thought it would be.
That's how I read your original post. I thought Gordon would be faster too but we'll see if the extra gear does get kicked off once the hamstring completely heals.
 

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Whoever had the insight, patience and coaching experience who helped revitalize Patterson and Gordon. They were both huge contributors on a night they were needed to be.
After the game, James White said that Patterson has continued to improve during practice running the ball. He may continue to be a contributor at that spot even with Michel's return.
 

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Bringing in Gilmore when a lot of people would rather have just signed Butler has been one of BB's master strokes as a GM. The former has been a freaking stud and true shutdown corner while the latter has been among the league's worst.
We'll see the difference this Sunday at Tennessee!
 

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Another way to look at it (at least if you squint).

Dallas has the best PPG defense in the league at 17.6

Last night the job the Pats did to Rodgers and the 14th (so avg NFL) ranked offense was the equivalent to what the best defense in the league would do.
 

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That's how I read your original post. I thought Gordon would be faster too but we'll see if the extra gear does get kicked off once the hamstring completely heals.
I think the discussion should be if we *assumed* he was faster than he actually was. His pro day speed is obviously fast, but it's not NFL speed demon fast.

The average NFL WR is 4.55, Gordon was 4.52.

The report of a 4.3 last year I don't buy. The change from 4.52 to 4.3 is equivalent to the difference between Gordon (on pro day) and an average NFL OLB or TE.
 

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I would be concerned with speed if it were in the context of underperformance. He's getting open, has great hands, a massive catch radius, and significant strength advantage over nearly everyone who might guard him. Actually not far off from what I'd expect had we ever acquired Fitz.
 

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That Rodgers 38-41 career road record astounds me. Here are the other 4 guys they showed last night:

Brady: 91-40
Manning: 85-48
Roethlisberger: 64-40
Brees: 68-61

Rodgers' record doesn't come close to matching up with his peers.
I thought the graphic yesterday was the head-to-head matchup between those 5 qb's (as a totally separate question from career road record). The number of games was way lower, obviously.
 

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I thought the graphic yesterday was the head-to-head matchup between those 5 qb's (as a totally separate question from career road record). The number of games was way lower, obviously.
Yup, it was. I was responding to the post who mentioned the road records, which was mentioned in this thread and not during the game. During the game, they showed a graphic of how Brady/Rodgers/Manning/Brees/Rapistburger have done against each other. Brady is now 20-11 whereas everyone else was like .500 or so.

I was just amazed at how a QB as good as Rodgers could have a sub .500 road record. That's insane to me. And it's not like he's played poorly. His career road passer rating is 98.7.
 

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And it's not like he's played poorly. His career road passer rating is 98.7.
So the implication is he has had bad teams/coaches.

So BB could have won 6 Sbs with Rodgers <Ducking!>

Seriously though Rodgers, like his predecessor has alot of gunslinger in him. Which is good sometimes and bad sometimes. That and he is made of Glass. I dont think I have ever watched a GB game he has played in that there hasnt been a replay of a sack or near sack followed by a grimace or shaking his hand/arm or slowly getting to his feet.

While I am sure that Brady has been blessed to have have BB, the fact that Brady started as a "Game manager" and understood the importance of protecting the ball and that he is one tough SOB is also a big part of the reason for his amazing record against all those other HOFers.
 

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Yup, it was. I was responding to the post who mentioned the road records, which was mentioned in this thread and not during the game. During the game, they showed a graphic of how Brady/Rodgers/Manning/Brees/Rapistburger have done against each other. Brady is now 20-11 whereas everyone else was like .500 or so.

I was just amazed at how a QB as good as Rodgers could have a sub .500 road record. That's insane to me. And it's not like he's played poorly. His career road passer rating is 98.7.
So excellent that the lesser Manning is not in the list of “likely HOF QBs”. Can we judge from the networks that they are revising public opinion?
 

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Looking back on last night, but does David Bakhtiari #69 on the Packers have a false start on almost every play? I'll rewatch the game on TV, but at the game he always seems .5 seconds early. He's up in his stance by the time the ball is snapped. Maybe he's just super quick, but it seemed to happen all the time.
I made the same comment to my brother. His left leg is kicking before the ball is snapped on every single down it seems like.
 

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So the implication is he has had bad teams/coaches.

So BB could have won 6 Sbs with Rodgers <Ducking!>

Seriously though Rodgers, like his predecessor has alot of gunslinger in him. Which is good sometimes and bad sometimes. That and he is made of Glass. I dont think I have ever watched a GB game he has played in that there hasnt been a replay of a sack or near sack followed by a grimace or shaking his hand/arm or slowly getting to his feet.

While I am sure that Brady has been blessed to have have BB, the fact that Brady started as a "Game manager" and understood the importance of protecting the ball and that he is one tough SOB is also a big part of the reason for his amazing record against all those other HOFers.
There may be something to this. Favre is the gunslingiest of them all and he sported a career road record of 73-78. Another HOF gunslinger, Elway, was 53-61 on the road.

Brady: Home 98.7 / Road 96.4
Rodgers: Home 108.6 / Road 98.7
Favre: Home 88.3 / Road 83.9
Elway: Home 85.4 / Road 73.9

Brady is effectively the same QB no matter where he plays but these gunslingers are all notably "worse" on the road. Pretty interesting.
 

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There may be something to this. Favre is the gunslingiest of them all and he sported a career road record of 73-78. Another HOF gunslinger, Elway, was 53-61 on the road.

Brady: Home 98.7 / Road 96.4
Rodgers: Home 108.6 / Road 98.7
Favre: Home 88.3 / Road 83.9
Elway: Home 85.4 / Road 73.9

Brady is effectively the same QB no matter where he plays but these gunslingers are all notably "worse" on the road. Pretty interesting.
Rodgers has the lowest INT% in football history, I wouldn't call him a gunslinger. He's a quarterback who thrives off script, but he absolutely isn't reckless. I don't know how playing on the road would affect that kind of player more than your Brady/Manning style QB.
 

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Rodgers has the lowest INT% in football history, I wouldn't call him a gunslinger. He's a quarterback who thrives off script, but he absolutely isn't reckless. I don't know how playing on the road would affect that kind of player more than your Brady/Manning style QB.
I honestly don’t know but a guy like him should not have a sub .500 road record so I find it to be interesting. Does Mike McCarthy coach better at home or something? It’s just weird to me.
 

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Many great efforts. Coradarelle. TB12. Gordon. Gilmore. McDaniels.

And Aaron Rodgers, the most talented QB in the history of the NFL who TB12 should look up to for his arm strength and mobility, is now 38-41 in his career on the road. 38-41.
Not to mention, he is now 0-42 against teams with a winning record when he is more than 1 point behind in the fourth quarter. Guy has literally never had a big fourth quarter comeback against a good team.
 

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Jason McCourty had two nice plays in the second half that deserve a little love.
 

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Not to mention, he is now 0-42 against teams with a winning record when he is more than 1 point behind in the fourth quarter. Guy has literally never had a big fourth quarter comeback against a good team.
2011-2014 Rodgers was likely the best 4 year stretch of QB play the NFL has ever seen, he was a machine in that period. But the sneaky truth is since 2014 he hasn't actually lived up to the standards he set at the beggining of his career. He's still elite at avoiding interceptions, and his TD% is very good (the fact that they never seem to run the ball near the goal line helps a bit), but his completion percentage and especially yards per attempt have been way down from his peak. His Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt is a full yard lower than Brady's in that period, which is why I don't really understand why he's gotten so much love as the GOAT lately, when since 2014 Brady has added two Super Bowl rings, an MVP and has soundly outperformed Rodgers statistically. I don't think he's having a particularly good 2018, either (neither is Brady, but I see that being mentioned a lot more than I do regarding Rodgers).
 

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2011-2014 Rodgers was likely the best 4 year stretch of QB play the NFL has ever seen, he was a machine in that period. But the sneaky truth is since 2014 he hasn't actually lived up to the standards he set at the beggining of his career. He's still elite at avoiding interceptions, and his TD% is very good (the fact that they never seem to run the ball near the goal line helps a bit), but his completion percentage and especially yards per attempt have been way down from his peak. His Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt is a full yard lower than Brady's in that period, which is why I don't really understand why he's gotten so much love as the GOAT lately, when since 2014 Brady has added two Super Bowl rings, an MVP and has soundly outperformed Rodgers statistically. I don't think he's having a particularly good 2018, either (neither is Brady, but I see that being mentioned a lot more than I do regarding Rodgers).
To this point, from 2015-2018:

Rodgers: 1100-1747 (63.0%), 12,466 yds (7.1 y/a), 102 td (5.8%), 22 int (1.3%), 7.7 ay/a, 98.5 rating
- 2 Pro Bowls
- 0 MVPs
- 0 Conference Championships
- 0 Super Bowl titles
- 0 Super Bowl MVPs

Brady: 1299-1967 (66.0%), 15,395 yds (7.8 y/a), 113 td (5.8%), 24 int (1.2%), 8. 4 ay/a, 103.8 rating
- 3 Pro Bowls
- 1 MVPs
- 3 Conference Championships
- 2 Super Bowl titles
- 2 Super Bowl MVPs

Wow that's amazing actually. At age 38-41, Brady has soundly outperformed Rodgers' age 32-35.
 

Kliq

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I know Rodgers is great; but I’ve never seen a player where everyone in the media is so ready to make excuses for. His coach sucks, his defense sucks, the O line sucks, the play calling sucks, his receivers suck, his receivers are hurt, just nothing ever goes right for him. Yesterday in an article I read on The Ringer, someone wrote “For the second week in a row, Aaron Rodgers was denied a chance at winning by a teammate fumbling.” I guess they were talking about the Jones fumble; which of course skips over the fact that Rodgers got the ball back twice in the fourth quarter after the fumble and didn’t do squat.
 

rodderick

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I know Rodgers is great; but I’ve never seen a player where everyone in the media is so ready to make excuses for. His coach sucks, his defense sucks, the O line sucks, the play calling sucks, his receivers suck, his receivers are hurt, just nothing ever goes right for him. Yesterday in an article I read on The Ringer, someone wrote “For the second week in a row, Aaron Rodgers was denied a chance at winning by a teammate fumbling.” I guess they were talking about the Jones fumble; which of course skips over the fact that Rodgers got the ball back twice in the fourth quarter after the fumble and didn’t do squat.
Remember when the Packers lost to the Seahawks in the 2014 NFCCG and everyone blamed Brandon Bostick for not coming up with the onside kick? The Packers defense forced 5 turnovers that game and had drives that started at the Seattle 19, the Seattle 23, and the Seattle 33 yards lines, and came away with a grand total of 9 points. It should never have come down to an onside kick at the end of the game, but no one placed any blame on Rodgers. It was all on the 3rd string TE. At least when Manning lost the media placed blame on him if he deserved it.