The Game Ball Thread: Week 15 at Pittsburgh

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“No, to be honest with you,” he said. “I think I would have caught the ball and let the coaches and Ben make the decisions, because I’m a receiver, and it’s a pyramid, and I don’t want to say the rest.”

The Steelers did not have Brown, who was injured, or Martavis Bryant on the field for the third-down interception. Bryant wasn’t in the game on second down because he didn’t know the particular play the Steelers chose to call, according to Haley. Because the clock was running, Pittsburgh couldn’t substitute after Heyward-Bey was tackled.

“We don’t want the ball on the field of play there without a timeout,” Haley said. “I’m never going to question Ben or Ben’s decision of thinking Hey-Bey could get out of bounds. But as far as scenario, we’re in an incomplete or out-of-bounds situation. The clock will not be running if things go the way they’re supposed to go. You’re getting the guys on the field for each particular play you want on the field. You’re counting on having three shots at the end zone.”
Man... they just keep talking about the intricacies of this, and it just keeps looking worse and worse for them.

The Bryant situation is why I'm assuming the Pats have their receivers learn every receivers routes. How long has Bryant been with the team now? Get up to speed quickly Britt!

Also, as far as scenario Haley, you weren't in an incomplete or out-of-bounds situation. You forgot one of them, and you didn't plan for it. Thus you end up with the cluster you had at the end.
 

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I don't think Haley forgot one, he was saying that Ben fucked up--it was a throw it away or make sure it's OOB. But if that's the case why did he call a play that works to get the crossing guy open at that part of the field?

But yes, they should always have something ready to go in case that happens.
 

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Just watched the fake spike play again. Is that what a walk-through looks like? Ben, the center and Eli Rogers were the only Steelers actually playing as in a real play. Maybe one or two others. Fortunately, Rowe and Harmon also did for us, McCourty, couple other Pats. The Steelers interior linemen and the Patriots same kind of waltzed with each other. The rest of the players from both sides did look like they were in a walk-through. Weirdest play ever.
 

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Just watched the fake spike play again. Is that what a walk-through looks like? Ben, the center and Eli Rogers were the only Steelers actually playing as in a real play. Maybe one or two others. Fortunately, Rowe and Harmon also did for us, McCourty, couple other Pats. The Steelers interior linemen and the Patriots same kind of waltzed with each other. The rest of the players from both sides did look like they were in a walk-through. Weirdest play ever.
That’s actually typical for fake spikes, even though it’s not ideal. Take, for instance, the famous Marino fake spike, and look at the linemen just standing around:

 

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That’s actually typical for fake spikes, even though it’s not ideal. Take, for instance, the famous Marino fake spike, and look at the linemen just standing around:

Yeah, always think of that one. 1994. Where has the time gone? Still, once it becomes a non-spike play, you’d think more players would react. Maybe there is no defense play call, so guys just don’t know what to do?
 

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I don't think Haley forgot one, he was saying that Ben fucked up--it was a throw it away or make sure it's OOB. But if that's the case why did he call a play that works to get the crossing guy open at that part of the field?

But yes, they should always have something ready to go in case that happens.
One thing I haven't heard chatter about: were the Patriots in a setup that hammered the sideline routes, and basicallly dared/baited Ben into a middle of the field play?
(I'm not smart enough to look at the formations and be able to tell).
 

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That’s actually typical for fake spikes, even though it’s not ideal. Take, for instance, the famous Marino fake spike, and look at the linemen just standing around:

I forgot that Marino didn't actually fake a spike once the ball was snapped, like Ben did. Are the OL standing around as part of the fake, or were they faked too, with just QB and WR in on the fake. It has to be part of the fake.
 

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I forgot that Marino didn't actually fake a spike once the ball was snapped, like Ben did. Are the OL standing around as part of the fake, or were they faked too, with just QB and WR in on the fake. It has to be part of the fake.
The nature of the fake spike is that the offensive team does not have time to have the QB sit in the pocket for five seconds and go through reads, etc. It's a quick-hitter with one option and if it's not there, he's gotta get rid of it. The rest of the offense is not really engaged because they're not part of the play. If the O has time to run a real play, they should run a real play. McCourty and Richards both jumped the slant; at the point Ben hesitated, he had to get rid of it. Instead he tried to wait and force it in there. He almost got sacked, which would have been just as bad as the INT.
 

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I don't get this. Here is an article saying that Ben Roethlisberger and Mike Tomlin are complaining because they never called a timeout after the 69-yard gain, but the referee just presumed on his own they called a timeout because Ben raised his hands.

http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/12/20/steelers-have-new-qualms-with-officials-after-stunning-loss-to-patriots/

Meanwhile, at 6:18 of this video they show Roethlisberger after that play signaling for a timeout seven (7) times:


What the hell is wrong with these people?
 

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That was about the most obvious time out ever. It's especially dumb because the truth is they did everything right. It was a good time out. And then they ran a great play on first and goal. Great call. Great throw. Game winner. Except the receiver had a bad drop.

It would have taken the clock down to probably 15 seconds if they didn't call time out. Only in hindsight would have you say it was a bad time out, because they got stupid after that. Not calling time out there would have been horrible. They are basically saying they wanted to do a dumb thing but the ref saved them.

I wish they were playing a good team this week because they seem not to have moved on.
 

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It's not even that Ben's is saying he didn't call it. He's saying he was asking Tomlin if they should call it. That just beggars belief.

Honestly, if this happened to the Jets everyone (I mean that literally, by the actual, literal definition) would be laughing at them. But the Steelers have this mythical quality in the eyes of so many sports reporters that no seems to question them. It's insane.
 

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They’re desperately trying to shed accountability. First it was finger pointing over who called the fake spike, now this. Part of the reason they can’t get over the “Patriots hump” is there’s virtually no true cohesiveness anywhere on the team. They don’t march to the same beat and it costs them time and time again. Fuck em.
 

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It's not even that Ben's is saying he didn't call it. He's saying he was asking Tomlin if they should call it. That just beggars belief..
Yeah, so if he was asking Tomlin, why was he bouncing around in circles looking around for someone or something? If he was asking Tomlin, he would have looked at the Steelers sideline, and only the Steelers sideline. I am not sure what he was asking BB when he was looking towards the Pats sideline.
IOW, he was looking for a ref, not Tomlin.
 

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Yeah, so if he was asking Tomlin, why was he bouncing around in circles looking around for someone or something? If he was asking Tomlin, he would have looked at the Steelers sideline, and only the Steelers sideline. I am not sure what he was asking BB when he was looking towards the Pats sideline.
IOW, he was looking for a ref, not Tomlin.
i still say Ben started calling timeout. Saw sidelines say no we don’t want it. Then morphs to huddle signal thinks the get away with it. Watch how his hands cup as he progressed in his turn. But refs are tuned to give timeout as soon as possible. So Ben got his timeout.
 

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i still say Ben started calling timeout. Saw sidelines say no we don’t want it. Then morphs to huddle signal thinks the get away with it. Watch how his hands cup as he progressed in his turn. But refs are tuned to give timeout as soon as possible. So Ben got his timeout.
The OL running 70 yards to clock the ball if they hadn't called TO would have been fun to see.
 

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One problem was that Roethlisberger didn't seem to realize the down, did he? He said in interviews "clock it so we get a play" but it was third down---if they clocked it, they were just going to kick the field goal. That is a brutal mistake mentally.
This may tie back to the bizarre expectation that the Steelers apparently had that if the replay review overturned the TD, that the ball would be at the 1 instead of an incomplete pass. Would that have given them a new set of downs? I can’t tell from the NFL Mobile drive chart, but if yes, I could understand where the confusion about downs might have come from.
 

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This may tie back to the bizarre expectation that the Steelers apparently had that if the replay review overturned the TD, that the ball would be at the 1 instead of an incomplete pass. Would that have given them a new set of downs? I can’t tell from the NFL Mobile drive chart, but if yes, I could understand where the confusion about downs might have come from.
No, it was first and goal. Either way it would have been second down. Occam's Razor applies here: Ben is pretty dumb. I mean, the guy said he wasn't fake spiking when he fake spiked, and said he wasn't calling a timeout when he was calling a timeout.
 

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And he threw a pass into triple coverage because someone on his headset told him to run a play.

I can't tell if he's more idiot or more drama queen.