The Game Ball Thread: AFCDG vs Colts

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The Allen IR or cut stuff is ridiculous. The guy made one mistake in the heat of the moment. He's been a lights-out punter all year long. If the injuries won't prevent him from punting, he'll be the guy. 
 

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ragnarok725 said:
The Allen IR or cut stuff is ridiculous. The guy made one mistake in the heat of the moment. He's been a lights-out punter all year long. If the injuries won't prevent him from punting, he'll be the guy. 
 
Just to add to this, how many times in his entire career will he be involved in a play like that anyway?  Five or so?  I mean, 99.9% of the time, it's catch the ball and boom it.
 
It would seem his ability to punt the ball would grossly outweigh his decision-making during Yakkety Sax plays.
 

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soxfan121 said:
Allen took the heat on the broadcast and took the hit and the injury...all undeservedly. 
 
Not entirely undeservedly. That play is 99% on Aiken, but that 1% could've been a five point swing. You always kick the ball out of the end zone in that situation, and Allen knew better.
 

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RSN Diaspora said:
 
Not entirely undeservedly. That play is 99% on Aiken, but that 1% could've been a five point swing. You always kick the ball out of the end zone in that situation, and Allen knew better.
 
Can you kick he ball out of the end zone if it's not already in the end zone?  Would it be illegal batting of the ball?
 

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RIrooter09 said:
 
Can you kick he ball out of the end zone if it's not already in the end zone?  Would it be illegal batting of the ball?
Yes, and the penalty for that is a safety, which is the best possible outcome.
 

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ragnarok725 said:
The Allen IR or cut stuff is ridiculous. The guy made one mistake in the heat of the moment. He's been a lights-out punter all year long. If the injuries won't prevent him from punting, he'll be the guy.
The IR stuff is legit. I can make an argument for using two roster spots on punters if Allen's availability is unclear but it's not a slam dunk. He's clearly never getting cut.
 

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Super Nomario said:
Yes, and the penalty for that is a safety, which is the best possible outcome.
 
Wasn't sure if the defense could decline and take the ball at the spot of the batting. 
 

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Yes, and the penalty for that is a safety, which is the best possible outcome.
 
When is it a safety and when is it a 10/15 yd penalty?  Searching online turned up only a lot of confusion on this point.
 

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This team reminds me of the 2013 Sox.
 
No idea how they're doing it, or if they can repeat it, but i'm damn confident in the fact that they'll continue getting it done.
 

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RSN Diaspora said:
 
Not entirely undeservedly. That play is 99% on Aiken, but that 1% could've been a five point swing. You always kick the ball out of the end zone in that situation, and Allen knew better.
 
 
And yet, somehow, the national commentators are still saying he should have fallen on it at the 1.
 

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And yet, somehow, the national commentators are still saying he should have fallen on it at the 1.
 ...which I don't get at all. Why in the world would you want to give them 4 shots from the 1 yard line? Doesn't anyone remember BB having the Pats take an intentional safety when backed up against the goal line?
 
Maybe there's a rational explanation, but I don't see one.
 

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By the way, if we're giving out game balls, can one go to Greg Schiano's fabulous dog house that provided us with Talib and LGBT? Not quite sure what the Pats' will do without that pipeline to talent....
 

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Otis Foster said:
 ...which I don't get at all. Why in the world would you want to give them 4 shots from the 1 yard line? Doesn't anyone remember BB having the Pats take an intentional safety when backed up against the goal line?
 
Maybe there's a rational explanation, but I don't see one.
This was so lol, falling on the one is the dumbest thing to do.  Colts EV at the 1 yard line is clearly more than safety+possesion at their own 30.
 
If Allen had picked it up and thrown it at the feet of Tavon Wilson (who I think was eligible), that would have been awesome.
 

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Stitch01 said:
This was so lol, falling on the one is the dumbest thing to do.  Colts EV at the 1 yard line is clearly more than safety+possesion at their own 30.
 
If Allen had picked it up and thrown it at the feet of Tavon Wilson (who I think was eligible), that would have been awesome.
 
That would have given IND the ball on the NE 44 with about 2:30 left to play.  I'm not sure that would have been better than taking the safety and having them start inside their own 30 yd line with 2:18 to play.  Would be interesting to see what the expected scoring value is in each scenario.  Starting at the 44 almost puts you in FG range largely negating the 2pts from the safety.
 

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j44thor said:
 
That would have given IND the ball on the NE 44 with about 2:30 left to play.  I'm not sure that would have been better than taking the safety and having them start inside their own 30 yd line with 2:18 to play.  Would be interesting to see what the expected scoring value is in each scenario.  Starting at the 44 almost puts you in FG range largely negating the 2pts from the safety.
Per the win probability calculator, expected points are 2.42 having the ball at your opponents' 44, and 0.90 (+2 for the safety, so 2.90) having the ball at your own 30. So the incomplete pass would have been slightly better for the Pats, on average, but only by half a point.
 
Giving the Colts the ball on the 4 would have been 5.51 expected points, just to reiterate how dumb the commentators were.
 

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Game Ball to the ESPN football talking heads- they LOVED this win. It gave them a chance to break out their favorite football meme: Inflicting Your Will.
 
"Anytime when you can keep the football away from your opponent and physically Inflict Your Will during a big football game, you've got a great chance to win big football games in the National Football League." [Other guys seriously nod heads in agreement]. Because, you know, running is for MEN.
 

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LOL. Imposing/Inflicting pretty much same-o. Either way, the ESPN Football Guy gets to act like Woody Hayes for a second, pound their fist on the table and stick their chin out. Ditka has earned it but the rest are just clowning. And passing is for weenies.
 

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Speaking of special teams, is there a particular reason why they rarely show a replay of the penalties on returns? Seems like every Edelman return has a penalty and all we see is the offense marching back.
Because that is prime commercial time, and those penalties all look the same: the guy pushed the other guy in the back.
 
That's why your DVR has that 15 seconds back button, so you can rewatch the play all you want.
 

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Lose Remerswaal said:
Because that is prime commercial time, and those penalties all look the same: the guy pushed the other guy in the back.
 
That's why your DVR has that 15 seconds back button, so you can rewatch the play all you want.
 
Discovering that button changed my life. 
 

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Tony C said:
By the way, if we're giving out game balls, can one go to Greg Schiano's fabulous dog house that provided us with Talib and LGBT? Not quite sure what the Pats' will do without that pipeline to talent....
 
Don't forget Jeff "I'd Rather Run Track, Coach" Demps and the stockpile of traded-down-and-or-out draft picks. 
 
And you know Schiano's gonna be an unseen Assistant Coach of Special Game Planning or some such nonsense next season. He'll get the office from Brian Daboll.
 

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Lose Remerswaal said:
Because that is prime commercial time, and those penalties all look the same: the guy pushed the other guy in the back.
 
That's why your DVR has that 15 seconds back button, so you can rewatch the play all you want.
Except since cameras invariably follow the ball, penalties are frequently not seen on the Program feed.
 

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wait, what?  which button?  I'm looking at my DirectTV remote right now.

 
This is similar to my remote. It's difficult to see, but there is a key with and curved arrow on it, just to the left of the green button. When pushed, it jumps you back a small number of seconds - i.e., no need to hit "rewind" and "play" in quick succession. The curved arrow key can be used multiple times quickly, in case it isn't quite far back enough.
 
Edit to add that this feature is great while watching sports to give oneself a quick replay, or when watching anything when, e.g., you missed what someone just did or said and you have the remote handy enough to hit the key right away.
 

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Back 15 is for rookies. Swapping live tuners to watch/pause/rewind multiple games at once is for (sports watching) pros.