The enemy of the Lakers is my friend. The NBA finals thread.

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Markieff thought he was throwing that one to Tacko Fall I guess
 
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Miami should foul on the pass if they make this free throw and the Lakers throw it deep
 

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I’m still pissed Miami played the first two like they were happy to be there
 

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Jimmy Butler is one of the coolest professional athletes of this era. Intelligence, a sense of humor, a gift for communication and as fierce a competitor as you will find. I am stoked we get to see him perform.
 

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MFY eliminated on a HR off Chapman and Ks by Stanton and Voit.

MFL lose on LeBron declining to shoot, Danny Green bricking an open jumper (yeah, fuck him right in the ear for what he did to Klay), and bonehead play by a Morris twin.

This was a good sports night. :)
 

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Jimmy Butler is one of the coolest professional athletes of this era. Intelligence, a sense of humor, a gift for communication and as fierce a competitor as you will find. I am stoked we get to see him perform.
Always been a team first guy and has worked his ass off to continue to improve
 

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MFY eliminated on a HR off Chapman and Ks by Stanton and Voit.

MFL lose on LeBron declining to shoot, Danny Green bricking an open jumper (yeah, fuck him right in the ear for what he did to Klay), and bonehead play by a Morris twin.

This was a good sports night. :)
And all you were asking for is one L...
 

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MFY eliminated on a HR off Chapman and Ks by Stanton and Voit.

MFL lose on LeBron declining to shoot, Danny Green bricking an open jumper (yeah, fuck him right in the ear for what he did to Klay), and bonehead play by a Morris twin.

This was a good sports night. :)
I think that we owe you a debt of gratitude for the reverse jinx. Well done.
 

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MFY eliminated on a HR off Chapman and Ks by Stanton and Voit.

MFL lose on LeBron declining to shoot, Danny Green bricking an open jumper (yeah, fuck him right in the ear for what he did to Klay), and bonehead play by a Morris twin.

This was a good sports night. :)
Is the Klay thing something that Warriors fans actually blame him for? I’ve never really heard about any longstanding resentment.
 

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Is the Klay thing something that Warriors fans actually blame him for? I’ve never really heard about any longstanding resentment.
I’ve heard it before. Speaking for myself, it’s not all-consuming or anything, but it’s definitely there. The play on which he injured Klay wasn’t “intentional,” but it was reckless, and either way it badly messed up the career of one of my all-time favorite players, so I’ll always sports-hate him to a degree. I also sports-hate his weird-looking shot that he somehow hits at a high rate, and the fact that he looks so awkward attempting to do anything on the court other than shoot threes and defend. Plus he’s a Laker.

Guys I mentioned in that post ranked by sports-hate...

1. Chapman (wife-beater, so some real hate in there)
2. Voit
3. Green
4. Morris
5. Stanton
6. LeBron
 

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My memory is that it was a pretty innocuous play, and seeing replays reinforces that:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut9FtUrozE8


View: https://twitter.com/DrewShiller/status/1139365087821488129?s=20


That's not reckless in preseason, let alone with < 15 minutes left in game 6 of the finals. He landed badly, shit happens.
in fairness, SRN labelled it as "sports hate"

especially when its one of your favourite players... all rationale goes out the window

Anyways the Lakers and MFY lose, 2020 just got a hair better...
 

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Meh. One game. No way the Lakers lose 2 more games.

None. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Just ain’t happening. I just looked it up and no team has ever blown a 3-1 NBA Finals lead to the Miami Heat. EVER.
 

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and bonehead play by a Morris twin.
I don't think it was a horrible *idea* by Morris. I don't think he thought Davis would move away from the hoop with that little bit of time left. If Davis had slid the other way and that worked (pass seemed like it might have been too high anyway), that would have looked brilliant.

But he didn't, so fuck the Lakers.
 

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My memory is that it was a pretty innocuous play, and seeing replays reinforces that:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut9FtUrozE8


View: https://twitter.com/DrewShiller/status/1139365087821488129?s=20


That's not reckless in preseason, let alone with < 15 minutes left in game 6 of the finals. He landed badly, shit happens.
I mean, by definition it was not "innocuous," since it messed up Klay's career. Had he not attempted a play on the ball, Klay would have been fine. He had been one of the most durable players in the league up to that point; and he was absolutely killing it that night, peak "Game 6 Klay," launching and swishing from everywhere. The Warriors probably win that game if he doesn't go down there (they had a last-second shot to win without him), and then who knows what happens in Game 7 with the Splash Bros doing their thing. Three straight titles / four in five seasons would have been cool. 18 months later, the Warriors are the #30 seed and Klay is still working his way back into game shape.

Yeah, "reckless" was probably overstating it, though by the strict definition, it's not far off: "without thinking or caring about the consequences of an action." I wouldn't call the play dirty, but neither would I say Klay's health was Green's foremost concern. I'd argue that in preseason most players would not (or should not) attempt a play on the ball in that situation; but yeah, in a hard-fought playoffs Game 6, it was a pretty normal shot contest.

In any case, as I clearly noted and as Hogan underlined, it's sports-hate. If Danny Green had done the same thing to Tatum or Brown a year and a half ago, and you were just now watching them struggle to regain their old form, would not the site of Green in a Lakers uniform, getting ready to win his second straight title, rile you up just a bit?
 
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In any case, as I clearly noted and as Hogan underlined, it's sports-hate. If Danny Green had done the same thing to Tatum or Brown a year and a half ago, and you were just now watching them struggle to regain their old form, would not the site of Green in a Lakers uniform, getting ready to win his second straight title, rile you up just a bit?
I'm going to say no. Jae Crowder's takedown that shattered Gordon Hayward's leg was far dirtier-looking than Green's attempted blocked shot on Thompson, and you hear nary a whimper about it around here.
 

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I mean, by definition it was not "innocuous," since it messed up Klay's career. Had he not attempted a play on the ball, Klay would have been fine. He had been one of the most durable players in the league up to that point; and he was absolutely killing it that night, peak "Game 6 Klay," launching and swishing from everywhere. The Warriors probably win that game if he doesn't go down there (they had a last-second shot to win without him), and then who knows what happens in Game 7 with the Splash Bros doing their thing. Three straight titles / four in five seasons would have been cool. 18 months later, the Warriors are the #30 seed and Klay is still working his way back into game shape.

Yeah, "reckless" was probably overstating it, though by the strict definition, it's not far off: "without thinking or caring about the consequences of an action." I wouldn't call the play dirty, but neither would I say Klay's health was his foremost thought there. I'd argue that in preseason most players would not (or should not) attempt a play on the ball in that situation; but yeah, in a hard-fought playoffs Game 6, it was a pretty normal shot contest.

In any case, as I clearly noted and as Hogan underlined, it's sports-hate. If Danny Green had done the same thing to Tatum or Brown a year and a half ago, and you were just now watching them struggle to regain their old form, would not the site of Green in a Lakers uniform, getting ready to win his second straight title, rile you up just a bit?
If it’s not dirty then there isn’t a problem. If it were the Celtics, sure, rewatching the play would make me uncomfortable, but I wouldn’t be upset with Green. I’m not upset with Lebron for trying to make a play on Hayward.
 

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I'm going to say no. Jae Crowder's takedown that shattered Gordon Hayward's leg was far dirtier-looking than Green's attempted blocked shot on Thompson, and you hear nary a whimper about it around here.
Exactly. Crowder's play was more physical and in a regular season game, and half of this board would take him back as a bench piece is a second. I don't remember a single person calling out Jae as reckless there. Shit happens.
 

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I mean, I said it was a normal basketball play, walked back “reckless,” and never said I wouldn’t take Green as a Warriors bench piece. I’m just pissed about the result, and hate the Lakers.

In the future I’ll be sure to point out that the Morri are kind to strangers, Chapman has good taste in music, and Luke Voit likes puppies.
 

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My level of respect for Jimmy Butler has shot through the roof during this postseason. He was a total stud against Boston even though Tatum's numbers were significantly better. And against the Lakers, he's been otherworldly. The guy is absolutely tough as frigging nails and has a high degree of skill to go with that.

The guy has been absolutely awesome and unless he's playing Boston, he's a very easy guy for me to root for.
 

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I mean, by definition it was not "innocuous," since it messed up Klay's career. Had he not attempted a play on the ball, Klay would have been fine. He had been one of the most durable players in the league up to that point; and he was absolutely killing it that night, peak "Game 6 Klay," launching and swishing from everywhere. The Warriors probably win that game if he doesn't go down there (they had a last-second shot to win without him), and then who knows what happens in Game 7 with the Splash Bros doing their thing. Three straight titles / four in five seasons would have been cool. 18 months later, the Warriors are the #30 seed and Klay is still working his way back into game shape.

Yeah, "reckless" was probably overstating it, though by the strict definition, it's not far off: "without thinking or caring about the consequences of an action." I wouldn't call the play dirty, but neither would I say Klay's health was Green's foremost concern. I'd argue that in preseason most players would not (or should not) attempt a play on the ball in that situation; but yeah, in a hard-fought playoffs Game 6, it was a pretty normal shot contest.

In any case, as I clearly noted and as Hogan underlined, it's sports-hate. If Danny Green had done the same thing to Tatum or Brown a year and a half ago, and you were just now watching them struggle to regain their old form, would not the site of Green in a Lakers uniform, getting ready to win his second straight title, rile you up just a bit?
This is all fair, and with sports hate rationality isn't super important.

I don't think it was a horrible *idea* by Morris. I don't think he thought Davis would move away from the hoop with that little bit of time left. If Davis had slid the other way and that worked (pass seemed like it might have been too high anyway), that would have looked brilliant.

But he didn't, so fuck the Lakers.
Agreed. Everyone is showing the picture of Lebron being wide open, but in those pictures Butler is only a few steps away. Morris isn't capable of zipping a pass to Lebron fast enough to get him a wide open look, Butler would have been able to recover in plenty of time to contest a deep jumper by Lebron. He certainly may have made the shot anyway, but Davis had Bam sealed under the basket, it was a far better look.
 

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Agree with that. I wonder if Davis' injury played any part in him not springing for that pass. In the moment that long rebound Horryfied me (2002 WC Finals) just as Davis's earlier putback on the airball gave me Artest flashbacks (2010 WC Finals)
 

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I completely understand why fans focus on a single sequence and especially the last play. But Morris' errant pass was really no more damaging than KCP's five missed threes, Kuzma going 0-4 from deep or a number of Laker misplays from earlier in the game.

It was a one possession game. By definition, every make and miss was meaningful from start to finish.

Again, I understand that the end of games carries more pressure for the players. However, that actually is an argument that missed easier looks earlier are more costly given the overall lower pressure nature.

What the Heat are doing as a team is remarkable. Its not just talent - they are playing great team basketball.