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I am historically and perpetually a Brown defender but I think people would be surprised by how little the negative impact would be if they traded him away and got, like, 1 really good (but lesser) player and a role player or two. So basically the Bridges deal.l or something like it.

Tatum is that good.
Bridges deal is very interesting. I am also a Brown defender but if they have to move on from him and they get something interesting back then you have to accept it. I don't think I have as much confidence in Tatum as you but it would be interesting to see play out. Regardless of if Brown moves or if he stays, I really think that the Celtics need a vet with some grit that can infect the other players. Tatum has grit (Game 6 in Philly) but I don't think it's infectious and I don't think he has the personality to be a leader. He seems much more like Steph personality wise...I think he could use a Draymond (one thats more in charge of his limbs but that type of personality)
 

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I will say one of the more intriguing proposals I've seen floated is Brown to BKN for Bridges, O'Neal and 22. Not sure it solves all your problems, but it gives you a better wing defender who can give you a good portion of Jaylen's scoring and locked into a good deal, the pick you can flip with one of the guards to shore up the big man depth/future. BKN may not be interested though, would come down to whether they think Jaylen's superior offense is what they want to build around.
Honestly Brooklyn would be nuts to make that deal. Brown is more talented than Bridges, but overall I'd put Bridges at 85-90% of Brown. Oneale is ok, and you give up a pick, for the right to pay Jaylen 70 million more than Bridges over the next 3 years. It doesn't make the Nets contenders. And really for the Nets you have to think, how long until Brown is shooting his way out of town there.

On the other hand the Nets FO has been awful at times. So maybe they make an awful deal like this
 

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Bridges is probably 90% of Jaylen but has a much higher floor. And there is a small chance Bridges has 2014 Kawhi in him. He’s an explosion candidate.
 

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Kat might work for Boston, and it might work for Minnesota, but does it work for jaylen? Does he want to stay there long term, and is OK with (likely) remaining the number two option? Neither seems all that likely.
Exactly, no way JB goes somewhere to be a #2 to a lesser player than JT (Antman).
 

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Bridges is probably 90% of Jaylen but has a much higher floor. And there is a small chance Bridges has 2014 Kawhi in him. He’s an explosion candidate.
Jaylen+ for Bridges and Claxton+ would be super interesting if they can get the money to work.
 

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Honestly Brooklyn would be nuts to make that deal. Brown is more talented than Bridges, but overall I'd put Bridges at 85-90% of Brown. Oneale is ok, and you give up a pick, for the right to pay Jaylen 70 million more than Bridges over the next 3 years. It doesn't make the Nets contenders. And really for the Nets you have to think, how long until Brown is shooting his way out of town there.

On the other hand the Nets FO has been awful at times. So maybe they make an awful deal like this
Brown would be a young star that Brooklyn could build around, but why would Brown be interested? And if he isn’t doesn’t he just leave Brooklyn in a year? This is why most of the Brown trades being discussed seem silly. If he’s tradable it’s because he rejected the super max from Boston. That means he is giving up a ton of money with the only benefit being that he can be in control of where he plays at the end of next season. Why the heck would he do that just so he can play on a crappy team in Brooklyn? It just doesn’t make sense - that’s why no team will be interested in trading for him this offseason unless they think that Brown has a strong interest in signing with them longterm.
And it’s why Brown rejecting the super max would be a disaster for the Cs. It would both force a trade while simultaneously eliminating most of Brown’s trade value, as the uncertainty about his future would make it unlikely that any team would be interested in giving up much to get him.
So yeah, there really are no exciting trade options for Brown, as the Cs, if they are forced that direction, would get nowhere near equal value for him (which -since he’s untradable for a year after signing a super max- is the only way he gets traded)…
 

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Honestly Brooklyn would be nuts to make that deal. Brown is more talented than Bridges, but overall I'd put Bridges at 85-90% of Brown. Oneale is ok, and you give up a pick, for the right to pay Jaylen 70 million more than Bridges over the next 3 years. It doesn't make the Nets contenders. And really for the Nets you have to think, how long until Brown is shooting his way out of town there.

On the other hand the Nets FO has been awful at times. So maybe they make an awful deal like this
I think some of it will depend on what they see as the scoring ceiling on Brown. Brown put up scoring numbers similar to post-trade Bridges as the #2 option, so you have to ask... do I think this is a scoring title contender as the #1 option. We talk a lot about the extra 10% being huge with stars, and I think scoring (fairly efficiently) is really important for your #1 option, to the point where being better there is more important than other areas. I see O'Neal as just salary fill.

Jaylen+ for Bridges and Claxton+ would be super interesting if they can get the money to work.
That's way too much I think. Claxton is actually good and young, he's one of the guys you're pairing Brown with. O'Neal is just a guy who is salary fill.
 

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Jaylen+ for Bridges and Claxton+ would be super interesting if they can get the money to work.
It's kinda wild to think a few months ago the majority here wouldn't have traded Brown to Brooklyn straight up for Durant and we are now talking about Bridges/Claxton with one poster already calling that an overpay by Brooklyn...
 

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So yeah, there really are no exciting trade options for Brown, as the Cs, if they are forced that direction, would get nowhere near equal value for him
Teams trade for soon to be free agents all the time. MIL traded a shitload for Holiday, who was in the last year of his deal. Teams and agents talk and the team who trades for Jaylen would be near certain to retain him
 

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It's kinda wild to think a few months ago the majority here wouldn't have traded Brown to Brooklyn straight up for Durant and we are now talking about Bridges/Claxton with one poster already calling that an overpay by Brooklyn...
Part of it is likely that Bridges isn't 34, and he's likely underpaid rather than over, while Brown is a year closer to the supermax... also very importantly... the new CBA makes 2 supermax guys way more risky.
 

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If JB rejects the supermax, would it be fair to make comparisons to the Kyrie situation when he left Cleveland? I.e., trade value wouldn't be super high because there is no guarantee you'd have him long term?
 

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If JB rejects the supermax, would it be fair to make comparisons to the Kyrie situation when he left Cleveland? I.e., trade value wouldn't be super high because there is no guarantee you'd have him long term?
I honestly can't see a world where Brown turns down that much money.
 

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I honestly can't see a world where Brown turns down that much money.
Me either. It would be crazy for him to turn it down. If he doesn't want to be in Boston, take the supermax and then "force" a trade (as these superstars seem to be able to do).
 

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Part of it is likely that Bridges isn't 34, and he's likely underpaid rather than over, while Brown is a year closer to the supermax... also very importantly... the new CBA makes 2 supermax guys way more risky.
Yes, and Bridges isn't broken down and injured on a consistent basis etc.

Look i think both players are top 30 players in the NBA moving forward, and despite his second team all NBA, I am not a believer that Brown is going to be a top 10 guy consistently. And Bridges will cost 35 million less per season in the 25 and 26 seasons. That gives whoever has Bridges a HUGE amount of payroll flexibility.

To me for this trade to make sense for Brroklyn you have to believe Tatum has been holding Brown back, and getting away from Tatum, Brown can move to an entirely different level. Personally i am of the opposite opinion where having Tatum as the #1 has been a benefit for Brown, and if he does get his wish to be the absolute #1 on a team, his limitations will be more visible.
 

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Brown would be a young star that Brooklyn could build around, but why would Brown be interested? And if he isn’t doesn’t he just leave Brooklyn in a year? This is why most of the Brown trades being discussed seem silly. If he’s tradable it’s because he rejected the super max from Boston. That means he is giving up a ton of money with the only benefit being that he can be in control of where he plays at the end of next season. Why the heck would he do that just so he can play on a crappy team in Brooklyn? It just doesn’t make sense - that’s why no team will be interested in trading for him this offseason unless they think that Brown has a strong interest in signing with them longterm.
And it’s why Brown rejecting the super max would be a disaster for the Cs. It would both force a trade while simultaneously eliminating most of Brown’s trade value, as the uncertainty about his future would make it unlikely that any team would be interested in giving up much to get him.
So yeah, there really are no exciting trade options for Brown, as the Cs, if they are forced that direction, would get nowhere near equal value for him (which -since he’s untradable for a year after signing a super max- is the only way he gets traded)…
Technically, Brown can be traded the day after the Celtics are eliminated or win the championship. So there does not need to be scenario where Brown is traded only after he rejects the supermax.

I think you and some others here may be underestimating the interest that teams would have in a Jaylen Brown. All it takes is more than one GM that is convinced he can build enough of a team around Brown that JB would be willing to re-sign there. Few players of Brown's ability get traded at 27; New Orleans got quite the ransom for Anthony Davis and it was known across the league that the only team he wanted to play for was the Lakers. Also, Lowe and others tend to be pretty plugged in regarding trade possibilities, and if they are all saying there would be a robust market for JB, they are probably correct.
 

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Trade Jaylen + something (2024 #1 pick?) to San Antonio for McDermott (31 years of age, not very good, with the biggest contract on the team) and the #1 pick. (it works in the NBA Trade Machine)

LOL

Of course SA wouldn't do that, because the mystique and potential of Wembanyama. But Brown is just 26 and is literally an all-NBA player, something Wembanyama may never achieve in his career. Though he might. Who knows.

So no it won't happen.
 

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How about a "swing for the fences" type trade? Jaylen, TimeLord and Smart to the Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. I get the feeling that Indy is trying to figure out what to do about Buddy's upcoming extension and they have the cap room to take on a big Brown extension. Celtics could use a sharpshooter at the 2 and the Pacers could be dynamic with a Brown/Haliburton backcourt and Smart coming off the bench for grit. The talent difference in the guard part of the trade is made up for the Williams/Turner swap.

Who says no?
Hopefully Boston.
 

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Brown would be a young star that Brooklyn could build around, but why would Brown be interested?
Because he may want to try being the alpha on a team? Brooklyn just made the playoffs, so it's not like you're sending him to a basement dweller.

And, as socially active as Brown is, heading to the city of Brooklyn may be pretty appealing to him.
 

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Because he may want to try being the alpha on a team? Brooklyn just made the playoffs, so it's not like you're sending him to a basement dweller.

And, as socially active as Brown is, heading to the city of Brooklyn may be pretty appealing to him.
Right, again, wouldn't this be similar to Kyrie coming to Boston?
 

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Right, again, wouldn't this be similar to Kyrie coming to Boston?
I suppose, although Kyrie came out and controlled the situation from the get go. If Brown doesn't come out and demand a trade or announce he's going to test the FA market, then it's fair for a team like Brooklyn to assume the supermax is enough to retain him.

I mean, we've all been saying the same thing here - "I don't see any way he turns down that much money."
 

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Right, again, wouldn't this be similar to Kyrie coming to Boston?
In some ways. Kyrie had an extra year remaining on his contract, but was also making much more noise about needing to leave Cleveland.

I suppose, although Kyrie came out and controlled the situation from the get go. If Brown doesn't come out and demand a trade or announce he's going to test the FA market, then it's fair for a team like Brooklyn to assume the supermax is enough to retain him.

I mean, we've all been saying the same thing here - "I don't see any way he turns down that much money."
Brooklyn cannot offer JB the supermax. They would be able to offer him a slightly larger contract than another team would via free agency, but not the full supermax.
 

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No interest in KAT (too soft) or whatever that Indy deal was :eek:

Players of interest for Brown :
1. Mikal Bridges + Nic Claxton
2. Pascal Siakam + Achiuwa
3. OG Anunoby + Poeltl

4. Desmond Bane + JJJ (for Brown + Smart)
 

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Some sort of Brandon Ingram for Jaylen trade makes a lot of sense if they think Zion is at all reliable. Pels don't have a lot of flexibility this offseason outside of trades.
 

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Trade Jaylen + something (2024 #1 pick?) to San Antonio for McDermott (31 years of age, not very good, with the biggest contract on the team) and the #1 pick. (it works in the NBA Trade Machine)

LOL

Of course SA wouldn't do that, because the mystique and potential of Wembanyama. But Brown is just 26 and is literally an all-NBA player, something Wembanyama may never achieve in his career. Though he might. Who knows.

So no it won't happen.
I might be the biggest Jaylen fan on this board, but I would drive him to the airport and pay for his flight if it brought us Wemby back in trade.

I think Wemby is the biggest can't miss prospect since Lebron.
 

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Brooklyn cannot offer JB the supermax. They would be able to offer him a slightly larger contract than another team would via free agency, but not the full supermax.
So is this specific to Brooklyn, or is this true for any team that might trade for JB?
 

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So is this specific to Brooklyn, or is this true for any team that might trade for JB?
Only the Celtics can offer Jaylen the supermax (35% of cap for 5 years). Brooklyn, or any other team that trades for JB, would be able to offer only the max (30% of the cap), but could theoretically offer an extra year and slightly larger salary escalation than Brown would get as a free agent going to another team.
 

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Only the Celtics can offer Jaylen the supermax (35% of cap for 5 years). Brooklyn, or any other team that trades for JB, would be able to offer only the max (30% of the cap), but could theoretically offer an extra year and slightly larger salary escalation than Brown would get as a free agent going to another team.
So that means if the Celtics were willing to offer the SM, Jaylen needs to walk away from 8-9 million dollars per season to play anywhere else.
 

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No interest in KAT (too soft) or whatever that Indy deal was :eek:

Players of interest for Brown :
1. Mikal Bridges + Nic Claxton
2. Pascal Siakam + Achiuwa
3. OG Anunoby + Poeltl

4. Desmond Bane + JJJ (for Brown + Smart)
I’d add Ingram+ to that (I think that’s my favorite deal)

Garland+ (but then you’re scram for a wing)

don’t think 4 is realistic (Grizz giving up too much) and I don’t love 2 and 3. 1 would be great
 

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So that means if the Celtics were willing to offer the SM, Jaylen needs to walk away from 8-9 million dollars per season to play anywhere else.
I think most of these fake trade ideas are based on Jaylen Brown wanting to play elsewhere (ie he's pissed at Brad because of IME, the City of Boston isn't for him, etc)
 

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Brown would be a young star that Brooklyn could build around, but why would Brown be interested? And if he isn’t doesn’t he just leave Brooklyn in a year?
Because he’d be the biggest NBA star in the biggest media market in North America. Brooklyn does it because it gives them an outside shot at Mitchell when he’s a free agent next summer. I have my issues with Morey, but one thing he was dead right about, getting the first star is the hardest thing to do. Everything gets easier after that.
 

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So that means if the Celtics were willing to offer the SM, Jaylen needs to walk away from 8-9 million dollars per season to play anywhere else.
yeah basically Jaylen's options would be:
1. sign with a new team in FA... max of 4 years 184.5M
2. re-sign with team as FA (so Celtics or a team he was traded to this offseason) max of 5 years $248.8M
3. sign an extension this offseason with BOS- 5 years 290.3M maximum (now BOS might offer him something between $248.8 and $290.3, say 260 or 265)

I think most of these fake trade ideas are based on Jaylen Brown wanting to play elsewhere (ie he's pissed at Brad because of IME, the City of Boston isn't for him, etc)
i think he's most pissed that they considered dealing him for KD (which is dumb, but hey)
 

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I’d add Ingram+ to that (I think that’s my favorite deal)

Garland+ (but then you’re scram for a wing)

don’t think 4 is realistic (Grizz giving up too much) and I don’t love 2 and 3. 1 would be great
A Garland deal would have to include Allen

I don't love Ingram's body or ability to stay healthy (62 games played is his high over the last 6 seasons)
 

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Bridges is probably 90% of Jaylen but has a much higher floor. And there is a small chance Bridges has 2014 Kawhi in him. He’s an explosion candidate.
2014 was Leonard’s age 24 season. 2024 will be Bridges’s age 27 season. At this point what you see is what you get. Which is still good, just not as good as Brown.
 

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Technically, Brown can be traded the day after the Celtics are eliminated or win the championship. So there does not need to be scenario where Brown is traded only after he rejects the supermax.

I think you and some others here may be underestimating the interest that teams would have in a Jaylen Brown. All it takes is more than one GM that is convinced he can build enough of a team around Brown that JB would be willing to re-sign there. Few players of Brown's ability get traded at 27; New Orleans got quite the ransom for Anthony Davis and it was known across the league that the only team he wanted to play for was the Lakers. Also, Lowe and others tend to be pretty plugged in regarding trade possibilities, and if they are all saying there would be a robust market for JB, they are probably correct.
The Davis example is not the same: AD made it very clear he wanted to be in LA. If JB did the same for Brooklyn then of course they’d go all in to get him, but I have trouble imagining he’d do that. And it’s not clear that Brown is inflicted with Kyrie syndrome ( ie. an idiotic fixation with “being the man”). I guess if/when he does reject the super max he might tell us all what he’s looking for, but until then it might be hard to know what team thinks they have a good chance of signing him. I suspect that even if he does want out his desire is not so strong that he won’t at least wait a year to demand a trade (getting the super max first).
if he really does want out, one destination that could make sense is Cleveland. He’s apparently good friends with Donovan Mitchell and it’s a team that could contend soon. But yeah, until we know what JB wants it will be hard to tell which teams think they have a good chance of retaining him if they can get him in a trade. Hopefully he just signs the super max and we don’t have to think about this for a while..
 
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2014 was Leonard’s age 24 season. 2024 will be Bridges’s age 27 season. At this point what you see is what you get. Which is still good, just not as good as Brown.
After looking, 2016 was the major Kawhi breakout. Don’t disagree but I’ve always thought Phoenix held Bridges back.
 

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It’s the fact that he is good friends with Mitchell that make him a desirable trade target.
 

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After looking, 2016 was the major Kawhi breakout. Don’t disagree but I’ve always thought Phoenix held Bridges back.
In his age 23-26 seasons he underwent his big development curve. A lot like Brown. Bridges is an excellent shooter and defender. But Brown does bring more to the table. Including star power (and the ability to attract other stars).
 

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2014 was Leonard’s age 24 season. 2024 will be Bridges’s age 27 season. At this point what you see is what you get. Which is still good, just not as good as Brown.
depends on what you think of the post-trade role change. Post-trade Bridges.... was arguably better than Brown, similar scoring, similar efficiency, maybe a bit less passing and rebounding but also much better D.
I think the real draw of Bridges over Brown is bang for your buck, and that he was able to settle into a #3/4 role in PHX without complaint, he just fits really well next to a guy like Tatum in a way Jaylen doesn't always. His best features (great defense, 3pt shooting) fit next to a ball dominant star better than Brown's (Driving offense, slightly less good 3pt shooting), and his weaknesses (not a playmaker) matter less when other guys are going to have the ball.
 

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depends on what you think of the post-trade role change. Post-trade Bridges.... was arguably better than Brown, similar scoring, similar efficiency, maybe a bit less passing and rebounding but also much better D.
I think the real draw of Bridges over Brown is bang for your buck, and that he was able to settle into a #3/4 role in PHX without complaint, he just fits really well next to a guy like Tatum in a way Jaylen doesn't always. His best features (great defense, 3pt shooting) fit next to a ball dominant star better than Brown's (Driving offense, slightly less good 3pt shooting), and his weaknesses (not a playmaker) matter less when other guys are going to have the ball.
If you trade Brown for Bridges, which is never going to happen, Bridges can't settle into a #3/4 role. He needs to be the #2, so all the complaining about Jaylen's ability to be a playmaker will just be complaints about Bridges inability to be a playmaker.

IMO, the move that must be made this offseason is Marcus Smart. I don't think there will be a great return for him, but IMO, he's the piece that doesn't fit, because he's a zero on offense, and teams don't have to respect him at all on the perimeter.

If I had 3 wishes, I'd do a straight up Marcus for Vanvleet trade right now. Marcus is losing a step on defense, so we aren't giving up as much there was we were before, and VanVleet is coming off a down shooting year, but his assists are climbing. That, IMO, is the type of move I'd love to see Brad pull off, but we need a guy who can knock down a shot and keep defenses a little honest.
 

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If you trade Brown for Bridges, which is never going to happen, Bridges can't settle into a #3/4 role. He needs to be the #2, so all the complaining about Jaylen's ability to be a playmaker will just be complaints about Bridges inability to be a playmaker.

IMO, the move that must be made this offseason is Marcus Smart. I don't think there will be a great return for him, but IMO, he's the piece that doesn't fit, because he's a zero on offense, and teams don't have to respect him at all on the perimeter.

If I had 3 wishes, I'd do a straight up Marcus for Vanvleet trade right now. Marcus is losing a step on defense, so we aren't giving up as much there was we were before, and VanVleet is coming off a down shooting year, but his assists are climbing. That, IMO, is the type of move I'd love to see Brad pull off, but we need a guy who can knock down a shot and keep defenses a little honest.
Any Kemba concerns with VanVleet? 29 years-old and small-ish guard who's missed a decent amount of games last 5 seasons. I agree on moving Smart - at this point, I'm ready to take 75-80 cents on the dollar, whatever that yields.
 

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If you trade Brown for Bridges, which is never going to happen, Bridges can't settle into a #3/4 role. He needs to be the #2, so all the complaining about Jaylen's ability to be a playmaker will just be complaints about Bridges inability to be a playmaker.

IMO, the move that must be made this offseason is Marcus Smart. I don't think there will be a great return for him, but IMO, he's the piece that doesn't fit, because he's a zero on offense, and teams don't have to respect him at all on the perimeter.

If I had 3 wishes, I'd do a straight up Marcus for Vanvleet trade right now. Marcus is losing a step on defense, so we aren't giving up as much there was we were before, and VanVleet is coming off a down shooting year, but his assists are climbing. That, IMO, is the type of move I'd love to see Brad pull off, but we need a guy who can knock down a shot and keep defenses a little honest.
I think Cellar Door meant that Bridges is happy playing a variety of roles and isn’t demanding with the #3/#4 thing.

However, the lack of playmaking would 100% matter on the Celtics if that trade does happen….
 

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Not that this ends the argument but it's worth keeping perspective

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Raptor has them at:
Jaylen: +0.4 in 2022-23, +2.7 in 21-22
Bridges: +1.5 in 2022-23, +2.7 in 22-23
Claxton: +2.0 in 2022-23, +0.3 in 21-22

Raptor in particular values defense a lot more, so that's a big factor for the gap there.

Though also part of it is that DARKO has always been WAY higher on Jaylen (particularly his defense) than any other metric.
 

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I think Cellar Door meant that Bridges is happy playing a variety of roles and isn’t demanding with the #3/#4 thing.

However, the lack of playmaking would 100% matter on the Celtics if that trade does happen….
Yeah, I meant more that he doesn't need the ball in his hands and is willing/happy to play the defensive destroyer who hits 3s and sometimes gets the ball in mismatches to go to work, especially against bench units.

I think the lack of playmaking only matters if you aren't getting it elsewhere. To me if you trade Jaylen for something built around Bridges, you're likely also moving at least one of the guards for a playmaker type. It was more an acknowledgement that Jaylen to be his most effective in his offense needs the ball in his hands off the dribble a lot, and he's not a top playmaker. Bridges is similar, maybe even a little worse at playmaking, but he also doesn't need to use possessions at the same rate. Being a playmaker is awesome, but not being one is less harmful the less possessions you need to use on the dribble to be effective, because you're ceding those dribble possessions to the guys who are good ones.
 

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Any Kemba concerns with VanVleet? 29 years-old and small-ish guard who's missed a decent amount of games last 5 seasons. I agree on moving Smart - at this point, I'm ready to take 75-80 cents on the dollar, whatever that yields.
Absolutely have concerns, but no more than I have about Smart's body breaking down at this point. And at least with FVV, you have a guy with the ability to knock down shots, and if he's not knocking them down or becomes a liability, I don't see the coach (whoever it is) afraid to put him on the pine and put a guy like White or Brogdon out there in crunch time.

The problem with Marcus isn't so much his ability or lack thereof, it's that he's the de facto leader on this team, and IMO, is regularly playing too many minutes in spots where better options are available. I know they don't play the same positions, but if Smart isn't here this series, I'll bet we'd see some Hauser, but there just aren't enough minutes to find when you have Smart/Brogdon/White, plus JB/JT plus TL/Al/Grant.

If the C's roll out a lineup in spots with White or Brogdon, and then JT/JB/Hauser with Al or TL, it's a new look with guys that can hit from everywhere (aside from Rob, but he opens things up in other ways). Smart is the fit that hurts in almost every way on the offensive end.

If we still had DPOY Marcus, I'm not even bringing this up, but everyone here that watches the games knows that guy isn't the one playing right now and wasn't for most of the season.
 

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If the Celtics want to blow it up, I’d consider going for Lilliard if they could pry the third pick from the Blazers. Jaylen, Smart, the 35th pick and a first for Lillian and the third pick Boston might have to add additional picks.