The British Open- Royal St. George's

cshea

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Fourth and final major championship of the year. First Open since Shane Lowry's victory at Royal Portrush in 2019.

Early odds I've seen:

Rahm +800
Brooks, Rory +1600
DJ, Xander +1700
JT, Spieth +2000
Bryson, Oosty, Hovland +3000
Hatton +3300
Morikawa, Reed, Cantlay +3500
Fitz, Casey, Lowry, Fleetwood +4000

Last time RSG hosted, Darren Clarke was the winner beating out DJ.

Lot's of WD's this week. Hideki (Covid), Sungjae Im and Si Woo Kim (Olympics), 2015 Champ Zach Johnson (Covid), Matt Wolff (unspecified- hope he's OK) among them.

The Open has become my favorite tournament of the year, so I'm excited to have it back and get going.
 

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Fully vaccinated Bubba Watson is out not because he has Covid, but because he came in close contact with a person who has Covid.
 

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For crying out loud, can you put a space before the hyphen in the thread title as well as after it? Same thing happened in the US Open thread, and grammar nazis like me all over the site could barely look at it. (I'll delete this post as soon as someone fixes this and spares my OCD...)
Whether to put a space or not varies by house style, but it should certainly be an em dash rather than a hyphen. Fixed.
 

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For crying out loud, can you put a space before the hyphen in the thread title as well as after it? Same thing happened in the US Open thread, and grammar nazis like me all over the site could barely look at it. (I'll delete this post as soon as someone fixes this and spares my OCD...)
Eh, I'll leave it
Please change the thread title to "The British Open."
 

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For crying out loud, can you put a space before the hyphen in the thread title as well as after it? Same thing happened in the US Open thread, and grammar nazis like me all over the site could barely look at it. (I'll delete this post as soon as someone fixes this and spares my OCD...)
I'm bothered by the lack of dots in U.S.
 

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Tee times are out. Here are some groups I find interesting

7:52 AM: Paul Casey/Abe Ancer/Ian Poulter
8:03 AM: Brooks Koepka/Jason Kokrak/Garrick Higgo
9:25 AM: Jordan Spieth/Bryson DeChambeau/Branden Grace
9:58 AM: Shane Lowry/Jon Rahm/Louis Oosthuizen
10:20 AM: DJ/Will Zalatoris/Justin Rose
1:26 PM: Collin Morikawa/Corey Conners/Sebastian Munoz
2:48 PM: Phil Mickelson/Tyrell Hatton/Kevin Kisner
2:59 PM: Xander Schauffele/Robert McIntyre/Rickie Fowler
3:10 PM: JT/Tommy Fleetwood/Adam Scott
3:21 PM: Rory McIlroy/Patrick Reed/Cam Smith
 

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The weather appears to be somewhat cooperative through the weekend. Temperatures around 70 F with mixed sun/clouds and winds around 15 mph, brisk but not unreasonable for a links course on the water. I was curious about the difference between the south coast and Scotland, so I checked St. Andrews for comparison but the weather is very close to the same at least through this weekend. Only difference is sunset is 45 minutes later up that way (so 9:04 sunset at St. George's as opposed to closer to 10pm up in Scotland.) Looks like 4:16pm local is the last tee time listed.
 

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Forgive me if I'm confusing this course for another, but isn't this where a solid, long driver has a pretty big advantage?
I don't really think it's any different than the rest of the courses in the rota. The weather conditions will dictate how the course plays. I don't think links in general favor one style of play over another. If the course is wet and soft, then it's bomb it as far as you can and try to land it at the hole. The bombers will reign. If it ends up dry and firm, that's not necessarily to the bombers advantage (though bombers inherently have an advantage no matter what).

Historically speaking, I think the Open usually is won by the best ball striker for the week, not the longest.
 

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Yes, neither "open" or "golf" alone contain enough specificity. We should also clarify men’s or co-ed to different from the UK Women’s British Open of Ball Golf.
The whole "The Open Championship" tag drives me nuts. It's reason number 587,611 for this week alone why English sports fans are the absolute worst form of life on the planet. An "open" is a type of championship. There is not one particular "open" tournament that is THE open championship. Yes, it was the first national open. Yes golf was invented in the British Isles. Yes, the weather can get pretty darn blustery. But it is the British Open, the national championship of a particular nation, not the universe. And do not tell me how Augusta refers to its tournament as "The Masters". That is a brand, not a type of tournament. (If it were to attempt to do what the British Open tries to do it would call itself "The Invitational"). In a week where it is difficult to see how English fans missed any opportunity to cover themselves with mud this is yet another glaring example of a country that somehow has deluded itself into thinking that this is their world and the rest of us are somehow, maddeningly, just living in it.
 

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The whole "The Open Championship" tag drives me nuts. It's reason number 587,611 for this week alone why English sports fans are the absolute worst form of life on the planet. An "open" is a type of championship. There is not one particular "open" tournament that is THE open championship. Yes, it was the first national open. Yes golf was invented in the British Isles. Yes, the weather can get pretty darn blustery. But it is the British Open, the national championship of a particular nation, not the universe. And do not tell me how Augusta refers to its tournament as "The Masters". That is a brand, not a type of tournament. (If it were to attempt to do what the British Open tries to do it would call itself "The Invitational"). In a week where it is difficult to see how English fans missed any opportunity to cover themselves with mud this is yet another glaring example of a country that somehow has deluded itself into thinking that this is their world and the rest of us are somehow, maddeningly, just living in it.
So how do you feel about the “World Series”?
 

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The whole "The Open Championship" tag drives me nuts. It's reason number 587,611 for this week alone why English sports fans are the absolute worst form of life on the planet. An "open" is a type of championship. There is not one particular "open" tournament that is THE open championship. Yes, it was the first national open. Yes golf was invented in the British Isles. Yes, the weather can get pretty darn blustery. But it is the British Open, the national championship of a particular nation, not the universe. And do not tell me how Augusta refers to its tournament as "The Masters". That is a brand, not a type of tournament. (If it were to attempt to do what the British Open tries to do it would call itself "The Invitational"). In a week where it is difficult to see how English fans missed any opportunity to cover themselves with mud this is yet another glaring example of a country that somehow has deluded itself into thinking that this is their world and the rest of us are somehow, maddeningly, just living in it.
Side note, there is a petition to get the Masters to change it's name to The Invitational due to the negative racial connotation of master.

I have no problem with either (The Open or The Invitational), it's all in good fun.
 

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Not a basketball fan so clue me in. Did the change it to “Champions of North America, excluding Mexico and bunch of other countries and islands whose names we can remember”?
Up until 1985 it was the “NBA World Championship Series”. Since 1986, it's been just the “NBA Finals”. No geographic delimiter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_NBA_Finals
This series marked the first time the "NBA Finals" branding was officially used, as they dropped the "NBA World Championship Series" branding which had been in use since the beginning of the league
Off the top of my head, aside from the US/Canada/Mexico: Guatemala, Nicaragua, Belize, Costa Rica, Panama, El Salvador, Honduras, Dominica, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica, Cuba, Bermuda, St Kitts and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, St Lucia, Grenada, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, Antigua and Barbuda. Thanks, Sporcle.

EDIT: Bahamas, not Bermuda.
 

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The whole "The Open Championship" tag drives me nuts. It's reason number 587,611 for this week alone why English sports fans are the absolute worst form of life on the planet. An "open" is a type of championship. There is not one particular "open" tournament that is THE open championship. Yes, it was the first national open. Yes golf was invented in the British Isles. Yes, the weather can get pretty darn blustery. But it is the British Open, the national championship of a particular nation, not the universe. And do not tell me how Augusta refers to its tournament as "The Masters". That is a brand, not a type of tournament. (If it were to attempt to do what the British Open tries to do it would call itself "The Invitational"). In a week where it is difficult to see how English fans missed any opportunity to cover themselves with mud this is yet another glaring example of a country that somehow has deluded itself into thinking that this is their world and the rest of us are somehow, maddeningly, just living in it.
There are a whole bunch of Scottish, Irish and Welsh people who are probably not happy to be lumped in with English sports fans. I get where you're coming from, but I'm reasonably sure it's called The Open Championship because when it was created it actually was the only open championship. Putting a geographical qualifier would have been really strange. Now, back to your regularly scheduled belittling of English sports fans.
 

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There are a whole bunch of Scottish, Irish and Welsh people who are probably not happy to be lumped in with English sports fans. I get where you're coming from, but I'm reasonably sure it's called The Open Championship because when it was created it actually was the only open championship. Putting a geographical qualifier would have been really strange. Now, back to your regularly scheduled belittling of English sports fans.
My apologies to the other home nations, but this is not really something that extends back through time. The term was commonly "The British Open" until fairly recently when an English dominated R&A vowed to "eradicate" the term. England, unlike the countries you cite, has only sporadically hosted it's own open championship. There might be some merit to the historic basis of the R&A claim if the same people didn't insist on referring to the "U.S. Masters" in April. Plus, after the disgrace they made of themselves this past month all English sports fans deserve a spanking.
 
Also, if you're going to get pissy about this issue, it would help if you could become a bit more familiar with the differences between England, Scotland, Britain and the United Kingdom. The assertion that the Open Championship is the national championship of England is pretty out there, on multiple levels.
 

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It wouldn't be the first two days of a major if Brian Harman and Paul Casey weren't near the top of the leaderboard.

The simulation continues apace.
 

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Most of the announcers are in the studio in Connecticut. A few are on the grounds in England. They also are using the world feed and don't have any control over it so some of the cuts can catch them by surprise.
 

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Ben Schomin was the guy that caddied for Bryson a couple of weeks ago when Bryson and his caddy parted ways right before the tournament.
 

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Maybe Bryson should worry more about having fewer mishits rather than continuing to bomb away and expect technology to cover up for him.
 

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I really didn’t understand why he kept pushing things after the US Open win. I get you have to continue to seek ways to improve but he was playing so well, why mess that much when something is so good.