The best shape of their lives: Celtics training camp

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luckiestman said:
I only have seen Doogie in short spurts but I don’t see any Gordo comp at all. Hayward could play above the rim when he was younger, he could do it all really. Sam strikes me as playing that Kyle Korver pure shooter game
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Definitely not an above the rim guy.
 
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Miami beat the Celtics by 21 points tonight, but that doesn't tell the whole story. The Heat ran with their usual starting lineup, and the Celtics played without Horford, Rob WIlliams, Brown, and Smart. And the Celtics led after one and hung in the game until late in the third.
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C's were missing Pritchard too, and he's been great in preseason.
 
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luckiestman said:
I only have seen Doogie in short spurts but I don’t see any Gordo comp at all. Hayward could play above the rim when he was younger, he could do it all really. Sam strikes me as playing that Kyle Korver pure shooter game
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Yeah. If he can shoot it, then you work out how to hide him on defense and make sure that he never has to dribble. Guy is lacking in athleticism.
 
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Hauser is a Duncan Robinson type. His height and outside shooting certainly makes him a worthy development project
 
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Meh. Korver/Duncan had more lateral athleticism to at least create offensive gravity. I'm dubious there is an actual NBA role for a player whose one marketable skill is spot up shooting.
 
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JM3 said:
Meh. Korver/Duncan had more lateral athleticism to at least create offensive gravity. I'm dubious there is an actual NBA role for a player whose one marketable skill is spot up shooting.
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I refer back to my poor mans Steve Novak comp. There are too many players capable of being good spot-up shooters in today’s game to where you do not need an incremental upgrade while losing everywhere else on the floor.
 
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There are too many players capable of being good spot-up shooters in today’s game to where you do not need an incremental upgrade while losing everywhere else on the floor.
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You may well be right, but the C's haven't had many of those players coming off the bench in recent years.
 
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Still have the 2nd 2 way, scouring the waiver wire?
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Yes. It looks like the rest of the roster is set, but for that 2-way.

https://theathletic.com/2893636/2021/10/16/celtics-waive-garrison-mathews-theo-pinson-as-jabari-parker-bruno-fernando-make-final-roster/

Jabari Parker and Bruno Fernando will remain with the team in the final two full roster spots. It appeared likely Parker would stay when he started in the team’s final preseason game Friday, and $1.24 million of his $2.28 million salary will be guaranteed on opening night. The remainder of his salary becomes fully guaranteed on Jan. 10.
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I'm surprised Parker made it. I thought they would be more likely to go in with a 14 man roster than they would be to guarantee half of Parker's contract: on opening night, $1.24M guarantees; if he's still here on Jan 10, the rest ($1.04 M) guarantees.
President of basketball operations Brad Stevens will continue to search for a player to fill the team’s second two-way slot, which remains vacant after the final camp cuts. Mathews turned down the two-way spot, as he is still holding out hope for a full NBA deal elsewhere, per sources. Mathews returned home to Nashville and will assess other opportunities around the league but does not plan to head overseas.

One factor in Mathews’ decision was that Boston is unlikely to convert a two-way player into a full contract this season because of their tax situation, according to a player source. Mathews fills a similar role to the team’s other two-way player, Sam Hauser, so he determined his best course of action is to seek at least a two-way deal with a team that has a clearer pathway to the full roster this season.
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So they offerred the second 2-way to Mathews but he turned it down. Probably a good decision on his part.
Pinson remains a candidate for a two-way, per team sources, though Stevens and the front office will continue to look around the league to see who else hits the waiver wire. Pinson played 33 minutes in two games this week for Boston, shooting 5-for-14 while flashing some pick-and-roll playmaking and a high defensive motor.
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Pinson didn't really impress me, but maybe there is some value in having a versatile "break glass in emergency" type of player? He is 6'5" and played some point.

I'd like to see them snap up someone who is more of a project (like Hauser), but maybe there is value to an emergency type.
 
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Wanted Mathews on the 2-way.

Probably would have opted with him over Jabari as #15, if I had known he would decline the 2-way. He didn't get much run in pre-season. This team is thin from 3.

Pinson is useless, would opt for a project or an emergency BIG over him
 
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Wanted Mathews on the 2-way.

Probably would have opted with him over Jabari as #15, if I had known he would decline the 2-way. He didn't get much run in pre-season. This team is thin from 3.

Pinson is useless, would opt for a project or an emergency BIG over him
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Since Pinson is going to Maine anyway, I don't see why they would give him the 2-way deal now. Can always make a spot for him later if a need arises.
 
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I'm surprised Parker made it. I thought they would be more likely to go in with a 14 man roster than they would be to guarantee half of Parker's contract: on opening night, $1.24M guarantees; if he's still here on Jan 10, the rest ($1.04 M) guarantees.
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Don’t ever underestimate the value of powerful representation. Arn Tellum isn’t a guy Brad wants to be unfriendly with in his first year as GM.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if they just leave the roster spot open and save on the luxury tax bill.

Could see them adding a young big on their second two way contract for depth if they think it's necessary.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if they just leave the roster spot open and save on the luxury tax bill.

Could see them adding a young big on their second two way contract for depth if they think it's necessary.
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if they do add a serviceable BIG to the roster, Horford's minutes at the 4 will be greater than I expected
 
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Parker exceeded my (low) expectations last year, and I still think he's likely entered the "go to Europe and be a high-scoring gunslinger" phase of his career. I can see him as a depth piece again later this year same as he was when Cs signed him, but that's about it at this point. He has a tweener skillset that just isn't enough offensively given he's pretty weak in rebounding and defense.

Wasn't a huge Moses Brown guy but do think "young legs" were always part of the value he'd bring. Not sure with Fernando and Kanter there's a need for another, but a big who can move and defend would probably be worth having on speed-dial if not.

I've been intrigued by Giles back to the draft; that he keeps getting released suggests there just isn't much there, and his injury history is pretty scary. Scheme-wise, he at least replicates some of the passing ability of Al and TL, so there's that. The Tatum connection doesn't hurt, though I think it may make him harder to bring in and then cut quickly so that is perhaps a consideration
 
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Tatum is close friends with Giles. If they weren’t hugging the tax line, Giles would be on a plane to Boston already
 
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Tatum is close friends with Giles. If they weren’t hugging the tax line, Giles would be on a plane to Boston already
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He’s a min salary. Unless we leave the final roster spot open it wouldn’t matter. Having said that, Giles has been hot garbage since he’s been in the league.
 
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Really rough of Brad to hold on to him until the last possible minute here so he didn't have a chance to catch on with another team on preseason.

The signing they make will be telling about Time Lord's knees for sure. If they sign someone like Jahlil Okafor, things are looking real bad for his health this year.
 
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Really rough of Brad to hold on to him until the last possible minute here so he didn't have a chance to catch on with another team on preseason.

The signing they make will be telling about Time Lord's knees for sure. If they sign someone like Jahlil Okafor, things are looking real bad for his health this year.
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if the C's sign Okafor we've got bigger issues than TL's knee

I think Brad/Ime liked what they saw from Horford. Could see them playing Al at the 4 quite a bit (I got this way wrong a few weeks ago if that's the case :eek: ). Maybe they can find a good defensive 5 from all the cuts
 
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His previous deal was for about $2.3 million: half guaranteed on opening night, half on Jan 10.

I wonder what the new terms are - but they would have to be more team friendly than the previous deal. But how much more team friendly could it be?
 
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Eddie Jurak said:
His previous deal was for about $2.3 million: half guaranteed on opening night, half on Jan 10.

I wonder what the new terms are - but they would have to be more team friendly than the previous deal. But how much more team friendly could it be?
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Assuming he's still at the minimum on a one year deal, instead of the second year of a two year deal, the league reimburses the Celtics for part of his salary and his cap number would be the same as Kanter at just under 1.67M

Probably fully non-guaranteed as well. Or at least less guaranteed than his old deal, which would've been 50% guaranteed tomorrow.
 
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I was sorry to see him go and thus am glad to see him back. It's incredible how his value has shrunk over his career, but having him as a deep bench guy seems worthwhile.
 
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