The Andre Johnson Watch: Will Skip Minicamp
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Sign me up if they release him for some reason. Otherwise pass. There are a few teams that could compete in the playoffs and have the cap-space to take on his contract if they were to acquire him via trade: Bengals, Eagles, Packers. Not a capologist, but I don't think the Patriots could take on his cap hits without serious restructure, so I would think the only way to make it work is if they sign him after he gets released.
http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Andre%20Johnson&Position=WR&Team=Texans
They'd probably release him next year if they don't have a QB by then, based on the cap savings.
http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Andre%20Johnson&Position=WR&Team=Texans
They'd probably release him next year if they don't have a QB by then, based on the cap savings.
He's 32 and not a RB. "Twilight" is too negative.
Have to see if you can do it without long term cap damage. Kick the tires and see.
Have to see if you can do it without long term cap damage. Kick the tires and see.
That base salary and roster bonus is prohibitive. He'd have to either be willing to restructure to probably 50% or less make way for a trade or just work it out where the Texans cut him. A cut may actually make sense for both sides. Then maybe Denver will cut Welker and sign him 
. I'd think it depends on how realistic the Texans think their chances are that they can get back to where they were 2 years ago.
. I'd think it depends on how realistic the Texans think their chances are that they can get back to where they were 2 years ago.
In a Twitter back and forth with Mike Loyko and myself, Miguel explains that it is possible for this to happen although I think it's rather unlikely. He says they could do it one of two ways: either simply have Johnson take a paycut or convert a lot of his salary into a signing bonus. Also, another way to shave some money off the cap is to cut Amendola after June 1 which would lower his cap hit by $1.375 million.
Looking at the chart, the cap hit for the team trading for Johnson would be about 11M. Pats are about 7.7 M under the cap and still need to sign the rookies plus they like to leave a little in reserve.
So the Pats would need to clear a decent amount of space but it is doable. Cutting Connolly as has been discussed in other threads would save about $2.6M.
So the Pats would need to clear a decent amount of space but it is doable. Cutting Connolly as has been discussed in other threads would save about $2.6M.
The money is prohibitive for this year's cap. The acquisition cost (realistically) is a 2nd round pick. Any renegotiation locks Johnson in past his age 35 season and there just aren't that many WR who remain as productive at 35 as they were at 30.
I thought it made sense before this year's draft, as part of a bigger package, and when there was more cap room. It doesn't make sense now.
I thought it made sense before this year's draft, as part of a bigger package, and when there was more cap room. It doesn't make sense now.
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
1) Former Patriots coach Bill O'Brien now in charge of Texans.
2) Texans need a quarterback.
3) Texans known to have an interest in Ryan Mallet.
4) Texans planned on drafting Jimmy Garoppolo with their next pick.
5) Patriots troll Texans by drafting Garoppolo before they do.
6) Patriots now control two quarterbacks favored by Texans.
7) Texans have a Hall of Fame WR forcing his way to a contender.
8) Patriots need a real wide receiver for Brady to finish his career with.
9) Texans still need a quarterback.
10) Patriots make Texans an offer they couldn't refuse.
C'mon, it could happen.
1) Former Patriots coach Bill O'Brien now in charge of Texans.
2) Texans need a quarterback.
3) Texans known to have an interest in Ryan Mallet.
4) Texans planned on drafting Jimmy Garoppolo with their next pick.
5) Patriots troll Texans by drafting Garoppolo before they do.
6) Patriots now control two quarterbacks favored by Texans.
7) Texans have a Hall of Fame WR forcing his way to a contender.
8) Patriots need a real wide receiver for Brady to finish his career with.
9) Texans still need a quarterback.
10) Patriots make Texans an offer they couldn't refuse.
C'mon, it could happen.
You can add 5M to the number the Pats would need to shed in order to fit Johnson's charge under the cap. The Pats will not enter camp/the season with negligible cap space.
Reardons Beard said:
You know there are more than 2 teams in the NFL, right?
Also, you forgot number 11.
He wouldn't be here next year with those numbers, so is having him around for one year really worth 6 million in dead money the next two years? Maybe it is, but I'm having a hard time seeing Bill doing something like that. I think the only chance, which is highly unlikely, is that he gets cut and agrees to take less money to play with the Pats. Since he'll have other options with elite teams who can probably offer him more, I don't see it, especially since Houston will probably want the Pats to throw in a high pick.
Ed Hillel said:
I agree with Ed here.
Andre Johnson is still very effective and has been incredibly consistent (minus an injury-shortened 2011 season) but a $6m dead money in year 2 and 3 is no way worth the production. And I very much doubt that Johnson forces a trade nor Texans cuts him outright.
That makes another team offering at least a 2nd rounder and take on the salary as-is, and I doubt that'll be the Patriots (and I'm happy Pats won't be).
Fuck whatever the idiot said in the post above.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/16/andre-johnson-wont-be-coming-to-mandatory-minicamp/
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/16/andre-johnson-wont-be-coming-to-mandatory-minicamp/
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I think the 49ers make the most sense, but don't think they have the cap room.
What about the Eagles, who also have a need at WR but have some cap space as well. Does Kelly feel he can make anyone a productive WR in his offense and doesn't need to pay?
What about the Eagles, who also have a need at WR but have some cap space as well. Does Kelly feel he can make anyone a productive WR in his offense and doesn't need to pay?
RedOctober3829 said:
No. His base salary alone is $10 million, NE only has 7.2 in space as of this morning. Would have to restructure or extend.
PaulinMyrBch said:
The thing is, Florio cites the Panthers as having cap issues in a Johnson trade, but wouldn't the same apply to the Patriots?
Cleveland certainly has a lot of cap space, but with Gordon's suspension, I'm not sure Johnson wants to go there?
As far as cap issues, here is how Andre Johnson could restructure his contract by converting salary into SB money and therefore spreading his money into future years. This is from Miguel back in May.
Edit: Miguel now says that the new team would NOT be responsible for the roster bonus.
Edit: Miguel now says that the new team would NOT be responsible for the roster bonus.
Devizier said:
It would be much easier for the Pats. Releasing Connolly would almost get it done. A McCourty extension would finish it off effortlessly. The Panthers would have to make real decisions.
Or they could restructure Johnson and get it done easily.
Why would the Texans want to help out the Patriots? I mean, I get the O'Brien connection, but the last thing he'd want to be seen as is being in BB's back pocket.
Houston fell off a cliff last season, but the defense is solid and with any sort of consistent play from the QB position can be right back in the playoff picture.
So, why wouldn't they be looking at an NFC team to send Johnson to? What makes the Patriots so desirable a trading partner?
Houston fell off a cliff last season, but the defense is solid and with any sort of consistent play from the QB position can be right back in the playoff picture.
So, why wouldn't they be looking at an NFC team to send Johnson to? What makes the Patriots so desirable a trading partner?
RedOctober3829 said:
Given the cap hit, it probably wouldn't cost that much. He's a very good player, but he's not worth his contract as basically a 2-year committment at a 15-16 million cap hit. For a team in the situation of the Patriots, it's an overpay that makes sense, but I'd be surprised if there are too many suitors that Johnson would also "accept" a trade to (not threatening to hold out). I think you're probably down to the Pats, Ravens, Panthers, and maybe the Niners? Who is going to offer something better than Mallett and a third? But if it did come down to it, I'd probably overpay as well. I know I personally view this as a very critical 2-3 year period, but the question is whether Belichick does as well, even if he won't admit it publicly. The other thing to consider is that, while the Pats have a ton of money next year available, they will have some gaps, and will they have enough with Johnson's contract next season to keep Revis around? Provided he's healthy and effective, I'd rather pay Revis if that's a necessary choice.
Another idea is to make a 2015 draft pick conditional based on if he's on the Patriots roster on the first day of the 2015 league year. Give them a 2nd and a 6th if he is still on the team and a 2nd/7th if he isn't. You could restructure the deal to make it team-friendly for the first year and then see if his production is still at a high level. If it is, then you rip up the deal and give him an extension to spread the money down the line so you don't have a $15 million cap hit in 2015.Ed Hillel said:
I would think that like Danny Ainge vis-a-vis the Cavs and their LeBron Quest, the Texans would do the best deal they could do for the Texans. If the Pats offer the best haul for the player, they'd be foolish to shy away just because it's Bill Belichick on the other side. I could understand that thinking if the would be trade partner was a division foe and the Texans would have to see Johnson twice a season. But being a contending team from the same conference shouldn't be a deal breaker.E5 Yaz said:
Papelbon's Poutine said:
Not sure what you mean. I think if a team has the space (11M) for him WO a restructure they could prefer that route. For a team, there are plusses and minuses to both restructuring and not restructuring. With someone malcontent like Johnson right now, I wouldn't jump at the chance to guarantee him any money unless I had to.
E5 Yaz said:
Cuz we have Mallett!
I actually think the Pats have an advantage because they have a surplus of WRs that already know BO'B's offense.
koufax32 said:
If it's true that the Texans like Mallett and Garoppolo, and the Pats liked Savage, something like Mallett/Garoppolo and a WR like Thompkins/Boyce/Amendola and some low picks for Johnson and Savage would make sense for both sides IMO.
Ed Hillel said:
I agree, but I think it also depends on how sensitive O'Brien may be to the local media/fans criticism, if they perceive any deal to the Pats as "soft" -- for being a new coach as well as having the Patriots connection.
AJ is as much of a Mount Rushmore type of a guy for the Texans as anyone else. His perceived value has to be inflated in the eyes of the fan base. What I like is that Johnson is doing his best to deflate that, and hopefully Houston FO does what's best for the team and accept a fair trade.
Mallett is a throw-in, but a 2015 2nd and 5th may get the job done.
phragle said:
I'd be completely shocked if they traded Garoppolo away. Savage is intriguing but he's a prospect -- one with a reputation of being a couple of seasons away from being a legit QB in the NFL.
I'd give Texans future draft picks instead of packaging Garoppolo in a deal.
phragle said:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/trades
This is just for the 2014 calendar year, 10 trades have been made so far for players. Only one of the 10 trades involved players switching teams (TJ Yates for Akeen Dent). All the other trades were players for draft picks
I know this is a SSS but NFL trades that involve players swapping teams seem incredibly rare events. If this gets done, it gets done for draft picks. Maybe Mallet's fit in Houston is the perfect storm for a player for player swap, but there is no chance of a package of players going each way.