The 2023 Injury Thread

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YTF said:
Arroyo/Chang/Valdez is going to require some decision making. Then you need to factor in Mondasi, but honestly I'm not overly concerned with that decision. I think Mondasi makes Arroyo expendable, Chang gets sent down and perhaps there is room for Valdez on the bench. With the positional flexibility of Hernandez, Story, Mondesi there should some sort of workable rotation for there to be plenty of ABs to go around, give guys semi regular days off and in some respect strengthen the bench.
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Chang does not have options. My guess is that if everyone's healthy, Arroyo is on the bench, Valdez is in Worcester and Chang is DFA (and maybe slips through waivers so they can outright him). If Mondesi is back as well, I think the odd man out is actually Tapia. Then they carry Arroyo and Kike on the bench with Kike splitting time between the infield and outfield.

Fortunately, I doubt very much there's going to be a point where all of these guys (and let's not forget Duvall) will be healthy and available. And if they are, someone else will be banged up or slumping and things will sort themselves out.
 
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When Story and Duvall come back I could see Refsnyder getting dfa'ed. He did get 3 hits today but before that was hitting .224 which is much more in line with his career average than last year was. I think last year was the outlier and when more of the players currently on the IL get healthy he becomes redundant. If Duran keeps playing well he should stay in CF at least against righties. Against lefties either Duvall or Kike plays there and the other becomes DH or whatever (maybe Kike at 2B or SS depending on who else is healthy and/or playing well).
 
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Red(s)HawksFan said:
Chang does not have options. My guess is that if everyone's healthy, Arroyo is on the bench, Valdez is in Worcester and Chang is DFA (and maybe slips through waivers so they can outright him). If Mondesi is back as well, I think the odd man out is actually Tapia. Then they carry Arroyo and Kike on the bench with Kike splitting time between the infield and outfield.

Fortunately, I doubt very much there's going to be a point where all of these guys (and let's not forget Duvall) will be healthy and available. And if they are, someone else will be banged up or slumping and things will sort themselves out.
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Chang has shown enough this season that I'd expect a bad team to snap him up if exposed to waivers. He's a good shortstop, and the offensive upside is tantalizing.

The A's are currently starting a guy with a good glove and a 10 wRC+. Not a typo.
 
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Chang has hit a few dramatic homers, but his overall line of 136/174/341 doesn’t seem worth thinking overly hard about, especially since he’s not particularly young.
 
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Right, and the stopgaps to me are a very clear indicator of their actual plan. They are waiting. Whether it's internal development or free agents, they haven't wanted to go all in. Next winter will be a good time to go all-in on pitching. this year the top guy was Carlos Rodon. The support down on the farm is building but not especially ripe. It will take time.I wish more people could acknowledge the time scale that baseball works on. It's not like other sports.
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I think this is right. I've been critical of Bloom generally, with the caveat of acknowledging that he has done some things well. But if the organization has stuck with him this long, then they really should see his work through the 2024 season. I think - I hope - that next off season he will feel his "plan" justifies being more aggressive on the FA or trade front to acquire some blue chip arms. And the expectation for 2024 should be the team makes and advances in the post season (I suppose they could make the post season this season, though I'm still skeptical they will, given the age and fragility of their starting staff). And if they don't then the organization's gotta pivot.
 
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Lots of updates in The Athletic today. (https://theathletic.com/4519860/2023/05/15/red-sox-notes-ryan-brasier-done/)
- Duvall got the cast off but hasn't started baseball activities yet
- Chang is hitting off a tee
- Mondesi "had a check-up in Boston last week, and all was OK but he’s still not doing much more than ramping up. Structurally everything is good for Mondesi, but he’s not bouncing back as quickly as the Red Sox thought he would."
- Arroyo "has tracked pitches, but isn’t taking grounders yet and likely will need longer than 10 days."
- Whitlock "is scheduled for rehab starts on Tuesday and Sunday for Triple-A Worcester."
- Crawford "threw live batting practice Saturday at Fenway and will make a rehab appearance Tuesday in Worcester following Whitlock. The plan is for Crawford to pitch three innings after Whitlock. If all goes well, Crawford will be activated during the Red Sox trip to San Diego this weekend."
 
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I think this is right. I've been critical of Bloom generally, with the caveat of acknowledging that he has done some things well. But if the organization has stuck with him this long, then they really should see his work through the 2024 season. I think - I hope - that next off season he will feel his "plan" justifies being more aggressive on the FA or trade front to acquire some blue chip arms. And the expectation for 2024 should be the team makes and advances in the post season (I suppose they could make the post season this season, though I'm still skeptical they will, given the age and fragility of their starting staff). And if they don't then the organization's gotta pivot.
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You mean push in more chips a la Dombro? Maybe. I don't know if it's a pivot so much as a difference of degree. I also don't know if they would ever blame Bloom for prospects working out or not. There's a lot less "the GM should have known better" in baseball than in other sports. But hopefully it doesn't come anywhere near that.
 
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Heating up in the bullpen said:
Lots of updates in The Athletic today. (https://theathletic.com/4519860/2023/05/15/red-sox-notes-ryan-brasier-done/)
- Duvall got the cast off but hasn't started baseball activities yet
- Chang is hitting off a tee
- Mondesi "had a check-up in Boston last week, and all was OK but he’s still not doing much more than ramping up. Structurally everything is good for Mondesi, but he’s not bouncing back as quickly as the Red Sox thought he would."
- Arroyo "has tracked pitches, but isn’t taking grounders yet and likely will need longer than 10 days."
- Whitlock "is scheduled for rehab starts on Tuesday and Sunday for Triple-A Worcester."
- Crawford "threw live batting practice Saturday at Fenway and will make a rehab appearance Tuesday in Worcester following Whitlock. The plan is for Crawford to pitch three innings after Whitlock. If all goes well, Crawford will be activated during the Red Sox trip to San Diego this weekend."
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My bet is on Bleier being traded/DFA'd when Crawford gets back, with Bernardino sitting in a strong second place.
 
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Benj4ever said:
My bet is on Bleier being traded/DFA'd when Crawford gets back, with Bernardino sitting in a strong second place.
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I think Bernandino has options remaining and while he's 31 years old he's still a rookie me. aning he's never going to get paid. He may end up a casualty of the 40 man numbers game, but I'd love if there's a way to keep him around a little longer to see if he might be able to contribute.
 
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MLB reports that:
Duvall got his first rehab start, at DH, with Worcester tonight. 0-3 with 2 Ks and a flyout. He's expected to play the outfield tomorrow.
Chang's playing rehab has stopped for the moment due to soreness in his wrist.
Arroyo will play again for Worcester tomorrow, according to Cora, and then the Sox will assess what's next (maybe activated June 2 for the Rays series).
 
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Recent injury updates:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/06/10/sports/after-long-layoff-red-sox-adam-duvall-giving-himself-time-get-back-swing/


Although John Schreiber — the Sox’ usual seventh inning reliever — is progressing and out to 75 feet in his throwing program, there’s no timeline for his return.

Richard Bleier (shoulder), who last pitched May 21, is still feeling soreness and hasn’t reacted well to treatment. Another MRI showed shoulder inflammation, and he’s been shut down from all baseball activity.

Yu Chang (broken hamate bone) felt soreness in his hand area after Thursday’s rehab game for Triple A Worcester. Chang won’t play this weekend and the team will check on him Monday, with the hope that he will continue his rehab assignment Tuesday. Cora reiterated it’s a matter of pain tolerance for Chang, who had the hamate bone removed during surgery. “This is about feel now,” Cora said. “It’s just about him getting used to it and we’ll see how it goes.” The same pain happened in Chang’s first rehab assignment, forcing a shutdown.

Trevor Story (elbow) is throwing out to 110 feet at the team’s complex in Fort Myers, plus hitting on the field for the first time. He will travel to Fenway for the series with his former team, the Rockies, beginning Monday so the club can check his progress.

Josh Winckowski was under the weather Friday, so he wasn’t available. But now he’s back.

Adalberto Mondesi (knee) still isn’t progressing much, according to Cora.

In the minors, Miguel Bleis is out for the rest of the season with a shoulder injury.
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2023/06/10/red-sox-prospect-miguel-bleis-shoulder-surgery-injury-update-out-for-season/

With the Woo Sox, David Hamilton hasn't played since May 31 and is on the IL with a left thumb sprain.
 
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moondog80 said:
I fell like he's not super useful as a DH, may as well give it a bit more time and just have him play SS from the start?
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Agreed. Story being a DH-only forces them to find a place to play JT in the field full time, which means sitting Casas or Devers, or hoping JT can hold up defensively at 2B for more than a couple innings at a time.

Honestly, I think the DH-only thing is a media idea rather than something they're seriously considering. Unless one of Casas, Devers, or JT gets hurt, I guess.
 
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Max Power said:
Josh Taylor is currently sporting an 8.15 ERA in 17 games. So maybe the Red Sox still won the trade?
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There's also still a chance that the minor league player the Sox got in addition to Mondesi pays off in some way (he's only 19). Certainly wouldn't take much.
 
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Well, it was worth a shot. Question is if we see him next year or if he goes elsewhere. My best guess is that we never see him play for BOS.
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Yes. Frustrating but very low cost so whatever. He's a FA, so he's got every incentive to try and get back. He's presumably not being lazy or weak. Some guys have all the talent in the world but their bodies just can't withstand the rigors of pro sports. The Pats got Gronk with the 42nd pick in the draft because he had big injury concerns. My only question is whether KC was forthcoming with of the medicals, but again, the cost was so low it's probably not worth causing a big fuss.
 
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Yes. Frustrating but very low cost so whatever. He's a FA, so he's got every incentive to try and get back. He's presumably not being lazy or weak. Some guys have all the talent in the world but their bodies just can't withstand the rigors of pro sports. The Pats got Gronk with the 42nd pick in the draft because he had big injury concerns. My only question is whether KC was forthcoming with of the medicals, but again, the cost was so low it's probably not worth causing a big fuss.
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Eh, it was one injured player traded for another injured player.
 
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Well, it was worth a shot. Question is if we see him next year or if he goes elsewhere. My best guess is that we never see him play for BOS.
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Add him to the "I Never Knew He Was a Red Sox " List. He could actually join Gene Stick Michael as guys who were technically Red Sox property but never appeared in a game for them. Stick was on the Sox roster for 12 games in April of 1975. I guess Rolli Fingers could go on that list too.
 
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koufax32 said:
Well, it was worth a shot. Question is if we see him next year or if he goes elsewhere. My best guess is that we never see him play for BOS.
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The persistent pain this far out is curious and makes me wonder whether something is orthopedically wrong. He may need another procedure. Given how much of his value is tied up in speed and defense, this could be career-threatening.
 
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As a retired ophthalmologist I feel obligated to make a nonofficial guess, but it depends upon the location and extent of the fracture. Basketball players can resume action fairly soon wearing a plastic mask, but I don't remember seeing any pitchers ever wearing one. If there is any chance of eye mobility being involved, i.e. a blowout fracture of the orbit, surgery could be an option. We'll all know next week for sure, but my premature, non-educated guess is it will be 30-60 days before we see him back on the mound. A's pitcher, Chris Bassitt, had a similar injury in 2021 and returned after a month, but he also required a surgical repair.
 
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Is a mask for a non-catcher even legal in MLB? One does see pitchers, first basemen and third basemen in softball wearing them.
 
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Humphrey said:
Is a mask for a non-catcher even legal in MLB? One does see pitchers, first basemen and third basemen in softball wearing them.
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I know a few years ago when Stanton still played for the Marlins, he wore a face mask contraption after missing time because he got hit in the face with a pitch. I know he wore it batting not sure if Stanton wore it in the field, although it would be different since he played right field.
 
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Humphrey said:
Is a mask for a non-catcher even legal in MLB? One does see pitchers, first basemen and third basemen in softball wearing them.
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There's no rule against it at all. I imagine the reason no one wears one is because no one wants to be the first.

I bet if the team docs told Houck (or any pitcher in his position) his choice was being able to pitch in two weeks if he wears a mask or waiting 5-6 weeks to get back on a live mound without a mask, he'd give the mask a shot.
 
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