- Dec 22, 2002
From the 12/5 CFB gamethread:
MentalDisabldLst said:I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing out of Mariota tonight. A bunch of throws that are commonplace in the NFL have been placed behind, above or well in front of his receivers. His defense looks like national championship material, and his O line basically looks like they're playing against high schoolers, but he has not been as impressive as I was expecting in the first full game of his that I've watched.
For example, on that 2nd and goal play just now, his two right-side receivers came out, the wide guy cut inside but was covered, the slot guy cut outside and was open by a mile - but he locked onto the inside guy and didn't just make a poor decision, he made a bad throw way too far in front of the guy.
If the Jets draft this guy in the top 3 picks, they're going to get Geno Smith 2.0. I don't see him as an NFL difference-maker based on what I've seen tonight, even if he gets the Heisman. Unless you guys tell me this is the worst night he's had all year (other than, you know, the last time they played Arizona), I'd be willing to bet that Manziel has a better NFL career than Mariota does.
Freddy Linn said:
I'm surprised that you decided to come to these conclusions, on this site, after admittedly watching a single game. I'd be curious what SoshCentral has to say.
DLew On Roids said:Mariota certainly has a lot of work to do in transitioning to the NFL. MDL's right that the holes available to him to run, even against top FBS opponents, won't be there against NFL defenses (it also helps if a defender falls on his ass). That's baked into any assessment, though; you know as an evaluator that he can't run as much, so you focus on his passing.
My big concern if I'm considering drafting Mariota is his footwork. He seems to throw off the back foot or use a jump pass an awful lot, even when he's in the pocket. Those lollipop passes are getting defensed or intercepted a lot more often in the NFL where speed in defenses closes holes in the passing game quickly. A big part of that could be Oregon's offense, though, since it puts Mariota in motion by design quite often. That doesn't give him much opportunity to set his feet. But I'd still want to see him do it before I drafted him near the top of Round 1.
In a sense he reminds me of Philip Rivers. When Rivers was coming out, he was lollipopping the ball all over the place using that crazy shot-put throwing motion that had worked at NC State for four years. I thought there was no way that shit would fly in the NFL because (a) defenses would close on the ball and (b) he'd get passes blocked at the line. But he was adaptable enough to change his motion and become an excellent NFL QB.
Infield Infidel said:The footwork thing is basically the way it is for any QB coming out of a spread system. RG3, Manziel, heck even Drew Brees had trouble with it his first couple seasons. I think Mariota will figure it out, but he has at least shown that his footwork is usually good, but has lapses here and there.
The bigger issue is playing under center, he hasn't ever had to do that. He's pretty good at reading defenses but it's another thing to read a defense during a dropback as opposed to the shotgun.
Freddy Linn said:He's accounted for 124 TDs (25 rushing) versus 12 INTs in the last three years.
Against clown-shoed defenses.
(I think the same of the Big 12, just for the record)
His two rush TDs tonight, if you were to diagram them out, I think would end up looking like plays that get dropped by every NFL D-Line for a loss. Both were kinda scrambles where the DL basically fell down trying to accelerate to close out laterally. It's the same reason some of Manziel's bag of tricks won't fly in the pros - I just think he has a deeper bag of tricks and a more accurate throwing arm.
Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:You're basing these conclusions on watching one game?
Mariotta is 6'4" versus Manziel's 6'0". That's a significant difference.
Philip Jeff Frye said:It certainly hasn't been his best night.
Infield Infidel said: