That’s my quarterback!……or is he?
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The odd thing about Mac this year is that his "strengths" have not shown up AT ALL.
He was supposed to have mediocre arm talent (that's still showing up) but make up for it with above average accuracy, processing, and football IQ. Instead, he can't process at all and makes ton of inaccurate throws.
Hard to believe this is the same guy from Alabama or the first 10 games of his rookie year. The best hope is that Patricia/Judge are just so terrible they've ruined any chance to evaluate the guy fairly.
He was supposed to have mediocre arm talent (that's still showing up) but make up for it with above average accuracy, processing, and football IQ. Instead, he can't process at all and makes ton of inaccurate throws.
Hard to believe this is the same guy from Alabama or the first 10 games of his rookie year. The best hope is that Patricia/Judge are just so terrible they've ruined any chance to evaluate the guy fairly.
He also has the best offensive line in football, a great offensive coaching group, and oh, AJ Brown, Davonte Smith, Dallas Goedert and Miles Sanders. And the Dallas pass defense is bad.
Minshew had a comparable group around him in 2020 in Jacksonville as the Pats now. They went 1-7 when he started.
In a dome with, if not the best, one of the best lines in the league. I like Minshew too but I don’t know how good he is.
I don't mind letting Mac compete for the job next year. But I want to see another first or second round QB, ideally one with more tools and a lot more upside than Mac has.
I'd draft a QB highly every other year until they hit. Let them compete, back up, earn the position, whatever. But I'm not waiting another year before buying another lottery ticket.
I'd draft a QB highly every other year until they hit. Let them compete, back up, earn the position, whatever. But I'm not waiting another year before buying another lottery ticket.
He was like 4-7 for 20 yards or something absurd like that at the half. He was OK but got some very good breaks in the second half. I still find it hard to get a read on him because the rest of the offise is such a mess.
48 of the yards came here, which is... not how it was drawn up.
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He was lousy in the first half. Granted the WRs sucked and his OL did him no favors, but he was also lousy. He made a few more plays in the second half. But honestly basic QB stats are largely useless in todays NFL. Unless a guy is notably awful (say, 6-30) or notably great (say, 34-40) then everything else in between tells you next to nothing about the day a QB actually had. I continue to strongly believe that there aren’t stats that tell the full story of QB play. There’s too many moving pieces.
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Anyone know what he did on that second to last drive?
Edit -He pulled someone off the pile. Sounds lame, but haven’t seen video.
Anyone know what he did on that second to last drive?
Edit -He pulled someone off the pile. Sounds lame, but haven’t seen video.
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He put the ball on a receivers hands on that play. One could also argue Washington probably should have caught it. But, if you eliminate that play, and then give Mac the yards that his receivers dropped, particularly Thorntons, you still have comparable numbers.
QB stats are a mess. Burrow should have had about 4 picks today, but only had one. Instead, his numbers look great. On the whole, I would argue Macs stats this season have been depressed more by bad receiver play, than they've been enhanced by receivers making plays, although I guess others disagree.
It’s hard to be lovable when you’re losing, but that’s a real bullshit move diving at some dude’s legs 10 yards behind the play.
He blindside cutblocked someone not in the play after the whistle blew?
Even if he didn’t hear it, wtf is that?
Even if it does go unpunished, it's an example of a quarterback who doesn't seem to have his head in the game -- taking out a guy 5-10 yards away from the ball for no conceivable reason
edit ... that's the type of move that can get a Patriots player injured in retribution
Dirty as hell play. Incredibly hard to stop on a dime like that.
Mac is a loser in every sense of the word. Can’t wait for when he’s off this team.
So Jimmy G? Fix the online and he could be good in the type of offense they should run (with nee coaches obviously)
I wonder how much of that was overcompensation for the criticism he got for his poor attempt at tackling on the final play last week.
Don’t think any. It was a split second play that was entirely based on instinct. I think his instinct is to play dirty. He’s done stuff like this before. He mentally can’t handle the job and it’s clear as day every game he plays.
Cross posting from the other thread, but I’m done with this guy. It’s one thing to not have the tools to be an NFL QB, which I think is pretty clear at this point, but he’s also a child, an asshole, and a dirty player. I don’t want him as the QB of this team next year.
I think there is a huge difference between... Should he tackle a player with the ball and... Hey let me try to blow out a player's knee away from the play.
Mac has a long history of being a dirty little shit.
While I agree that kicking the tires on 26-year old Gardner Minshew seems like a terrible idea; particularly for the bolded, but also because Minshew has never been very good, the Dallas pass defense is a top 10 squad this year.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/opp.htm
I mean, one guy had the ball and was running for the game winning TD and Jones had the only shot at stopping him, the other was trailing the play and Jones dove at his legs for no known reason. They aren’t remotely the same situations.
Edit: Or what @Cellar-Door said. Mac has more than one cheap/dirty play under his belt in less than two years in the league. He seems like a dickhead.
The jury is out on Jones for me. I want to see him with a better O-line and a real OC before I throw him away.
First off, I’m not bagging on Mac for not tackling Chandler Jones. He had no chance on that play given Chandler’s momentum and the size differential. Second, I am in no way suggesting he should have tripped him or swept the leg or whatever.
Your entire argument is talk radio strawman bullshit. The dude dove at the legs of a guy way behind the play because he’s a petulant child who cannot contain his emotions on the field when shit isn’t going his way. The one play has absolutely nothing to do with the other. That there are some people in the universe who wanted him to trip Chandler Jones does not change the fact that the play yesterday was dirty as shit.
He also got a 15 yard penalty on the Rham fumble play for acting like a shithead. He’s a child and a moron.
He dove at the front of his legs. That's not a cheap shot. It's a block you see in the NFL. Mac doesn't try to chase down the play and people complain he isn't trying. Then he tries and he's a cheap shot artist.
"Petulant child" "Moron". Lol. You really do sit on a truly impressive throne of judgement. I wonder what that must feel like, to be perfect. If only we could all be like you.
Both Mac and the guy he took out were hopelessly out of the play. Diving at his legs there is bullshit.
The rest of your post sucks, but hey, you do you.
Yeah, that's the thing. The guy Mac took out had no role remaining in the play. It's not like he was diving at the ball carrier
I'd be way more lenient on that play by Mac were it not for the Brian Burns stuff last year. I think that takes it from "yeah, a little cheap but not really an injury risk" to "I think he was frustrated and took it out on the guy to fuck him up".
The Mac play is its own thing. It should be discussed or not on its merits.
The fact that Julian Edelman mentioned that he thought Mac should have tripped Chandler, and it momentarily made some of us say “huh” and discuss it for a moment (half of which was kind of a rules discussion) after a rough loss is a totally different thing. It’s a red herring to the discussion of whether yesterday’s play was dirty.
The fact that Julian Edelman mentioned that he thought Mac should have tripped Chandler, and it momentarily made some of us say “huh” and discuss it for a moment (half of which was kind of a rules discussion) after a rough loss is a totally different thing. It’s a red herring to the discussion of whether yesterday’s play was dirty.
And also cause Mac to lose respect in his own locker room. He’s getting difficult to root for, to be honest.
The refs had been whistling the play dead for a good 3 seconds. Besides the fact it was 10 yards behind the play with no bearing on it at all... The dead play. That's pretty cheap.
Not true. Besides the play being dead as mentioned, it is illegal to block below the waist after a change of possession or downfield.
It's just a dangerous play that leads to serious injuries.
I don’t think anyone is complaining that he chased down the play…but diving at someone’s legs thats a good 5 yards behind the play who doesn’t have the ball is dirty and that doesn’t even account for the fact that the whistle had already blown.
You can like Mac or hate his guts but I don’t understand how you could stick up for that play at all
NDame616 already laid out why this is probably wrong but if you are right that’s probably worse. If criticism gets into his head that much that he’s randomly chop blocking people to show “effort” that’s pretty mentally weak
I'm not going to quote anyone because this is universally the case, but I am always fascinated that perceived "dirty play" is such a bridge-burning thing for so many fans. I'm not judging anyone who feels that way, but, we do often see less outrage over more odious/unforgivable behavior than a lazy poor-sport tackle from other pro athletes. Again, not pointing any fingers at any particular posters, not even saying there's anything wrong with the discrepancy, just noting an observation. Few values as easily impuned as sportsmanship, it would seem.
Personally the tackle to me looks like it's made out of frustration and while that's definitely not laudable or wise, I can empathize with it. I can imagine doing (and regretting) that in the heat of the moment. Drunk driving, as a random common example, I personally find less forgivable than that tackle. I'd much rather they cut moderately productive DUI offenders than sportsmanship ones.
Edit: as to the thread subject itself, I think Mac could be "good enough" on an otherwise strong/smart offense, an evolved version of last year's team. But he's not a creator, he's average for the league at best. That can work if they improve elsewhere, and given the draft capital they spent, I expect that will be the '23 tack.
Personally the tackle to me looks like it's made out of frustration and while that's definitely not laudable or wise, I can empathize with it. I can imagine doing (and regretting) that in the heat of the moment. Drunk driving, as a random common example, I personally find less forgivable than that tackle. I'd much rather they cut moderately productive DUI offenders than sportsmanship ones.
Edit: as to the thread subject itself, I think Mac could be "good enough" on an otherwise strong/smart offense, an evolved version of last year's team. But he's not a creator, he's average for the league at best. That can work if they improve elsewhere, and given the draft capital they spent, I expect that will be the '23 tack.
They were a very good pass defense early in the year. They lost Anthony Brown (starting corner) to an achilles in Week 13. They lost their starting nickel CB, Jourdan Lewis, after week 7. During their 1st 10 games, they only gave up 200 yards passing in 2 games. They've given up 200 passing yards in 5 consecutive games since, including 311 and 355 the past two weeks. They've been very lucky in that they've forced 14 turnovers in the past 4 games (going 3-1), but their defense is starting to get really banged up right now. They are even more fortunate that they hit on DaRon Bland, a 5th round pick (167th overall) that's playing like an all-pro right now.
Why are you comparing off field behavior to on field behavior? Would you want to root for a Sox pitcher who continually throws at batters’ heads? What about if the Celtics had Grayson Allen? What Mac did was dirty and cheap. Making a career in the NFL is tough. The player he tried to take out could have easily had his ruined by Mac’s attempt. The fact that he’s acting out of frustration isn’t a good justification. Doesn’t make Mac a bad human being but his on field persona needs some adjustments.
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“#Patriots QB Mac Jones will be evaluated by the NFL for a possible fine for his low hit on #Bengals CB Eli Apple, but not a suspension, per me and @TomPelissero. This will be reviewed in the normal fine timetable.”
“#Patriots QB Mac Jones will be evaluated by the NFL for a possible fine for his low hit on #Bengals CB Eli Apple, but not a suspension, per me and @TomPelissero. This will be reviewed in the normal fine timetable.”