That'd be up the butt, Bob - Kraft Charged with Soliciting.

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Yeah the real challenge is the sneak and peek warrant under the Patriot act. Seems like the cops may have significantly overstated their reason for suspicion of human trafficking. If the warrant gets tossed Kraft and the rest are going to walk.
Would be nice to have a scandal that doesn't have "gate" attached at the end of it. All those in favor?
 

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I was always a fan of "Ballghazi" for the Colts AFCCG brouhaha. Definitely love The Patriot Act as a name for this pseudo-scandal.
 

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I mean, sure, maybe he walks away from this without the misdemeanor charge sticking but the fact remains that he paid for a hand job in a strip mall spa. Personally I don't really care all that much, but lots of other people do and beating the charge because the video gets suppressed or the arrest is deemed invalid isn't going to change that. The only way this makes sense to me is that he believes that avoiding the criminal charge is key to avoiding some kind of disproportionate punishment from the league. Fighting it this way just keeps it in the news longer, and if he beats it the story just becomes how rich guys who can afford good lawyers can get away with anything. I am already cringing at the thought of a press conference or a statement from Kraft claiming vindication if the charges are dropped.
Isn't he fighting the charge just to try to make sure the video doesn't come out?
 

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Isn't he fighting the charge just to try to make sure the video doesn't come out?
Both, but not for the reasons you and I might be. He’s not going to jail regardless and he’s a billionaire business owner, so social and league standing are his motivations here. A guilty verdict and/or a public handy video do quite a bit of damage to both of those.
 

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So, they get a no notice sneak and peek warrant based on evidence that turns out to have been mistaken. I know that you can be wrong in seeking a warrant so long as you acted in good faith, and I'm hardly one of those crazies that gets overly worked up about privacy issues and the police state, but this strikes me as a very dangerous kind of tool to give law enforcement and to give elected prosecutors a fairly blunt instrument to gather up salacious stuff. I don't know if this gives Kraft's motion to suppress any teeth -- that's a question for RR -- but it does trouble me.

All of which is not to say that I don't find what Kraft did to be kind of repulsive. I mean, I love our team, but it turns my stomach to think of our owner having his Bentley wait outside a strip mall before a championship game so he can get a handjob.
 

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Kraft is fucking around with people playing with house money and nothing to lose. Nobody’s career in that office is going sideways over a botched Kraft prosecution.

If this isn’t positioning as a prelude to a plea deal, it’s unlikely to end well for Bob Kraft.
 

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When I watched a quick recap of the Celtics game, there was Kraft talking to Wyc on the court before the game.

Didn't there used to be a thing called "shame"? I'm pretty sure there was.
Dude went to Oscar parties one day after he was charged. Shame went out the window when Myra died. Now were just partying.
 

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When I watched a quick recap of the Celtics game, there was Kraft talking to Wyc on the court before the game.

Didn't there used to be a thing called "shame"? I'm pretty sure there was.
What does being on the court before a game have to do with shame? What level of itinerary contrition is acceptable?

Edited as Myt1 was right, but I'm genuinely curious what the post meant.
 
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What is it about disagreeing with someone that makes it necessary to completely distort what they’re saying?
 

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All of which is not to say that I don't find what Kraft did to be kind of repulsive. I mean, I love our team, but it turns my stomach to think of our owner having his Bentley wait outside a strip mall before a championship game so he can get a handjob.
So don't think about it?

This is an old, single guy finding his sexual gratification...not sure what way he does that without repulsing us in one way or another. He's not hurting anyone, let him do his thing.
 

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The whole thing? Is there a chart I can reference on what’s acceptable, keeping in mind that he’s plead not guilty and hasn’t been convicted of anything?
No, but you can presume:

1) Suppression motions are not file wrt videotapes that don’t exist.

2) Hand jobs are not free in commercial establishments.

What more do you need?
 

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No, but you can presume:

1) Suppression motions are not file wrt videotapes that don’t exist.

2) Hand jobs are not free in commercial establishments.

What more do you need?
The problem is, neither of those factors are tangible for consideration by any jury. They are not allowed to read between the lines like those of us in the court of public opinion are.
 

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The Speedy is usually never a mistake. A "natural speedy" -e.g., without a specific demand for a speedy trial made by motion- is 90 days. Kraft was served on 2/26. So the period expires on 5/27.

FWIW, the hearing on the motion to suppress is set on 4/26. I have read the defense memo on the motion, and it's good, if needlessly long-winded. No state memo has been filed yet.

It's possible that if the motion to suppress is resolved (say, a week for the ruling and another for a status conference) and the state still chooses to continue, the court will note the upcoming speedy and schedule trial sometime in May.

On 5/28, the defense can file a notice of speedy trial expiration. The court then has to schedule a hearing within 5 days. (Mon, 6/3) If the defense is ready for trial and has not moved for a continuance, the court has 10 days to try the case. (Thurs, 6/13 If the case is not tried, the defense can move for an automatic dismissal of all charges.

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Caveats: there are a boatload. For example, the rule is satisfied if the large jury panel is sworn and voir dire begins on the 10th day. No petit jury (the actual jury that hears the case) needs to be sworn or selected.

Speedies work best on groups of low-profile cases. But here, it seems if Kraft tries this, it could be in late May or early June.

There's a very good chance it will be televised. (Unless there's been some specific reporting to the contrary that I missed.)
 

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The Speedy is usually never a mistake. A "natural speedy" -e.g., without a specific demand for a speedy trial made by motion- is 90 days. Kraft was served on 2/26. So the period expires on 5/27.

FWIW, the hearing on the motion to suppress is set on 4/26. I have read the defense memo on the motion, and it's good, if needlessly long-winded. No state memo has been filed yet.

It's possible that if the motion to suppress is resolved (say, a week for the ruling and another for a status conference) and the state still chooses to continue, the court will note the upcoming speedy and schedule trial sometime in May.

On 5/28, the defense can file a notice of speedy trial expiration. The court then has to schedule a hearing within 5 days. (Mon, 6/3) If the defense is ready for trial and has not moved for a continuance, the court has 10 days to try the case. (Thurs, 6/13 If the case is not tried, the defense can move for an automatic dismissal of all charges.

***

Caveats: there are a boatload. For example, the rule is satisfied if the large jury panel is sworn and voir dire begins on the 10th day. No petit jury (the actual jury that hears the case) needs to be sworn or selected.

Speedies work best on groups of low-profile cases. But here, it seems if Kraft tries this, it could be in late May or early June.

There's a very good chance it will be televised. (Unless there's been some specific reporting to the contrary that I missed.)
Are we still doing phrasing?
 

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Because if he had a sense of shame it would be mortifying to be in a public space in front of thousands of people who know what he did.
Seriously? I mean, I have no interest in prostitutes but clearly many people do. Oldest profession and all that. Bob Kraft is one such person. Why on earth should he hide out because he was videotaped committing a misdemeanor? I get that not all misdemeanors are created equally and there’s a moral element with prostitution. Still, the suggestion that he essentially withdraw from the public seems ludicrous to me.
 

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PS - Just doing some reading in the docket and had a couple of interesting observations.

1) It appears two senior attorneys are handing this case for the S.A.

2) There was a State's response to the motion to suppress. It cites no law, proffers no actual grounds to deny the defense motion, and contains several glaring typos. It seems like a beginning draft was filed instead of a full response. So perhaps a memo or correction is coming before the hearing. But, technically, this is a huge problem unless it is corrected. I'm a little surprised at the sloppiness. And that's saying something.

3) In contrast the State has filed (today) a snippy and well argued memo on facts that go to the issue as to whether a protective order should be issued (keeping the tapes private.) Kraft's attorneys are arguing contrary facts in the motion to suppress and the motion for the protective order. Given #2 above, neither side is looking very good here.

4) The defense is memo happy - they have filed multiple supplemental memos on just about every issue.

5) Looks like the hearing for the 26th is on the video/protection order issue. edit - Or not. (There are two dockets and not everything seems filed in each one of them.) But it looks like something sure is set for then. And this MTS is not a day-of type hearing.
 
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Seriously? I mean, I have no interest in prostitutes but clearly many people do. Oldest profession and all that. Bob Kraft is one such person. Why on earth should he hide out because he was videotaped committing a misdemeanor? I get that not all misdemeanors are created equally and there’s a moral element with prostitution. Still, the suggestion that he essentially withdraw from the public seems ludicrous to me.
If it happened to you on Tuesday, would you cheerily march into your kid's soccer game on Saturday?
 

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If it happened to you on Tuesday, would you cheerily march into your kid's soccer game on Saturday?
I really don’t know how I would react. What Kraft has been charged with is altogether foreign to me.

But Kraft isn’t me and it’s been well more than 4 days.

And his life’s finish line is a lot closer than mine barring something unforeseen for either of us. Given the ticking clock, I certainly wouldn’t advise him to hide out if he was not so inclined.

Certainly what he’s done is not something to be proud of but public perception changes fast. Look at Tiger. Sure there are large differences but he went from the shame of being exposed as a serial philanderer who seemingly treated his wife like shit to someone whose golf redemption was breathlessly celebrated by one and nearly all without nary a mention of his off the course shame. I know it’s been years and not days or weeks, but the fact that Tiger has been totally forgiven by most remains the case. Similarly, remember when Marv Albert was a laughingstock? He’s back and no one references his weird incidents.

In Kraft’s shoes, I think I would be hoping for quick forgiveness and not shying away. I’d be acting as if I was as back and thereby hopefully making it so.
 

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Thank you.
That this was not immediately understood is kind of mind blowing. Even if you don't agree, you don't get it at all? Wow.
Meh, of course I and others get it. It’s not complicated.

Horrors, other people might just look at this differently.
 

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Meh, of course I and others get it. It’s not complicated.

Horrors, other people might just look at this differently.
Yeah, “meh” here too. It’s not like he came out and addressed the audience or really did anything. He was talking to one of his peers before a game. BFD. Why does he need to feel as ashamed as you would?
 

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I really don’t know how I would react. What Kraft has been charged with is altogether foreign to me.

But Kraft isn’t me and it’s been well more than 4 days.

And his life’s finish line is a lot closer than mine barring something unforeseen for either of us. Given the ticking clock, I certainly wouldn’t advise him to hide out if he was not so inclined.

Certainly what he’s done is not something to be proud of but public perception changes fast. Look at Tiger. Sure there are large differences but he went from the shame of being exposed as a serial philanderer who seemingly treated his wife like shit to someone whose golf redemption was breathlessly celebrated by one and nearly all without nary a mention of his off the course shame. I know it’s been years and not days or weeks, but the fact that Tiger has been totally forgiven by most remains the case. Similarly, remember when Marv Albert was a laughingstock? He’s back and no one references his weird incidents.

In Kraft’s shoes, I think I would be hoping for quick forgiveness and not shying away. I’d be acting as if I was as back and thereby hopefully making it so.
Trump announced today he’s giving a Presidential Medal of Freedom to Tiger Woods. Might as well give one to Bob Kraft, too.