Just for completeness, since he earned all of his incentives his contract for this year will end up paying him 28,750,000 and since he has the same incentives next year they are all LTBE and will count on next year's cap. So, his contract turns out to 2/57.5 for now.Brady's contract with Tampa isn't anywhere near market value, though. 2/50 for top 5 QB play is peanuts.
The EPL has nothing that even approaches a salary cap. Closer to a luxury tax (like MLB) which the rich clubs like Man U wank to. Revenue sharing is the only real control. But similar to the NEP "In Bill we trust" motto, no one really felt comfortable second guessing Fergie. And he definitely let a lot of stars walk for the right transfer feeProbably right. I’ve read about the Manchester United bro, Sir Alex Ferguson, but don’t really know that sport well enough to comment.
Great post, KFP.What part of the salary cap success should be attribute to BB the coach, and what part to the GM? If we're literally just focusing on his successes as a coach, getting attribution for success during the salary cap era doesnt feel fair.
Which is why this exercise is dumb. Because, while we could sit and argue about the greatest coach of all time, what BB did was significantly, significantly larger and more difficult. He may have not been the best drafter, pursuer of free agent talent, or trader. But, regardless of his warts, he is the biggest reason the Patriots went on the most historic run in any major sport. He drafted Brady. He traded key cogs. He built the game plans. He worked the salary cap. He did it. Fucking all of it.
Was he the greatest coach of all time? I dunno. I think so, but I'm biased. But he is, inarguably, the most successful leader in NFL history (non-player division). He built it, he oversaw it short, medium, and long term. And he was in the weeds every single day to make it successful. Every day. For over 20 fucking years. In regards to winning, nobody has ever, or probably will ever, do more for a single organization than Belichick.
I would also add in Brown's column that he won a division in the expansion Bengals' 3rd season (their 1st in the merged NFL). Given that he modernized the game in ways that remain relevant today, I think he is the only real contender.Legit candidates for GOAT coach:
Belichick - Coached in an era where it is virtually impossible to sustain success - the only one on this list to coach in this era. Everyone else coached when team building was much more sustainable. 2nd most victories ever. 6 SB rings as HC, 2 more as assistant. Most playoff wins of all time. Very few HOF players. But had the GOAT at QB. Also, like it or not, was involved in a scandal.
Lombardi - Legend. 5x NFL champ (including 2 SB titles). Also coached teams that were loaded with hall of famers.
Brown - 3x NFL champ, 4x AAFC champ. Belichick credits Brown as being the greatest, most innovative coach in NFL history.
Walsh - 3x SB champ. Had the second GOAT QB, and a bunch of other HOF players.
Gibbs - 3x SB champ, won with three different QBs. But two of those years were in strike-shortened seasons.
Noll - 4x SB champ, but had an insanely loaded HOF roster. Also had major steroid issues.
Shula - 2x SB champ, most wins all-time.
I think that's basically it. For me, it's Belichick at the clear #1, and then you argue about the rest. But BB is a big step over everyone else. But I can see arguments that resonate with people for other guys.
I have a hard enough time trying to think about the 1970s. Football is so hard to compare eras which makes for good discussions if not fruitful ones.One thing about Lombardi ... it's 5 NFL championships plus 2 Super Bowls. His teams won the first two pre-merger, so he took the NFL champs into those games
What’s the top ten? Is he already better than Shula? Lombardi? Noll? He’s only won one SB but been to three.. it would seem that winning two puts him onto the next tier with a number of other greats that won two. Noll won four. How does his winning percentage stack up?I have a hard enough time trying to think about the 1970s. Football is so hard to compare eras which makes for good discussions if not fruitful ones.
I have him in my top 10 for sure. I’m wondering what he has to do to approach someone like Walsh.What’s the top ten? Is he already better than Shula? Lombardi? Noll? He’s only won one SB but been to three.. it would seem that winning two puts him onto the next tier with a number of other greats that won two. Noll won four. How does his winning percentage stack up?
All true but it’s not like this franchise is in materially better shape now. We might have a solid QB in Mac. We have a couple of good young RBs but those are generally fungible. Our WR/TE talent remains meh. Defense has a few nice pieces but one of those is a RFA. Still plenty of holes.Actually, it feels timely that this thread was bumped. As the thread starter, it's an interesting thing to talk about two years later. If Brady ends up retiring this offseason, then I become more at peace with the decision (made by both sides!). If he decides to keep playing and had 1-2 more MVP caliber years, it will be a tougher pill to swallow. The 2020 Pats weren't likely to win a damn thing, and if Brady was around in 2020, then it would have had downstream effects on the cap, who they signed as FA, the draft, etc. Maybe they would have been a contender in 2021, maybe not.