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Yeah I think that we're all expecting Kerr to do the right thing when it matters. He needs to find a rotation that doesn't give up 100 points to the likes of South Sudan. I'm hoping to see less of Embiid and Hali and short leashes on Booker and Ant. Guys don't D up, limit their minutes. To be fair to Embiid, I think that rad is right and Joel is in the midst of discovering that he has some bone on bone. If that's true, he has no idea what he can and can't do right now, and it's less of an effort thing and more of a "wtf is happening to me right now" thing. But Hali is a sieve, Booker isn't any better, and the FIBA game seems to be moving too fast for Ant imo.
So what does our 4Q lineup look like in close games? I think we saw a sneak peak of it vs South Sudan. The clear "Big 3" are LeBron, Steph and AD....which leads me to head scratching about the Lakers team but I digress....after that where do we go? I'd agrue that Jrue belongs in that group to make it a "Big 4" and this very well already be the case. He has previous FIBA experience and success, is an excellent fit for a team of elite scorers, and still an elite glue guy. We saw Tatum also in that lineup but I'm unsure of his fit with that group....he appears more to be the peg that doesn't fit, roaring around upon he gets his iso and frankly he looks to my eye like he's jealous that Jaylen gets to have a summer vacation.

Embiid sits behind AD, Haliburton is another misfit peg, Durant is hurt, and Booker is a guards version of Tatum. If Tatum is replaced we are looking at Edwards, White or Bam remaining and really this should be our optimal 8-man rotation (but it won't be because Embiid).
 

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So what does our 4Q lineup look like in close games? I think we saw a sneak peak of it vs South Sudan. The clear "Big 3" are LeBron, Steph and AD....which leads me to head scratching about the Lakers team but I digress....after that where do we go? I'd agrue that Jrue belongs in that group to make it a "Big 4" and this very well already be the case. He has previous FIBA experience and success, is an excellent fit for a team of elite scorers, and still an elite glue guy. We saw Tatum also in that lineup but I'm unsure of his fit with that group....he appears more to be the peg that doesn't fit, roaring around upon he gets his iso and frankly he looks to my eye like he's jealous that Jaylen gets to have a summer vacation.

Embiid sits behind AD, Haliburton is another misfit peg, Durant is hurt, and Booker is a guards version of Tatum. If Tatum is replaced we are looking at Edwards, White or Bam remaining and really this should be our optimal 8-man rotation (but it won't be because Embiid).
Yeah there are plenty of options. I think that Tatum can fit, even if it hasn't looked that way at times. Probably depends somewhat on whether we're ahead or *gasp* behind. There's a world where you'd rather have White out there than Steph, if you don't need the shooting. Definitely Jrue.

Agreed that the problem is Embiid right now. They'll not hesitate to sit Hali or Booker even, but it seems like they're committed to playing Embiid more minutes than he's earned. Hope that changes.
 

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When USA actually plays D they are really tough to score on. Germany looks like a college offense against these guys.
 

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Yeah I think that we're all expecting Kerr to do the right thing when it matters. He needs to find a rotation that doesn't give up 100 points to the likes of South Sudan. I'm hoping to see less of Embiid and Hali and short leashes on Booker and Ant. Guys don't D up, limit their minutes. To be fair to Embiid, I think that rad is right and Joel is in the midst of discovering that he has some bone on bone. If that's true, he has no idea what he can and can't do right now, and it's less of an effort thing and more of a "wtf is happening to me right now" thing. But Hali is a sieve, Booker isn't any better, and the FIBA game seems to be moving too fast for Ant imo.
Haliburton should 100% be the last player in the rotation. There's no reason for him to ever be out there unless it's victory cigar time.

It's tougher for the other guys (Booker, Embiid, Ant) because they all have way more cache than Haliburton. With Embiid, I think we are all hoping that there's some sort of come to Jesus moment where everyone involved realizes that continually running him out there (with whatever is going on with him) helps no one.
 

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did I just hear something about someone who was at "Columbia University... a star in the Ivy League"? What, or who, the hell was he talking about? Because the last time we had someone you could say "starred" at anything athletic, @jon abbey was on the team.

edit: I guess he must've been talking about Maodo Lo. Who went undrafted and now plays in the Euroleague with Milano. But frankly, us having an alum who became a legit pro basketball player is about as likely as University of Bridgeport minting a Nobel Prize winner.
 

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Team USA needs a better approach to roster building.
Pairing 10 ball-dominant All-Stars may not be the most efficient way to win games
Yeah, I think a big discussion needs to take place on exactly what the designed approach for Team USA is going to be going forward, as the quality of international competition continues to improve its going to become more and more difficult to win based on sheer talent/athleticism advantages that the US holds over the rest of the world.

Since the 2004 disaster, it has become pretty obvious that the ideal way to build an Olympic roster is not to just pick the twelve most talented guys and hope they can figure it out. I was looking at the 2008 Redeem Team roster, and yes, you have your alpha scorers in Kobe, LeBron, Wade and Carmelo. But you also had Kidd and Paul, two true point guards that would be happy not taking a single shot all game, running things, plus bigs in Howard and Chris Bosh that didn't really need the ball that much--and then Redd and actually Carmelo kind of being happy as just off-ball shooters. Tayshaun Prince was there as the glue guy, too.

This team is a lot messier than that team--Holiday and D-White help a lot, but they are not like Kidd or Paul in terms of their ability to set-up teammates and don't quite of the status among their peers as a player like Kidd had at the time of the 2008 team. Their bigs, particularly Embiid, really need the ball a lot on offense. And you just have a lot of other guys, Steph, LeBron, Durant, Tatum, Booker, Edwards, Haliburton--that want to have the ball and make those decisions. And all of those guys obviously possess the talent to just excel in a reduced role as a catch-and-shoot player, but it's hard for those guys to just rewire their alpha hard drives to play on this team.

I think most people would agree that the best version of a Team USA is probably 2 or 3 of the Tatum/Durant/Curry/LeBron/Ant/Booker/Haliburton group, surrounded by star role players, like Jrue, White, Aaron Gordon, Desmond Bane, OG Anunoby, Mikael Bridges, Caruso, etc. I'd probably keep Davis and Bam as my bigs and ditch Embiid.

That version though can't exist as it currently stands, because Team USA still feels like a political pecking order of star status in the NBA, as opposed to trying to put together a cohesive team that can play team basketball and everyone firmly understands their role and their place within the hierarchy of the team. You have to find a way to jam as many of the biggest stars in the NBA as possible on the team and pray it just works out.

They probably still have enough talent to get it done this year, even if they continue turning the ball over a ton and kind of fucking around for huge portions of the game, but it wouldn't really surprise me at all if a team comes out like South Sudan did and makes a lot of threes and capitalizes on mistakes and is able to knockout Team USA.
 

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Haliburton should 100% be the last player in the rotation. There's no reason for him to ever be out there unless it's victory cigar time.

It's tougher for the other guys (Booker, Embiid, Ant) because they all have way more cache than Haliburton. With Embiid, I think we are all hoping that there's some sort of come to Jesus moment where everyone involved realizes that continually running him out there (with whatever is going on with him) helps no one.
Embiid is puffy, doesn't look healthy at all
 

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did I just hear something about someone who was at "Columbia University... a star in the Ivy League"? What, or who, the hell was he talking about?
Matches the story of Maodo Lô, 2016 CIT tournament MVP, also played for Philly's Summer League team that year. Also notably the son of Elvira Bach. Don't forget Bill Bradley for Princeton historical players in the NBA, plus Evbuomwan played in 13 games for Detroit last year.
 

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Credit to Embiid he just made a monster chase-down block of Bonga who was streaking down the lane for a dunk. Most effort I've seen him expend since his injury this spring.
 

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OMG that sequence with the worst spacing in Team USA history gave me heart palpitations. I suspect we are in for another nail biter here.
 

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They’re hitting some shots to stem the tide, but the process is bad, a lot of pull-ups or turnarounds, nothing is an easy shot from a coherent offense. Maybe it’s just the nature of the international competition but it’s ugly to watch.
Are these games streamed online anywhere?
This game is on Fox, if you have the ability to stream that from somewhere.
 

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I'm sure that I must be missing some good things but every time I look up at the TV this past week, Tatum is doing something to kill us.
 

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It's amazing just how bad the US can look despite having by far the most talent in the world. It's infuriating.
 

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Anyone else remember when this Germany team beat us last September at the World Cup semifinals?

Derrick White with a nice verticality play to stop a fast-break basket, but he was let down by his teammates, who fouled.
 

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It’s so much more fun to be in a position to root for LeBron and Curry than against them.

Embiid on the other hand . . .
 

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I get that the job isn't easy because of the egos involved, but Kerr is being bailed out by Lebron (who somehow again looks like the best player in the world) and by Germany suddenly missing wide open looks from 3. What on earth are Booker and Edwards doing on the court right now, when the point is to play good defense and get out of the way for Lebron and Curry?
 

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I get that the job isn't easy because of the egos involved, but Kerr is being bailed out by Lebron (who somehow again looks like the best player in the world) and by Germany suddenly missing wide open looks from 3. What on earth are Booker and Edwards doing on the court right now, when the point is to play good defense and get out of the way for Lebron and Curry?
edward’s at least is a good defender when he turns it on. booker i have no idea
 

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edward’s at least is a good defender when he turns it on. booker i have no idea
He's a good 1v1 defender when he turns it on, but he's adequate at best at playing off-ball team defense (at the moment, he's a poor man's Jaylen Brown on defense). If we were playing Luka or someone I'd want him on the court at the end but if not, either Holiday (all-around great defense) or Tatum (rebounding and off ball defense) would be better options.

Kerr's hands are tied somewhat by none of Tatum, Booker and Edwards separating themselves from the group. I can't be the only one really disappointed in Tatum so far here - he looked like solidly the best player on the team 3 years ago after Durant, and instead of stepping up as he hits his prime and gets the ring he's been chasing, he looks sluggish on both ends, his jumper is broken, and I don't think he even belongs in the starting lineup if/when Durant shows up.

Embiid over AD is I guess something that we just all have to live with.

So what does our 4Q lineup look like in close games? I think we saw a sneak peak of it vs South Sudan. The clear "Big 3" are LeBron, Steph and AD....which leads me to head scratching about the Lakers team but I digress....after that where do we go?
Amen to that. Lebron and AD have looked like the two best players so far in these exhibitions, and not by a little.
 

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It's tough for LeBron to be the man like this night in and night out over a long season, but in a short span of time, hoo-boy he still absolutely has it. One of the most remarkable athletes I've ever seen.