You think Payton is elevating Denver from a bottom 5 NFL team to a top 5 AFC team?
Super Bowl LVII - Chiefs vs Eagles in Glendale
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All he really has to do is figure out how to turn Russell Wilson around. If he does that, they have all the other pieces.
And he does have a history of working with undersized QBs--and Jacksonville's improvement this season shows how significantly a team can improve when they go from a guy who doesn't know what he's doing to a competent coach. And Payton is beyond competent.
If Javonte and the rest of the injured players come back strong, he can definitely challenge for the #2 spot in the division. And that may/should be enough for the wildcard.
defense is strong
Good WR weapons
Just need health and Rwil to regain ability.
defense is strong
Good WR weapons
Just need health and Rwil to regain ability.
The John Candy sighting...Joe Montana two minute drill drive TD pass to John Taylor, not the Bill Walsh dresses up like a pullman to loosen up the team one?
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That’s a tough ask to time the TO with the clock when you are allowed to go beyond :00 before you snap the ball. I’m sure Siriani had confidence in Hurts and Kelce to get the play or more than he valued the TO over the penalty.
dunno how transferable the tradecraft is, but supposedly the English premier league invests a lot into making sure its fields are bright green for TV without any loss in playability.
Ok even tho I suspect this will only drag this out further, I will try to clear up where I was coming from on this since you are bringing this up in the train derailment(!) thread.
A bunch of posters had an immediate and harshly negative take on Rihanna’s performance – not only talking about how Rihanna looked pregnant, but also how she was lip syncing and how her show sucked compared to the Who and Tom Petty. It felt pretty clearly like dude hive mind/energy justified by “My wife also says she looks pregnant!”
On the lip-syncing issue, as one poster correctly noted, she had pre-recorded background vocals and double tracks, but was clearly singing live on top of that. Rihanna is a hell of a singer, FWIW.
More to the point: the show—the music, style and aesthetic—wasn’t really targeted to middle aged dudes like a lot of us here. My thirteen and fifteen year old daughters both loved it unconditionally, called her performance “straight fire” and both loved her costume as well.
Now, cool, it turned out Rihanna was pregnant after all (even one of my daughters asked near the end of her performance after gushing about the whole thing). And I suspect some posters querying about the pregnancy thing weren’t also complaining about the performance, so it may have been a case of me reacting to the sum total of negative reactions.
But it just kind of felt like a lot of dudes teetering close to kind of an unpleasant line. If I was wrong to draw that conclusion, I apologize. /end
They may not have had less skill talent than prior KC years, but I think they clearly had less than their last 2 opponents this year (partially due to draft position and increasingly to Mahomes' salary). Ja'marr Chase, Tee Higgins, Mixon and role players, then AJ Brown, Devonta Smith, Goedert, Miles Sanders / Gainwell and role players both feel significantly stronger than Kelce, Smith-Schuster, and Pacheco and role players.
It's easy to see why both of those opponents threw deep way more than Mahomes. Mahomes mostly has possession receivers that can't compete for jump balls. If you switch those skill groups between teams, it's probably not a fair fight.
Jeter definitely got an outsized media reaction, but "above average" is a bit too far the other way. He averaged 5 bWAR (and fWAR) per year for 13 years between 1997 and 20098slim said:
I personally was completely oblivious to the pregnancy thing. My thought in the moment was that her presence and vocals were awesome, and that she looked like she was conserving energy physically (at least compared to the insanely manic background dancers), or at least being careful to not fall off/destabilize floating platforms.
Finding out that she was pregnant immediately made sense to me on her physically not going all out. I just thought it was a great performance in general, always interesting to hear how nasty people get about this stuff.
She was very clearly pregnant and said she used the performance to introduce the child to the world. I hadn’t seen the show when I read the conversation here and thought maybe she just came with the thickness, but no that was pretty obviously a pregnant woman proudly being pregnant.
Wasn't the SOSH controversy about observations that Rihanna was pregnant that some posters were essentially saying that "is she pregnant" is often a body shaming question, so others were effectively saying that it might just be that she had recently had a baby?
"You look pregnant" is just not a thing to say even to a likely pregnant woman, unless and until she brings it up, and I kind of think that that all that was going on in the thread. Maybe that rule doesn't apply to pop stars on tv? I dunno.
I went back and re-read the pages in question and it really doesn't seem to awful to me. I think people were talking past each other. And then some bickering about whether backing vocals should be pre-recorded at a live show, with nobody seeming to care all that much.
Other than that, just some people who like the show and some who didn't. Which would be the case with pretty much every show, I imagine.
"You look pregnant" is just not a thing to say even to a likely pregnant woman, unless and until she brings it up, and I kind of think that that all that was going on in the thread. Maybe that rule doesn't apply to pop stars on tv? I dunno.
I went back and re-read the pages in question and it really doesn't seem to awful to me. I think people were talking past each other. And then some bickering about whether backing vocals should be pre-recorded at a live show, with nobody seeming to care all that much.
Other than that, just some people who like the show and some who didn't. Which would be the case with pretty much every show, I imagine.
View: https://twitter.com/TeamJuJu/status/1625590293306445824?s=20
What an asshole. As if I needed more ammo to dislike the Chiefs.
What an asshole. As if I needed more ammo to dislike the Chiefs.
They did a whole bunch of them. Juju is just forwarding that one.
There's a Hamlin one... "My heart st... Nah way too soon"
That’s some real low-class trash for Juju to attach his name to that. I suppose he doesn’t realize or care that he was the beneficiary of a whimsical side judge. Until that DPI flag, they didn’t call a single offensive hold, defensive hold, or OPI in the game. The baseline the refs set was letting them play, until it wasn’t.
I mean, this is legitimately funny but certainly a dick move. I hope Bradberry gets a chance to deck him next year.
Yeah that’s funny enough you put it out there and let the chips fall. Don’t lose the super bowl if you don’t wanna get clowned for losing the super bowl.
WRs and DBs talk so much shit to each other on the field that I don't mind at all when some small portion of it makes it into the public sphere.
Especially if it's clever.
Adds another layer of interest when we see those 1 on 1 battles in the next game.
Especially if it's clever.
Adds another layer of interest when we see those 1 on 1 battles in the next game.
I mean, it’s not like JuJu came up with the meme or anything. He just shared it. But I do love sports beefs.
Yeah, it’s funny. Also, the JuJu redemption is one of the silver linings of a Chiefs victory. He’s taken some shit in the post Robin to AB’s Batman phase of his career, had a brutal concussion this year, saw his team trade for a younger, more explosive player in Toney, and then delivered on the biggest stage. Hold aside he was massive on the drive where KC took control of the game.
Former NFL QB JT O'Sullivan has a fantastic Youtube channel called the QB School where he regularly breaks down all-22 film and has put out detailed videos on both Hurts and Mahommes in the SB. Here is the link to the Hurts breakdown he just put out. View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO7u7LXrXfk&ab_channel=TheQBSchool
Couple things that really stand out is that by far the biggest difference in this game was the coaching. KC had much better schemes and executed their schemes at a much higher level as evidenced in the Mahommes break down on his channel. Hurts masked some significant flaws in play design and execution by the heralded PHI OL. Kelce in particular seemed to really struggle setting proper protections.
Another thing I'll take a mea culpa on is that at least in the plays JT showed, which don't include all the plays but a significant sample size, there really were no missed calls by the refs in the defensive secondary. I still think they could have let the hold go but I can't say they let things go until that point as there was virtually no contact in the secondary on either side, certainly nothing that stood out in either of the tapes outside of Bradberry.
Couple things that really stand out is that by far the biggest difference in this game was the coaching. KC had much better schemes and executed their schemes at a much higher level as evidenced in the Mahommes break down on his channel. Hurts masked some significant flaws in play design and execution by the heralded PHI OL. Kelce in particular seemed to really struggle setting proper protections.
Another thing I'll take a mea culpa on is that at least in the plays JT showed, which don't include all the plays but a significant sample size, there really were no missed calls by the refs in the defensive secondary. I still think they could have let the hold go but I can't say they let things go until that point as there was virtually no contact in the secondary on either side, certainly nothing that stood out in either of the tapes outside of Bradberry.
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denver was 4 plays last year from 9-8 which is denver talent level right now
and a missed DPI aga the jets in the 2nd q as well
plus denver has the 4th place sch which means WC CLE @ HOU as Ex games
also 22 Players was on IR last season
now if wilson is done done u are right but wilson showed a lot in the final 2 games of last season
Just about sums it up. They call hands to the face against Suh when he's grabbing the jersey. But the Chiefs cannot commit hands to the face, because Mahomes is electric.
Almost every team can point to a few what-if games, even the Jets. Being 26th in point differential makes me hesitant about buying what you're selling.
That's not a foul. Hands to the face has to either be a forcible blow to the head or prolonged contact. And that is rulebook language. I don't think it's a blow and I don't think it's prolonged.
This might be a dumb question, but could it have been called a hold (or some other penalty)? He did impede the rusher's progress for a bit by making contact with his face mask or side of his helmet.
Thanks for weighing in on that, I suspected that to be the case. What I found interesting in watching the all-22 when KC was on offense is the OL were exceptional with their hands and did a lot of quick head slaps at the snap that likely was just enough not to warrant a call. I didn't see any egregious missed holding calls but was curious if any of their head slaps would have qualified as hands to face and based on the definition I think it would fall just short and thus likely good technique/coaching. They weren't what I would call forcible, more just to throw off the DL vision and balance and were quite effective.
I don't think so but he's definitely helped KC. Guard is one of the better position areas now for the Pats and it's a position they've also drafted well historically, so it's a good place to build cheaply. Thuney has had a hell of a career for a 4th rounder.
u have to trhow out the ram game if u do they are -35 in point diff the 2022 broncos was kind of like the 2010 broncos hopefully 23 starts a more compitve team
No, they couldn't afford him as they were trying to reset the cap that year. He signed a 5 year, $80 million deal with KC. That's a lot of dough.
Love it. I was in Canton and got to see that particular trophy but didn’t get my hands on it like that.
That team could go 9-8 next year but “realistic contender” ain’t gonna happen.
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