Super Bowl LIV: Chiefs vs 49ers Game Thread

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They last ran Samuel on the 3rd play of the 2nd half.

I think that was, again, a case of Shanahan overthinking it or outsmarting himself.
Fully agree that not trying another jet sweep type play the rest of the game was a mistake. KC couldn't stop it.
 

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I think Barnwell absolutely nails it with where Shanahan went right and wrong in the game.

Worth a read even if you disagree.

He goes play by play in the fourth quarter and he concludes:

28342

Where Shanahan was boneheaded? End of first half debacle. (On twitter/slack/SoSH pretty much everyone called him out for being a coward and mismanaging it). Also kicking the FG and not going for it on 4th and under 5 in the red zone.
 

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While I don't agree with the entirety of Barnwell's analysis, his point about having players open is telling. I really think the Niners are gonna move on from Garoppolo. They can get out of his deal relatively painlessly this year, he's 28 already, and last night he got exposed badly while they won when they didn't allow him to throw. They can save 22.5 million on the cap if they move on from him, and I think they have to seriously consider it.
 

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One last thing. Andy Reid had stones last night. Was aggressive on 3rd and 4th downs all night and was rewarded for it. Andy took a page from Pederson's 2017 playbook... So things can change.
 

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I still think SF's roster is still a Super Bowl-caliber roster next year but is the QB position? It would not shock me if SF has second thoughts on whether Jimmy G is the guy going forward. The team structured his contract such so that they paid him a good amount of money up front in the first 2 years, but gave themselves 3 club options in case things did not work out. Now, he did not play poorly this year but it was clear that they were a run-first, rely on their defense kind of team and didn't put the game in his hands especially in the postseason. They had to last night in the 4th quarter and he did not get it done.

If you are John Lynch, would you rather have Jimmy G for the next 3 years at cap hits totaling $80.5 million or Tom Brady for the next 2 years at $60 million?
 

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One last thing. Andy Reid had stones last night. Was aggressive on 3rd and 4th downs all night and was rewarded for it. Andy took a page from Pederson's 2017 playbook... So things can change.
It only took Reid 20 years to do so (I kid, sort of).

The criticism of Reid was always in clock management, his playcalls were fine but he lacked the speed necessary to run the team in an urgent manner when required. There was nothing wrong with his play calls at the end of SB 39 and in the divisional in Foxboro a few years ago, but they couldn't get the plays in fast enough. That's a solvable problem because the core play calls are still good. Shanahan's issue is that he has no ability to make the larger decisions required; choosing to sit on the ball at the end of the first half was unforgivable, and the larger decisions he made in the 4th quarter were outright poor. That's a far more difficult issue to solve and I don't think he's capable of doing it given he did the same thing in 51 and hasn't changed at all.
 

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While I don't agree with the entirety of Barnwell's analysis, his point about having players open is telling. I really think the Niners are gonna move on from Garoppolo. They can get out of his deal relatively painlessly this year, he's 28 already, and last night he got exposed badly while they won when they didn't allow him to throw. They can save 22.5 million on the cap if they move on from him, and I think they have to seriously consider it.
Yeah, and it stinks for Jimmy because he was having an MVP level game statistically before the 4th quarter collapse. 49ers OL had been winning most of the night until then too. Just felt like the entire offense minus the TEs and WRs and Mostert went to shit at the worst possible time for them. Football is a weird sport. It should have been 24-24 though or 27-24 if they play it better at the end of the half and/or get it when they go for it on 4th down in the red zone. I knock them more that - less margin for error when you potentially squander 7+ points through game management.
 

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I still think SF's roster is still a Super Bowl-caliber roster next year but is the QB position? It would not shock me if SF has second thoughts on whether Jimmy G is the guy going forward. The team structured his contract such so that they paid him a good amount of money up front in the first 2 years, but gave themselves 3 club options in case things did not work out. Now, he did not play poorly this year but it was clear that they were a run-first, rely on their defense kind of team and didn't put the game in his hands especially in the postseason. They had to last night in the 4th quarter and he did not get it done.

If you are John Lynch, would you rather have Jimmy G for the next 3 years at cap hits totaling $80.5 million or Tom Brady for the next 2 years at $60 million?
If I were Lynch I'd go get Brees, honestly. Younger than Brady, far far better than Garoppolo.
 

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While I don't agree with the entirety of Barnwell's analysis, his point about having players open is telling. I really think the Niners are gonna move on from Garoppolo. They can get out of his deal relatively painlessly this year, he's 28 already, and last night he got exposed badly while they won when they didn't allow him to throw. They can save 22.5 million on the cap if they move on from him, and I think they have to seriously consider it.
I don't really understand the "exposed" comments. Yes he's 28, but he spent 3 years backing up Brady (obviously he wasn't going to take the starting role from him), then dealt with injuries for two years in SF before playing a full season this year.

His career record is 21-5 (regular season). 100.0 career passer rating. I think he's too turnover-prone, but it's not like he hasn't won games with his arm before. This year he's put up these games:

17-25, 296 yds, 3 td, 1 int, putting up 41 points in a win vs Cin
28-37, 317 yds, 4 td, 0 int, putting up 28 points in a 28-25 win over Arizona on the road
34-45, 424 yds, 4 td, 2 int, putting up 36 points in a 36-26 win over Arizona
26-35, 349 yds, 4 td, 1 int, putting up 48 points in a 48-46 win over New Orleans on the road
18-22, 285 yds, 0 td, 0 int, putting up 26 points in a 26-21 win over Seattle

So in 4 of those 5 games, the vaunted SF defense really didn't play great, requiring SF's offense to put up a lot of points. And JG performed wonderfully in those games. Total stat line for these four games (not counting the Cincy game):

106-139 (76.3%), 1,671 yds, 12 td, 3 int, 135.5 rating

He's not reached his peak yet, I don't think. He's only played in 42 total NFL games (that's a little over two full seasons), just 26 as a starter. He is not, and will not, be Tom Brady. But there are a LOT worse starting QBs in the NFL than JG. Put it this way: if he was released by SF and Brady left NE, I'd be thrilled if the Pats picked JG up.

Did he end up having a great SB? No, because of the disastrous finish. But there have been not just a few Super Bowl *winning* QBs have had worse games than JG did last night.
 

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It only took Reid 20 years to do so (I kid, sort of).
Lol. Yeah, though he literally has a thick skull. ;).

I am not sure what they do about Jimmy G. I think you make an interesting point though about maybe getting a veteran QB to run it might be better and JG isn't worth it at his cap number. I love off-season football. Questions like that make it fun to follow year-round.
 

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If I were Lynch I'd go get Brees, honestly. Younger than Brady, far far better than Garoppolo.
Talent-wise at this stage, I agree. But which is more likely to want to uproot his family and make the move? Brees wants to represent Louisiana in Congress some day; I think he's staying in new Orleans
 

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I don't really understand the "exposed" comments. Yes he's 28, but he spent 3 years backing up Brady (obviously he wasn't going to take the starting role from him), then dealt with injuries for two years in SF before playing a full season this year.
He got exposed because in his first run of the playoffs, against quality teams, his coach was terrified to have him throw the ball, and when they did let him throw the ball he was terrible. Everyone loved Garoppolo for the regular-season record, but when push came to shove his came up very, very small and not even his own coaching staff trusted him.

His age matters because I suspect a lot of fans see him as Mahomes' age given he didn't play much at the beginning of his career, but he's essentially already in his prime years or past them. If this is his peak then he's probably not good enough. His decision-making last night was WOEFUL.
 

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If you are John Lynch, would you rather have Jimmy G for the next 3 years at cap hits totaling $80.5 million or Tom Brady for the next 2 years at $60 million?
Shh, there are people around here that would have rather had Jimmy G. for the last 3 years, and going forward, instead of Tom Brady. Jimmy G. is the best QB in the NFL.
 

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The worst decision was giving away a possession at the end of the first half, considering what the Chiefs offense can and has done. I figured they were done at that point. If you don't trust your offense to move the ball there (and your defense / ST to hold if you have to punt) then how do you expect to win?

As it turned out they were lucky to barely lose and were only ahead because Mahomes made his two worst throws of the year.
 

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He got exposed because in his first run of the playoffs, against quality teams, his coach was terrified to have him throw the ball, and when they did let him throw the ball he was terrible. Everyone loved Garoppolo for the regular-season record, but when push came to shove his came up very, very small and not even his own coaching staff trusted him.

His age matters because I suspect a lot of fans see him as Mahomes' age given he didn't play much at the beginning of his career, but he's essentially already in his prime years or past them. If this is his peak then he's probably not good enough. His decision-making last night was WOEFUL.
Well it was his first taste of the playoffs. Lamar Jackson has been underwhelming in the playoffs too. And I don't see it as Shanahan being terrified to have him throw. I just think they were utterly dominating in the running game so why bother doing anything else?

I don't see this as his peak at all.
 

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Shh, there are people around here that would have rather had Jimmy G. for the last 3 years, and going forward, instead of Tom Brady. Jimmy G. is the best QB in the NFL.
Yeah, those are posts that didn't even have time to age poorly
 

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Well it was his first taste of the playoffs. Lamar Jackson has been underwhelming in the playoffs too. And I don't see it as Shanahan being terrified to have him throw. I just think they were utterly dominating in the running game so why bother doing anything else?

I don't see this as his peak at all.
Lamar Jackson is 23. Jimmy Garoppolo is 28.

One guy is nearly certain to get better. One guy is not.
 

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He got exposed because in his first run of the playoffs, against quality teams, his coach was terrified to have him throw the ball, and when they did let him throw the ball he was terrible. Everyone loved Garoppolo for the regular-season record, but when push came to shove his came up very, very small and not even his own coaching staff trusted him.

His age matters because I suspect a lot of fans see him as Mahomes' age given he didn't play much at the beginning of his career, but he's essentially already in his prime years or past them. If this is his peak then he's probably not good enough. His decision-making last night was WOEFUL.
The 49ers to maximize the time that this roster can stay together. Nick Bosa and Deebo Samuel is cheap for the next 3 years but Buckner, Solomon Thomas, Richard Sherman, Tevin Coleman, and Tartt are FAs after next year. Mostert is only cheap for the next 2 years. Kittle is going to be making big money after this year. On the OL, Staley is 36 years old and McGlinchey/Tomlinson are FA in 2 years. Their time to try to win a Super Bowl is now.
 

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Shh, there are people around here that would have rather had Jimmy G. for the last 3 years, and going forward, instead of Tom Brady. Jimmy G. is the best QB in the NFL.
I can't find it now, but on Twitter some smoothbrain was complaining about the Garoppolo trade and labeled last year's SB win an "interim Super Bowl" while saying with Jimmy we'd win another 10.

People are fucking idiots.
 

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Lamar Jackson is 23. Jimmy Garoppolo is 28.

One guy is nearly certain to get better. One guy is not.
I understand that. It was also JG's first playoff run. And JG has started 26 regular season and 3 playoff games in his career. Jackson has started 22 regular season and 2 playoff games in his career.

In terms of *starting NFL experience*, they're pretty much equal. And in today's age, 28 isn't necessarily a QB's peak.
 

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I understand that. It was also JG's first playoff run. And JG has started 26 regular season and 3 playoff games in his career. Jackson has started 22 regular season and 2 playoff games in his career.

In terms of *starting NFL experience*, they're pretty much equal. And in today's age, 28 isn't necessarily a QB's peak.
But in terms of physical development Jimmy is indeed at his peak. Despite what guys like Brady and Brees have done, 28 is still prime time for QBs.

Again, Jackson starting those games at age 23 is massively different than Jimmy starting those games at 28. Jimmy also has the ACL repair on his resume, while Jackson does not.
 

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I am glad they moved on from Jimmy instead of TB12 in the past.

But I kinda want Jimmy to come back, I believe he will get better.
Not me. I'd rather see them ride out a couple more years with Brady, find their next QB in the draft in 2021 (even with Brady, I think they struggle to win 10 games with next year's schedule, which will help them in the draft in 2021), let him learn under Brady his rookie year, let Brady retire and then start again with a QB under a rookie contract for 4 years with a bunch of studs around him, and the greatest coach of all time. That would be my ideal plan going forward. I think if you bring Jimmy G. in here, pay him 30mil a year and give him the same type of weapons Brady had this year, you're no closer to winning a Super Bowl than you are right now. That's the model in the NFL right now, win with a young QB who doesn't destroy your cap and put a young team of weapons around him.
 

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I understand that. It was also JG's first playoff run. And JG has started 26 regular season and 3 playoff games in his career. Jackson has started 22 regular season and 2 playoff games in his career.

In terms of *starting NFL experience*, they're pretty much equal. And in today's age, 28 isn't necessarily a QB's peak.
What you're not taking into account is what SJH posted in the tweet about the KC defense -- his performance under pressure.

A quarterback can improve in a lot of areas -- physical approach, to time management to reading defenses. But reaction under pressure is not a skill that easily can be tweaked or can even evolve. Favre had trouble under pressure and succeeded through his ability to gunsling. Brady was said to have trouble under pressure, but his demeanor and intelligence overcame that.

JG, however, is not anywhere near the talent of a Favre or Brady. The under-pressure problem makes him look like a non-running version of Mariotta
 

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But in terms of physical development Jimmy is indeed at his peak. Despite what guys like Brady and Brees have done, 28 is still prime time for QBs.
Yes, but as you know as well as anyone, QB play is about WAY more than just a player's "physical development". It's mostly about what's between the ears. And *generally*, that comes with real-time playing experience.

Put it this way: With 11:57 left in the football game, SF held a 20-10 lead. At that point, JG had gone 17-20 for 183 yds, 1 td, 1 int, and SF had the ball following an interception of Mahomes. At that point in the game, were you complaining about JG (other than the one horrendous INT)? To that point, he had played a pretty solid football game.

Obviously it went downhill big-time (3-11, 36 yds, 0 td, 1 int from there on out), but up to that point, were you thinking he was good enough for SF to win?
 

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Yes, but as you know as well as anyone, QB play is about WAY more than just a player's "physical development". It's mostly about what's between the ears. And *generally*, that comes with real-time playing experience.

Put it this way: With 11:57 left in the football game, SF held a 20-10 lead. At that point, JG had gone 17-20 for 183 yds, 1 td, 1 int, and SF had the ball following an interception of Mahomes. At that point in the game, were you complaining about JG (other than the one horrendous INT)? To that point, he had played a pretty solid football game.

Obviously it went downhill big-time (3-11, 36 yds, 0 td, 1 int from there on out), but up to that point, were you thinking he was good enough for SF to win?
No, not really. The horrendous INT played a part in that, the relatively low yardage total off those completions played a part in that, and the fact that they didn't trust him to score in a 2 min drill before halftime played a huge part in that.

So no. He wasn't good enough. Andy Dalton could have done that first set of numbers, and he's terrible. SF was gonna win that game on their defense and running game, and they were, until Shanahan lost his mind in the 4th quarter. You don't praise a QB for being the modern-day Trent Dilfer. Jimmy had his chance to prove he was more, and failed miserably.
 

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Yes, but as you know as well as anyone, QB play is about WAY more than just a player's "physical development". It's mostly about what's between the ears. And *generally*, that comes with real-time playing experience.

Put it this way: With 11:57 left in the football game, SF held a 20-10 lead. At that point, JG had gone 17-20 for 183 yds, 1 td, 1 int, and SF had the ball following an interception of Mahomes. At that point in the game, were you complaining about JG (other than the one horrendous INT)? To that point, he had played a pretty solid football game.

Obviously it went downhill big-time (3-11, 36 yds, 0 td, 1 int from there on out), but up to that point, were you thinking he was good enough for SF to win?
A lot of mediocre quarterbacks get better with experience ... but they're just a better version of being mediocre

As for the game, the defense KC employed after the 20-10 lead exposed JG's weaknesses. In a Super Bowl, or any critical game, it's not about performance the first three quarters; it's the ability to finish when things get intense.

JG didn't show that last night
 

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No, not really. The horrendous INT played a part in that, the relatively low yardage total off those completions played a part in that, and the fact that they didn't trust him to score in a 2 min drill before halftime played a huge part in that.

So no. He wasn't good enough. Andy Dalton could have done that first set of numbers, and he's terrible. SF was gonna win that game on their defense and running game, and they were, until Shanahan lost his mind in the 4th quarter. You don't praise a QB for being the modern-day Trent Dilfer. Jimmy had his chance to prove he was more, and failed miserably.
Ok.
 

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I am a Jimmy G stan. He didn't get much help from his offensive line at crunch time, poor protection, and false starts. It's also up to him to get the ball out when the Chiefs rushed 5 or more.
 

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Also, in his career Jimmy's decision-making has been highly questionable. With the Pats he lasted less than 6 quarters before getting hurt because he made a very poor decision about taking a hit to make a play. With SF he tore his ACL by trying for more yards instead of getting the hell out of bounds. Last night the first pick was WOEFUL. He wasn't seeing open receivers all over the field. They didn't get Kittle the ball enough. He folded under pressure.

There's a ton of concerns there.
 

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Also, in his career Jimmy's decision-making has been highly questionable. With the Pats he lasted less than 6 quarters before getting hurt because he made a very poor decision about taking a hit to make a play. With SF he tore his ACL by trying for more yards instead of getting the hell out of bounds. Last night the first pick was WOEFUL. He wasn't seeing open receivers all over the field. They didn't get Kittle the ball enough. He folded under pressure.

There's a ton of concerns there.
Completely agree re: decision making. The injuries are one piece. The picks are another. Prior to joining the Niners Jimmy hadn't been picked. In 25 regular season games in SF, he has thrown 21 picks. Add in the 3 playoff games and it is 24 picks in 28 games.

By comparison Brady has thrown 29 picks in his last 60 regular season games.
 

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No no no I'm with you. Kittle on Suggs is a great matchup. I thought he was throwing it to 44 (Jusczyk). Angle makes it hard to tell.
Ah yeah. Pretty sure it was intended for Kittle. Of course Jusczyk also has a couple yards between himself and the defender, that is probably ALSO a first down. Man.
 

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What you're not taking into account is what SJH posted in the tweet about the KC defense -- his performance under pressure.

A quarterback can improve in a lot of areas -- physical approach, to time management to reading defenses. But reaction under pressure is not a skill that easily can be tweaked or can even evolve. Favre had trouble under pressure and succeeded through his ability to gunsling. Brady was said to have trouble under pressure, but his demeanor and intelligence overcame that.

JG, however, is not anywhere near the talent of a Favre or Brady. The under-pressure problem makes him look like a non-running version of Mariotta
IIRC, cowering in the face of a pass rush was one of the knocks on him coming out of college.
 

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The Next Gen graphics Barnwell had in his piece makes it look like he was throwing it to Kittle.

I don’t think I’d put that play on Garoppolo. I’m assuming Kittle was the first read, Jimmy saw him, Chris Jones made a play.
 

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In the grand scheme of things, would “going for it” at the end of the half and getting a FG (most likely) have really changed the events of the 4th quarter and final outcome.
 

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The Next Gen graphics Barnwell had in his piece makes it look like he was throwing it to Kittle.

I don’t think I’d put that play on Garoppolo. I’m assuming Kittle was the first read, Jimmy saw him, Chris Jones made a play.
Per official play by play it shows as Kittle

edit: and I don't think it is even 1% on Garoppolo. He could have completed a pass to any of three guys on that play and moved the chains. Jones made a play.
 

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In the grand scheme of things, would “going for it” at the end of the half and getting a FG (most likely) have really changed the events of the 4th quarter and final outcome.
Very possibly because then SF would only have needed a field goal to win on that final meaningful drive, which might have affected whether they called four straight passes on the KC 49 yard line.
 

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The Next Gen graphics Barnwell had in his piece makes it look like he was throwing it to Kittle.

I don’t think I’d put that play on Garoppolo. I’m assuming Kittle was the first read, Jimmy saw him, Chris Jones made a play.
Jimmy G. might become a better QB, and he may get better from a physical standpoint, but I can say one thing for certain:

He will not get any taller.
 

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Should be "US state" but the point holds.

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I am not the first person to point this out. One of our former copy editors posted it on Facebook. Missouri is the only state that can claim a current champion in any of the four major sports. Think about it.
 

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Should be "US state" but the point holds.

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I am not the first person to point this out. One of our former copy editors posted it on Facebook. Missouri is the only state that can claim a current champion in any of the four major sports. Think about it.
I wouldn't even put the US qualifier on it, Canadian Province isn't a State either.
 

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Should be "US state" but the point holds.

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I am not the first person to point this out. One of our former copy editors posted it on Facebook. Missouri is the only state that can claim a current champion in any of the four major sports. Think about it.
"Washington's a state."

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