Super Bowl LIV: Chiefs vs 49ers Game Thread

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Sadly, not the first time we see the Niners not finish things.

They lost to Baltimore trying to throw at 4th and 1 when they could run at will
They lost that first game to Seattle when they should have played for the tie when time was running out in OT

Then they have the ball up 10 and cannot execute. This game was theirs to lose, and they did. Had it been a blow out by KC and Mahomes it's different.

Anyhow, props to KC fans, good game. The Niners are a young team that can be back in the dance. Now let's see if Jimmy G can become a championship QB, he's not one now.
 

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Sadly, not the first time we see the Niners not finish things.

They lost to Baltimore trying to throw at 4th and 1 when they could run at will
They lost that first game to Seattle when they should have played for the tie when time was running out in OT

Then they have the ball up 10 and cannot execute. This game was theirs to lose, and they did. Had it been a blow out by KC and Mahomes it's different.

Anyhow, props to KC fans, good game. The Niners are a young team that can be back in the dance. Now let's see if Jimmy G can become a championship QB, he's not one now.
Niners will wake up tomorrow and realize they got a C+ version of the Chiefs and blew it.
 

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I just got back from the game - which will most likely be my one and only super bowl. 2003 ALCS game 7 level gutted from that. I agree with most here that SF outplayed KC and then blew it with the play calling, though I was really scratching my head at some of the flags/non-flags.

I felt really good about the 49ers today. I also knew that financially this is probably my one shot at a super bowl in person, and I decided to take it when it was available - because who knows when their team is going to make it again (25 years ago I expected it all the time!)? But unless it’s like 1995 vs the Chargers, my advice is not to go if you are in my shoes...this suuuuuccckkkkkssssss.
 

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I'm curious on the all-22 on the 3rd & 15. it seemed like Mahomes didn't throw a great ball, Hill had to come back to it but he was that wide open. There was also the long completion to Watkins in the 1st quarter that was really a duck from Mahomes, that was so wide open it didn't matter.

Chris Jones came up huge late with at least two tipped passes. one of the main reasons KC's defense went from a joke to good, shedding the corpse of Eric Berry also helped.
 
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I just got back from the game - which will most likely be my one and only super bowl. 2003 ALCS game 7 level gutted from that. I agree with most here that SF outplayed KC and then blew it with the play calling, though I was really scratching my head at some of the flags/non-flags.

I felt really good about the 49ers today. I also knew that financially this is probably my one shot at a super bowl in person, and I decided to take it when it was available - because who knows when their team is going to make it again (25 years ago I expected it all the time!)? But unless it’s like 1995 vs the Chargers, my advice is not to go if you are in my shoes...this suuuuuccckkkkkssssss.
Sorry man but at least you had the balls to go. I am too chicken shit to consider going to a SB and I'm a Pat's fan.
 

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I'm curious on the all-22 on the 3rd & 15. it seemed like Mahomes didn't throw a great ball, Hill had to come back to it but he was that wide open. There was also the long completion to Watkins in the 1st quarter that was really a duck from Mahomes, that was so wide open it didn't matter.

Chris Jones came up huge late with at least two tipped passes. one of the main reasons KC's defense went from a joke to good, shedding the corpse of Eric Berry also helped.
Jones my MVP
 

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If Andy Reid had a monkey on his back before this (and he did) Kyle Shanahan now has King F. Kong riding him like JLo on the pole. Imagine being the guy who lost two Super Bowls where your teams had double digit leads and over 95% win probabilities in the 4th quarter. I think his teams have been out scored in those games by something on the order of 52-0 in the last (on average)12 minutes of each contest. It should be hard to give up that many points in that short a period of time even if half your team is blindfolded.
 

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There’s no way the win prob was 95% at that point in actuality. Either the analytics are wrong or the dataset they used was not representative of today’s NFL

but overall point stands
20-10 with 7 minutes left AND holding the ball? That is, I assume, around a 95% win probability.
 

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If Andy Reid had a monkey on his back before this (and he did) Kyle Shanahan now has King F. Kong riding him like JLo on the pole. Imagine being the guy who lost two Super Bowls where your teams had double digit leads and over 95% win probabilities in the 4th quarter. I think his teams have been out scored in those games by something on the order of 52-0 in the last (on average)12 minutes of each contest. It should be hard to give up that many points in that short a period of time even if half your team is blindfolded.
In fairness, Shanahan was coaching the offense in 2016.
 

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20-10 with 7 minutes left AND holding the ball? That is, I assume, around a 95% win probability.
Yeah, win probability before the 3rd and 15 play had to be close to 95%. If Pats had lost a SB in the same fashion, this board would have been a very salty place. The last 7 minutes of the game were an unmitigated disaster for SF. Still pretty surprised they didn’t run on 2nd and 5.
 

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Yeah, win probability before the 3rd and 15 play had to be close to 95%. If Pats had lost a SB in the same fashion, this board would have been a very salty place. The last 7 minutes of the game were an unmitigated disaster for SF. Still pretty surprised they didn’t run on 2nd and 5.
On SC says it was 97% at that play.
 

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Yes but the play calling against NE did them in. If he runs the ball they win.
Of coarse but he was talking about how those teams gave up the total of 52 points. Shanahan wasn’t responsible for that in the Atlanta game.

That said, Siri autocorrected “Shanahan” to “shit head” so ...
 

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In our next segment we discuss: Is Shanahan a choker who can't win the big game when he's got a 95% win probability?

Stick around, we'll be back after this.
 

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Wait...the head ref (Bill Vinovich) was also the head ref of the infamous non-PI call in last year's NFC Championship? How is he allowed to ref on this big a stage after blowing it last year?
 

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Wait...the head ref (Bill Vinovich) was also the head ref of the infamous non-PI call in last year's NFC Championship? How is he allowed to ref on this big a stage after blowing it last year?
Without knowing all the details, the short answer could be that the referee is not the official responsible for sideline PI calls?
 

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I still can’t believe the TD drive to make it 20-17. The Niners had played so perfectly to that point. Then two just absolutely horrendous defensive plays on the bomb to Hill and the PI. Just totally fell apart.
 

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Did Brady not take below market contracts to resign?
I imagine even with your Seahawks-colored glasses on you realize the silliness of your comment is not that fact, but the implications of it.
 

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I still can’t believe the TD drive to make it 20-17. The Niners had played so perfectly to that point. Then two just absolutely horrendous defensive plays on the bomb to Hill and the PI. Just totally fell apart.
That's the thing about KC though...they just put so much pressure on you to not make mistakes because they can light you up if you give them any room. And that's exactly what happened.
 

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That's the thing about KC though...they just put so much pressure on you to not make mistakes because they can light you up if you give them any room. And that's exactly what happened.
Absolutely true. All credit to KC. My dad texted “over” when the pick happened at 20-10. I kept saying KC can change the game in one play and it’s nearly impossible to prevent them from hitting a big play over 60 minutes. Once it was 20-17 I had very little confidence in SF.
 

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Absolutely true. All credit to KC. My dad texted “over” when the pick happened at 20-10. I kept saying KC can change the game in one play and it’s nearly impossible to prevent them from hitting a big play over 60 minutes. Once it was 20-17 I had very little confidence in SF.
At 9:24pm yesterday, Chiefs down 20-10, I posted this (post #1493):

This game is far from over with the way KC can explode. SF has done a great job so far but this can turn in a heartbeat.
Now did I expect it to happen? I'm not saying this was a prediction. Just a heads-up to everyone that the Chiefs, who had been stymied all night long, were more than capable of turning it around instantly.
 

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I imagine even with your Seahawks-colored glasses on you realize the silliness of your comment is not that fact, but the implications of it.
I have no idea what button I pushed but i would have said the same things had Wilson done something similar contractually. Not faulting or diminishing NE for having that luxury but to argue it didn’t change their ability to retain FAs doesn’t make any sense
 

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I have no idea what button I pushed but i would have said the same things had Wilson done something similar contractually. Not faulting or diminishing NE for having that luxury but to argue it didn’t change their ability to retain FAs doesn’t make any sense
Agreed it helps, and never argued otherwise. And, that is MILES away from what you actually said, which is why I called it out initially.
 

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Absolutely true. All credit to KC. My dad texted “over” when the pick happened at 20-10. I kept saying KC can change the game in one play and it’s nearly impossible to prevent them from hitting a big play over 60 minutes. Once it was 20-17 I had very little confidence in SF.
Shanahan hid Garoppolo all postseason and then turns him loose with a 10 point lead to win the SB, while averaging 6 yards a carry. And giving up points at the end of the half; he just overthinks things and he absolutely is why they lost.
 

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I don't get the Mahomes hate. Someone has to be the face of the NFL in the 2020s, why not him? A transcendent talent and seems like a nice guy. Jettison those State Farm commercials but otherwise more power to him.

I'll feel otherwise when he's dropping a 40 burger on the Pats at the 2020 Thursday night opener but until then, good for him.
 

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I don't get the Mahomes hate.
He's a star QB for an arch-rival team. That's where the hate comes in.

Someone has to be the face of the NFL in the 2020s, why not him? A transcendent talent and seems like a nice guy. Jettison those State Farm commercials but otherwise more power to him.

I'll feel otherwise when he's dropping a 40 burger on the Pats at the 2020 Thursday night opener but until then, good for him.
I'm with you. I like Reid. I like Mahomes. What's not to like about Mahomes? I've got tons of respect for the guy. He's amazing. Played by his standards a pretty bad game yesterday and still accounted for 300 yards and 3 touchdowns and led a 10-point fourth quarter comeback against an elite defense in the Super Bowl. He's pretty clearly the best player in football by a wide margin - Lamar Jackson's unanimous MVP notwithstanding - and should be the new "face of the NFL". In the past two seasons he's won an MVP and a Super Bowl (along with SB MVP honors). Guy is amazing.

The sooner he gets paid $40 million a year, the better though.
 

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Shanahan hid Garoppolo all postseason and then turns him loose with a 10 point lead to win the SB, while averaging 6 yards a carry. And giving up points at the end of the half; he just overthinks things and he absolutely is why they lost.
Kyle Shanahan might be a good regular season coach but in the playoffs he is a dyed-in-the-wool loser. The refusal to try for more points at the end of the first half was midroasting. And then getting away from the one thing they do best in order to throw the ball all over the place in the 4th quarter AND to do that when they've been hiding their QB in the postseason this year. And Jimmy quite predictably folded: 3 for 11, 36 yards, 1 INT and one 4th down sack in the 4th quarter.

Shanahan has learned nothing from SB 51. Now he's doubled down and screwed up another SB. He's never going to get it. He stinks. Lynch won't fire him but should consider it.
 

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the 49ers scored 48(!) against the Saints. ignoring how much of it came late, they essentially kept KC to 24 (Williams should have downed the ball before the last TD, the game was over with the timeout situation, classic Reid blunder which will be forgotten), which is about the best you can hope for.

all the post-game comments I see is Kyle was afraid of the Chiefs scoring all night. Playing afraid of the Chiefs ignores that you need at least 27, probably something in the 30s to win. It also ignores that Mahomes was skittish most of the game and you should have dropped the hammer on him (3+ possession lead) when they were vulnerable.
 

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Nobody cares about another’s fantasy team.

But with 7 minutes left in the game, I had the highest possible score on Draft Kings and was in line to win serious money. At the end of the day I won about 10 bucks.

Thanks Kyle Shanahan.
 

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Shanahan hid Garoppolo all postseason and then turns him loose with a 10 point lead to win the SB, while averaging 6 yards a carry. And giving up points at the end of the half; he just overthinks things and he absolutely is why they lost.
I thought the Chiefs did a good job shutting down SF's bread-and-butter run game last night and forcing it into Jimmy's hands. The run game production was mostly jet sweeps; Mostert was averaging less than 4 YPC before a late run after KC already had the lead.
 

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the 49ers scored 48(!) against the Saints. ignoring how much of it came late, they essentially kept KC to 24 (Williams should have downed the ball before the last TD, the game was over with the timeout situation, classic Reid blunder which will be forgotten), which is about the best you can hope for.

all the post-game comments I see is Kyle was afraid of the Chiefs scoring all night. Playing afraid of the Chiefs ignores that you need at least 27, probably something in the 30s to win. It also ignores that Mahomes was skittish most of the game and you should have dropped the hammer on him (3+ possession lead) when they were vulnerable.
And they were literally dropping the hammer on Mahomes with all those hard hits. They had their chances.

A big deal was made pre-game of Shanahan working the refs for defensive holding calls, and then during the game the refs called none of them even at times when the SF receivers were being held. Shanahan is such a clown he can't even elicit calls properly. I cannot express enough contempt for him this morning. He's terrible and will never win anything. In the two biggest games of his coaching life he's utterly bollixed it up.
 

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He's a star QB for an arch-rival team. That's where the hate comes in.



I'm with you. I like Reid. I like Mahomes. What's not to like about Mahomes? I've got tons of respect for the guy. He's amazing. Played by his standards a pretty bad game yesterday and still accounted for 300 yards and 3 touchdowns and led a 10-point fourth quarter comeback against an elite defense in the Super Bowl. He's pretty clearly the best player in football by a wide margin - Lamar Jackson's unanimous MVP notwithstanding - and should be the new "face of the NFL". In the past two seasons he's won an MVP and a Super Bowl (along with SB MVP honors). Guy is amazing.

The sooner he gets paid $40 million a year, the better though.
Are the Chiefs arch rivals? Only in the sense that the Pats have dominated the AFC for so long, every successful team in the conference is an arch rival. I'd put them below (in no particular order): Denver, Balt, Pittsburgh, Colts, Jets, Fish, Bills, slightly behind Tenn, maybe tied with Chargers, and ahead of Jax.
 

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I thought the Chiefs did a good job shutting down SF's bread-and-butter run game last night and forcing it into Jimmy's hands. The run game production was mostly jet sweeps; Mostert was averaging less than 4 YPC before a late run after KC already had the lead.
Underrated part of KC's success this year was their run defense in the postseason.

Hyde: 13 for 44
Henry: 19 for 69
Mostert: 12 for 58

TOT: 44 for 171 (3.9 avg)

Last year, any of those guys would have racked up an easy 150+ on KC's run defense. Not this year. And it paid off huge for the Chiefs.
 

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Agreed it helps, and never argued otherwise. And, that is MILES away from what you actually said, which is why I called it out initially.
I literally said NE would have been in a similar spot had Brady not taken the contracts he did. I can change the word would to could but it doesn’t change the concept that having extra money gives you more flexibility. Not sure how that is MILES away from what I said this AM.

BB and staff worked the rest beautifully but they dont have that flexibility if Brady doesnt take the contract deals he did.
 

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Are the Chiefs arch rivals? Only in the sense that the Pats have dominated the AFC for so long, every successful team in the conference is an arch rival. I'd put them below (in no particular order): Denver, Balt, Pittsburgh, Colts, Jets, Fish, Bills, slightly behind Tenn, maybe tied with Chargers, and ahead of Jax.
I think they've become arch-rivals yes. Only because they've had numerous classic clashes with the Patriots on big stages.
 

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I thought the Chiefs did a good job shutting down SF's bread-and-butter run game last night and forcing it into Jimmy's hands. The run game production was mostly jet sweeps; Mostert was averaging less than 4 YPC before a late run after KC already had the lead.
They had a 2nd and 5 after a 5 yard run on first down and then passed twice. He should be fired for that after the Pats superbowl, once is a mistake twice is a pattern.

If the jet sweeps are working so well, that should either still be there or if they correct for that you should be able to take advantage of the adjustment.
The only thing you should not do in that situation is pass on second down.
 

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They had a 2nd and 5 after a 5 yard run on first down and then passed twice. He should be fired for that after the Pats superbowl, once is a mistake twice is a pattern.

If the jet sweeps are working so well, that should either still be there or if they correct for that you should be able to take advantage of the adjustment.
The only thing you should not do in that situation is pass on second down.
Passing on that 2nd and 5 was a fireable offense. Even if they gain no yards they burn more clock.
 

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Did Brady not take below market contracts to resign?
In 2002, he signed a four year contract extension for $30 million with $10 million signing bonus.
In 2005, he signed a six year contract extension for $60 million with a $14.5 signing bonus.
In 2010, he signed a four year contract extension for $72 million with $48.5 million guaranteed. At the time he was the highest paid player in the NFL.
In 2013, he signed a five year contract extension for $57 million and included a $30 million signing bonus.
In 2016, he signed a four year contract for $60 million.
In 2019, he signed a two year contract extension for $70 million. In reality it was $23 million for the 2019 season.

I think the sentiment comes from the 2013 contract, but it should be noted that it was an extension of the 2010 contract that made him the highest paid player in the NFL, it included a very big signing bonus, and that while the 2013 contract was for five years, he signed a new contract three years later.

Edit: sorry if I am continuing an off topic discussion or if I missed some posts while looking up the details.
 

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Yup the pass on second down was the 3rd worst play for them (and the worst "decision")

(After the 3rd and 15 and ticky tack Kittle OPI)

everyone at the SB party I was in who was rooting for SF was groaning andor yelling.
 

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Passing on that 2nd and 5 was a fireable offense. Even if they gain no yards they burn more clock.
The clock didn't matter. They weren't going to be able to kill it there; there were more than 5 minutes left. Leaving more time actually helped them because they had more time after KC scored. The only thing that was going to help them was getting first downs.
 

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I think I am going to end up feeling the same way about Shanahan as I did about Reid before he won last night: great coach, deserves to win the Super Bowl once, and an offensive genius. I am v happy for big red. He's now a HoF lock like he should have been (voters put too much of an emphasis on the SB).

Jimmy G had an awful second half of the game. Their OL also did not do well in the second half. I don't think it is fair to put this all on Shanahan.
 

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The clock didn't matter. They weren't going to be able to kill it there; there were more than 5 minutes left. Leaving more time actually helped them because they had more time after KC scored. The only thing that was going to help them was getting first downs.
OK then. The strength of their game is their running attack. They got away from that and put the ball in Jimmy's hands, and he responded with a 4th quarter reminiscent of David Fucking Woodley.

Run the fucking ball.