Whoa, Jiri is younger than me. Seems impossible given that he last played for the Celtics 30 years ago. Ok, maybe not, but I never would've remembered that he actually overlapped with Doc. The Ubuntu Cs are fresh in my mind, the Jiri Era seems like a lifetime ago.
We made the playoffs that year too, at 36-46. Got swept 4-0 by the Pacers. His play was one of the high points of the year. Danny loved him. A lot of people compared his play to Danny's actually. He was hyped to be a big deal though.
Carsen Edwards is not an asset though. If I am DET I would just rather have the roster spaot and cap space
I'm sure if Carsen was released today, some team would pick him up. He's also locked up on the cheap for 2 more years after this season. I think Carsen actually makes a lot of sense for Detroit. At the very least, they could try to build up his trade value. If it doesn't work out, they didn't really lose anything. The cap space is negligible and in the world of 15 man rosters, 1 roster spot is too.
This is where I’m at. I have him as having a terrible floor game but can shoot pretty good. You can find similar type shooters who can play some semblance of defense and able to rebound. Are there any NBA players whose wingspan is 2.5” shorter than their height? His is 2” longer than Isaiah Thomas and he can’t move defensively to compensate. Obviously not a fan of this player at the NBA level.
I don't know where the barely used him narrative is coming from. Post roster shuffle (trading Rose, sitting Blake) he's played the 5th most minutes for Detroit.
The barely used narrative comes from since the beginning of the season when they had a full, healthy roster.
I'm not a fan, either, but I feel that if he goes to a lousy team, and gets high usage, he'll put up some numbers that will make some Celtics fans say "Why can't we get players like that?"
He's averaging over 20 MPG since the Rose Trade, a bit more since they shut down Blake. Even before that though he was playing somewhere around the number of minutes we were playing TL, who I would hardly call seldom used.The barely used narrative comes from since the beginning of the season when they had a full, healthy roster.
Not some cherry-picked number that was influenced by the 36 minutes played last night and 38 minutes in a double OT game...but carry on
he ranks 12th in mpg on the 2nd worst team in the NBA
I know this is our de facto trade thread even though it was specifically for the TPE but maybe we have two discussions going in terms of actual trade targets versus players people want the Celtics to check in on. Just my .02 but
Regarding Jerami, in the hypothetical Detroit did trade him, what would the cost be?
Signed for another year. Decent size, can play PG. Can create his own shot, though he 's not really a scorer. He checks all the boxes in the least sexy way possible. I don't know if I'd call him the get, but he'd be a decent addition. Out of Svi and Ellington, yeah.
adv metrics like Delon Wright. BPM, DBPM, off/def rtg, WS, WAR - all positive
Lol, I’m sure he was the sticking point, not Jonas. I just thought he’d be better than Norm, but shockingly, Masai was right and I was wrong.
When you're discussing players on the next great Pistons team the first question normally is "What year will they be born?"
I know Danny hasn't made a midseason move in years, but I'd be really surprised if they don't make a fairly significant move. (Though I also thought they'd make a fairly significant move before the season started)
That's great, if the guy is a true difference maker. They're not going to miss a chance to reset the tax this year for a marginal guy. They publicly advertised this.
No one expects them to go over the tax for a marginal guy.
I see 8-10 potential sellers:
I think there is very little chance of the buyout market providing much of an upgrade.
There has been plenty of discussion of Orlando, Detroit and the Kings.
not exactly targets, but potentially available:
I don’t expect Danny to use the TPE based on Wyc’s pointed comments about having better opportunities over the summer. However, I expect some shakeups here as this year is different than others in that this team has underperformed and frankly he has to be feeling pressure from Wyc & Co. to improve this team right now (without mortgaging the future).
Kemba's recent play makes this route easier--a competent rotation wing suddenly looks like a much more useful piece than it did when Kemba was $35M of suck. Those types of upgrades generally cost a 1st rounder as the centerpiece, and it seems obvious to pay that price + shake up the low-end wing rotation if a contributor is available.
How is Bertans' defense now? I recall him being serviceable in San Antonio, but a trashfire in Washington, and I'm not sure how much of that is team culture and how much is aging/limited athleticism. If he's even mediocre, that's the best fit I see there.
If that’s the case, I would go after him hard. He plays the right position, shouldn’t require a huge haul, and sending out one salary like Romeo’s keeps you under the tax this year.
I like Bertans but whose minutes are we reducing to get him on the floor though? Theis? Not sure that’s a good idea in most situations. Also not crazy about the 3+ years remaining on his deal. I’d probably pass and try to find a cheaper version of him.
Yeah, this would be in lieu of 2-big lineups. I’m not sure why you’d be so worried about his age-31 season?
I'm more worried from a future salary cap flexibility and opportunity cost of the TPE standpoint and less about the on court productivity. Bertans is not a big enough impact guy for me to tie up money on long-term and use up a material amount of the TPE. He absolutely could help this team but I'd rather have a Bjelica, for instance, who is admittedly a lesser player but who is an expiring and who probably would cost less.
Agreed. I don't think the difference between Bertans and Bjelica as players is significant enough to tie up the money it would cost to acquire Bertans--if he's even available.
There’s a pretty big difference in that you could play Bertans at the 3 or 4 while keeping defense at the 5. You can’t play Bjelica at the 4 really, and you give up a ton of D playing him at the 5. There’s a reason Bertans gets paid more money, and that no one has dealt for Bjelica yet.
There may be extenuating circumstances, but Bertans has been underwhelming for Washington this season, given that he's on a five-year/$80 million deal.
I think that's what he is. The questions are about his perimeter defense against other stretch 4s, and it is not good. But I think that's where you plan to play him, personally. I think occasionally at the 5 against specific teams, but not a primary role or use especially given Celts 5s in place already
House has been shooting poorly this year, but was around 38% on high volume while playing decent D for a playoff team. He wouldn’t be a major piece, but a guy who could be a competent vet 3&D wing and he’d fit under the Kanter exception.
