Stop hoarding TP(E) - the what should the Celtics do with the TPE thread

What should the Celtics do with their TPE

  • Use it before the current season starts

    Votes: 6 4.6%
  • See what is available around the NBA trade deadline and level up for the playoffs

    Votes: 55 42.3%
  • Save it for next summer's free agent bonanza

    Votes: 69 53.1%

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I think we’re not going to see eye to eye here because I strongly believe that if you added a shooter with mediocre defense to our roster, Smart would start and close games over that player. I agree that a sharpshooter would have value, but it’s not value that displaces Smart, it is value that displaces Teague or Ojeleye.

Put differently, I think a lot of people are stuck on the model of”How do you build a team around a player like Lebron, Giannis, or Doncic?” because so much of recent NBA history has been about that question. None of our 3 stars are elite at getting to the rim with questionable shots. All of them are shooters. That makes us look more like the Warriors model, where the role players you need are elite defenders who can keep the ball moving and make plays for your stars. Smart is one of those players, like Iggy or Dray, who fits our roster structure perfectly. He’s exactly what we need. (This isn’t to deny that another shooter would help our bench. It would. But only if it comes as an addition, not at the expense of our 4th best player.)
Yeah, the difference of opinion, if we compare to Golden State, is that Boston doesn't have a Klay. Tatum+Brown also are probably better defensively than Steph+KD and not definitely not as good offensively, which means you both have some defensive downgrade to play with, and some offensive upgrade that's needed.

I freely admit that the Kemba situation drastically affects my analysis. I'm pessimistic on his being able to play out the span of his contract while still being KEMBA. If he can, then Smart makes a ton more sense imo, in exactly the role you describe.
 

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Yeah, the difference of opinion, if we compare to Golden State, is that Boston doesn't have a Klay. Tatum+Brown also are probably better defensively than Steph+KD and not definitely not as good offensively, which means you both have some defensive downgrade to play with, and some offensive upgrade that's needed.

I freely admit that the Kemba situation drastically affects my analysis. I'm pessimistic on his being able to play out the span of his contract while still being KEMBA. If he can, then Smart makes a ton more sense imo, in exactly the role you describe.
maybe we'll eventually have Klay ;)

Found this really interesting write-up on Nesmith:

A go-to scorer at the college level who uses a good number of possessions, the biggest initial question for Nesmith is how big of a transition he'll have to make in the NBA. The good news is that unlike many high-scoring college players, he isn't really a dominant ball-handler and already is used in multiple situations operating off the ball.
Relying heavily on his perimeter shot (308 jump shots compared to 123 shots around the basket in the half court this season according to Synergy), Nesmith is constantly moving without the ball and coming around screens, showing a great knack for finding open areas of the floor and being multi-capable once the ball gets in his hands. Making quick decisions and showing good scoring instincts, Nesmith doesn't usually have the ball for that long before it leaves his hands.
Nesmith is at his most comfortable spotting up or coming around screens, showing excellent shooting mechanics with consistent balance and a high and quick release. He has cut down on bad tendencies over the course of his career and doesn't take many ill-advised shots anymore, being pretty efficient overall. He's absolutely deadly with his jumper when left open, scoring 1.46 points per shot on uncontested jumpers according to Synergy, and he should see many more of those in the NBA as he transitions to having much less defensive attention.
With many volume shooters entering the NBA, there is a large change in role in terms of how often the ball is in their hands or what types of shots they're getting, but if he lands in a good situation, Nesmith's only adjustment will be the number of shots he takes, not the type. Any up-tempo team would be a good fit, though he could excel just as easily in a half court-oriented team with a lot of screening and ball movement.
Nesmith's lack of great athletic tools is somewhat concerning, though his solid size at 6'7 combined with a high release and a shot that doesn't need much separation should somewhat mitigate the increased athleticism and length he'll see from defenders. Transitioning from a first to likely third or fourth option will also help, while his high motor, constant off-ball movement, and feel for getting open will likely be his biggest assets. If he continues to exhibit those traits with a smaller role, he can be a major asset for a well-run half court offense.
Nesmith showed some improvements with his ability to attack off the dribble as a freshman, though it is still not a great strength, as his first step is underwhelming and he lacks much in the lane of advanced ball-handling. He occasionally shows some toughness going to the rim and isn't afraid of contact, while he also has a nice floater in the lane, which he gets off easily at his size in spite of his lack of vertical explosiveness.
Nesmith's biggest assets in his dribble-drive game are his decisiveness and off-ball motion, however, as he frequently gets a half step on his man before he even puts the ball on the floor due to the positions he catches the ball in. This, combined with his quick decision-making and good recognition of driving lanes make him dangerous with straight-line drives from the wing, which should at least be enough to keep NBA defenses honest.
He'll never likely be a great finisher at the rim, nor one to take his man consistently in isolation, but has the feel and skills to utilize the dribble-drive playing more off the ball, something that will likely be critical to separate him from being just a perimeter shooter.
Another area Nesmith improved upon during his time in college is his passing game, something he'll likely need to continue doing at the pro level. He shows occasional prowess both on simple drive-and-dishes and operating pick-and-rolls, being a solid passer for a wing. Given his likely diminished scoring role in the pros, turning this area from adequate to a strength could definitely help him become a useful cog, and it would go well with his prowess moving off the ball.
While there are some concerns about Nesmith's athleticism hurting his offensive game at the next level, the bigger concerns lie on the defensive end, where he is noticeably lacking in lateral quickness and is taken off the dribble often.
Nesmith's effort level on the defensive end has improved during his time in college, and he shows solid awareness and makes good rotations off the ball, but his lack of quickness is certainly something that can be exploited. His problems can be hid somewhat on good defensive teams, and his apparent effort level and capacity for playing good team defense will certainly be useful, though he'd have a lot of work to do to even become an average NBA defender overall.
Nesmith's defensive problems should be equally pronounced at either the shooting guard or small forward positions, and the questions for teams will be how much can they coach him up and whether his offensive strengths do enough to outweigh his defensive shortcomings. His progress as a freshman and strong season overall definitely quell those concerns, at least somewhat.
Looking forward, Nesmith's scoring versatility and the diverse roles he's played at the college level make him a potentially good fit in a variety of offenses in the NBA. His lack of great athleticism will likely always limit him from becoming an offensive focal point, and being drafted by a young team lacking go-to scorers might give him opportunities, but would likely not help his long-term development.
Currently projected as a mid-first rounder, Nesmith will likely have a chance to be drafted by a playoff-caliber team, where he could find early opportunities to be an offensive cog with his off-ball movement and spot shooting ability. Being equally capable from both mid and long range while not needing the ball in his hands to score, Nesmith would fit well on a team with a balanced offense that also has the defenders to make up for his shortcomings. San Antonio, Denver, and Utah are three obvious examples, especially because they're all known for their history with spot-shooting wings, though he could also excel on an up-tempo team with a penchant for pushing the ball ahead for open shots.
With his highly developed perimeter skill set and feel for the game, Nesmith could contribute early in his career, and probably doesn't have a significant upside beyond what he is now due to his physical limitations. There's no guarantee he seamlessly makes the role to being a lesser scoring option, however, and he will need to stay away from the bad habits he had earlier in his college career, something being drafted onto a winning team with strong coaching would definitely help avoid.
OK, I lied. That wasn't Nesmith's profile. That was Klay Thompson's DraftExpress write-up from 2011. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Klay-Thompson-5490/ - except I changed "Thompson" to "Nesmith" and "junior" to "freshman".

From what I am reading in this thread, that profile sounds like it could have been written from Nesmith
 

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"Offense" is too general a category. If you have 3 elite playmakers, you absolutely need to surround them with the right offensive pieces in order to maximize their value.

I'm fine if people disagree that Hield is that guy, but I think that you're sleeping in general on how big a deal it would be to have an elite shooter who was a slightly below-average defender in Smart's spot.
I think everyone agrees that an elite shooter who is a slightly below average defender would be a big addition---who are you imagining fits that profile? I really don't see much of a case---statistically or observationally--that Hield can live up to the second part.

I am in the group that believes (as do advanced metrics like RPM, for what it is worth) that two-way guys are generally underrated relative to 3Pt shooters on this board. That is not to say the 3 Pt skill isn't/wouldn't be hugely valuable for this team (personally, my enthusiasm for Nesmith pick was precisely what you suggest above as being his potential profile) it is just that some people---not you---tend to minimize what is lost defensively perhaps blinded by the bright lights of a higher shooting %.

Also agree with JakeRae that the role Smart plays is different than what Hield would play in a way that further reduces Hield's impact. And to me makes it pretty hard to want to make that swap.

Here's a different way to think about it: wouldn't you rather get an inferior scorer like, say, Wayne Ellington for free and keep Smart than do Smart+ for Hield?
 

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Redick was better two years ago and worse last year than Hield, at least via RPM (which is not perfect, but imo is best single-source defensive rating) If I were guessing he's worse today, though the gaps are pretty different---Redick tries and knows where to go but just doesn't have a lot of quickness anymore. Hield is a bad effort/awareness guy. You can do more to cover for Redick but I worry a lot that he's just cooked, personally.
 

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But isnt the Reddick Idea exactly what @PedroKsBambino is saying? We are not saying Smart for Reddick VS Smart for Hield. We are saying Smart AND Reddick is better then Sending Smart+ out FOR Hield.

I assume that Reddick would be way cheaper then Smart+. Fair? Like maybe only a Celtic 1st (So 23+).
 

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We have people in here wondering if JJ Redick is a possibility. He is a worse defender than Hield, is he not?
No one is discussing trading Smart for Redick. If his poor shooting is just a SSS, Redick is exactly the sort of sharpshooter that could potentially help the team in a limited role, and doesn’t push us into taxpayer status. He is a similar level of bad defensively as Hield.
 

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maybe we'll eventually have Klay ;)
I think everyone agrees that an elite shooter who is a slightly below average defender would be a big addition---who are you imagining fits that profile? I really don't see much of a case---statistically or observationally--that Hield can live up to the second part.

I am in the group that believes (as do advanced metrics like RPM, for what it is worth) that two-way guys are generally underrated relative to 3Pt shooters on this board. That is not to say the 3 Pt skill isn't/wouldn't be hugely valuable for this team (personally, my enthusiasm for Nesmith pick was precisely what you suggest above as being his potential profile) it is just that some people---not you---tend to minimize what is lost defensively perhaps blinded by the bright lights of a higher shooting %.

Also agree with JakeRae that the role Smart plays is different than what Hield would play in a way that further reduces Hield's impact. And to me makes it pretty hard to want to make that swap.

Here's a different way to think about it: wouldn't you rather get an inferior scorer like, say, Wayne Ellington for free and keep Smart than do Smart+ for Hield?
Yeah, Hield in particular is not the hill I want to die on--I'm willing to be convinced that he's below the acceptable defensive threshold.

An Ellington type would be interesting, although I haven't looked into his defense. I would rather get someone like that and keep Smart, yes.

In terms of guys who might be available that fit the profile, I need to look through the league again.
 

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36 year old Reddick is at 30% from three on the year (on 5.3 attempts per game). He doesn't bring anything else to the table so if that number doesn't improve we'd be wasting half the TPE and whatever else we sent to NO. I'd feel better about his ability to have a stronger second half if he was younger than 36.
 

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I am not that much of a believer in Redick---for me, he's a guy you take a min shot on if he's bought out or (if he shows some signs of life) a second a few years out.

Someone is probably going to pay more and I'm fine letting them...
 

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No one is discussing trading Smart for Redick. If his poor shooting is just a SSS, Redick is exactly the sort of sharpshooter that could potentially help the team in a limited role, and doesn’t push us into taxpayer status. He is a similar level of bad defensively as Hield.
I didn't think anyone was seriously suggesting Smart for Hield. If so, then Reddick would be a more ideal candidate
 

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Reddick has been more or less invisible any time I've watched the Pelicans this year. They're not much of a 3 point shooting team, 28th in both attempts and percent made, so I wouldn't be surprised if he regressed back to closer to his averages in an environment with better floor spacing. Looks like he's making $13M this year and at that salary he isn't worth an asset just to gamble on him returning to form.
 

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Reddick has been more or less invisible any time I've watched the Pelicans this year. They're not much of a 3 point shooting team, 28th in both attempts and percent made, so I wouldn't be surprised if he regressed back to closer to his averages in an environment with better floor spacing. Looks like he's making $13M this year and at that salary he isn't worth an asset just to gamble on him returning to form.
Yeah, I'm not jumping at Redick given the opportunity cost of using the MLE along with the potential acquisition cost. He's a guy I'd sit on until the deadline, if he's still there. I'd rather give those minutes to Nesmith right now anyways.
 

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Looks like he's making $13M this year and at that salary he isn't worth an asset just to gamble on him returning to form.
This is basically where I am. If his salary was low enough that the Celtics could fit him into the ~$5m Kanter TPE, it would be worth considering, but using half of the Hayward TPE on him seems like a stretch. I suspect the Celtics will want to keep the entire Hayward TPE open going into the offseason so they at least have the option of absorbing the contract of a much better player, should one become available.
 

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Garrett Temple had that look of a guy you might buy low on and get some veteran production from. Tough looking defender who is having a career year shooting the ball. Maybe the shooting is a mirage, but if you don't think Langford or Nesmith are going to be prime time players this year it's a niche they could stand to fill.
 

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Agree with your overall point but I would say Jaylen Brown is elite at getting to the rim now. I just watched him have more simple blow by's to the hoop leading to an easy layup in three games than I think I have seen any Celtic player have ever (slight exaggeration).
You've completely misunderstood what he's saying. He gave you three examples of guys that are streaky shooters, Giannis, LeBron, and Luka, whose games involve them penetrating the defense and making plays (Jimmy Butler is another example). To unlock their greatest impact you need to surround them with knockdown shooters because their own jumpshooting is streaky. Boston doesn't rely on that type of player.

Boston's three primary options are all good to great shooters. Just like the DuCK Warriors were a few years ago. And much like those Golden State Warriors of yore, they don't need knockdown shooters to line up next to their big three, they need guys like Marcus, Dray, and Iggy. Hardnosed defenders that keep the ball moving and make plays for their big three.

Jaylen doesn't need Buddy Hield to space the floor for him because he just is the floor spacer. He's so good a shot now that his defender has to stay glued to him, which allows him, with his drastically improved handle, to blow by his defender. And opponents can't pack the paint because they need to stay glued to Jayson and Kemba too. This was also Walker's game, defenders have to respect that jumper of his because of how quickly he launches, which makes it easier for him to take them off the dribble and get penetration.

Now, shooters are necessary for second unit lineups where only one of their big three are on the floor, but they might have that answer in house. And you absolutely don't trade a player that you have to have (such as Smart) to make the second unit a little more effective.
 

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Garrett Temple had that look of a guy you might buy low on and get some veteran production from. Tough looking defender who is having a career year shooting the ball. Maybe the shooting is a mirage, but if you don't think Langford or Nesmith are going to be prime time players this year it's a niche they could stand to fill.
Another guy to look at is Sterling Brown, he's turned into a very solid all round player that has a good size/length/stength package. Unfortunately it likely costs you Langford to get there.
 

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Boston's three primary options are all good to great shooters. Just like the DuCK Warriors were a few years ago. And much like those Golden State Warriors of yore, they don't need knockdown shooters to line up next to their big three, they need guys like Marcus, Dray, and Iggy. Hardnosed defenders that keep the ball moving and make plays for their big three.
Thaddeus Young would seem to fit that bill.
 

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It should be noted that February 6th is the first day that players who signed FA contracts in the offseason can be traded.

"As Feb. 2 looms as the NBA’s deadline for teams to aggregate acquired players in a trade later, the New Orleans Pelicans have focused on the Philadelphia 76ers, Brooklyn Nets and Boston Celtics as potential trade destinations for JJ Redick, sources tell The Athletic's Shams Charania.

Redick, whose family resides in Brooklyn, is believed to have a strong preference to return to the northeast area. No deal is imminent yet, sources said.

In the 76ers, Nets and Celtics, the Pelicans are targeting a championship contender for a trade home. All three teams have expressed interest, sources said. Redick is on a $13.1 million contract that expires at the end of the season."

https://theathletic.com/news/pelicans-jj-redick-trade-76ers-nets-celtics/mIuEEEjnKXQu
 
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Another guy to look at is Sterling Brown, he's turned into a very solid all round player that has a good size/length/stength package. Unfortunately it likely costs you Langford to get there.
yea I'd be more inclined to let Langford ripen than move him for a bench piece now. Feels like that would be selling low on Romeo. His wing defense could be very helpful as JayCrew continue their ascendence.
 

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I worry that Redick is close to the end and declining; that is a big chunk of the TPE for a pretty uncertain value.

It does accomplish the goal of keeping them under lux tax this year and leaving a $15 mil slot within TPE for next year, so it is not a disatrous outcome in my book....just not something I would be excited about at least until right at the deadline (when you know what else might have been possible)

Also, to me he's little above a salary dump---this is a "future second round pick" or Waters kind of trade.
 

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I worry that Redick is close to the end and declining; that is a big chunk of the TPE for a pretty uncertain value.

It does accomplish the goal of keeping them under lux tax this year and leaving a $15 mil slot within TPE for next year, so it is not a disatrous outcome in my book....just not something I would be excited about at least until right at the deadline (when you know what else might have been possible)

Also, to me he's little above a salary dump---this is a "future second round pick" or Waters kind of trade.
Yeah, I like Redick and don’t think he’s cooked but I’m not using half of the TPE on him right now.
 

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I worry that Redick is close to the end and declining; that is a big chunk of the TPE for a pretty uncertain value.

It does accomplish the goal of keeping them under lux tax this year and leaving a $15 mil slot within TPE for next year, so it is not a disatrous outcome in my book....just not something I would be excited about at least until right at the deadline (when you know what else might have been possible)

Also, to me he's little above a salary dump---this is a "future second round pick" or Waters kind of trade.
Agreed, don't waste a bullet on Redick, who doesn't move the needle IMO.

Sellers in Feb? probably NOLA, Minn, Detroit, Wash...
Trade partners looking to move vets for youth? OKC, Orlando, Chicago, Kings.

Danny has tons of flexibility, so he has the choice to GFIN or play the long game this Summer. Brad just needs to continue focusing the offense around JayCrew and developing young guys like TL, Nesmith, Pritchard, Romeo, Grant
 

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It's the amount a player makes for his new team. So if a player is making $20 million with a 15% kicker then he counts at $23 million for the purposes of the trade.
 

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He isnt a guy I have heard any discussion about, but I wonder if the 3-12 Wizards would be open to trading Bertans. They just signed him, but I think they had a much different view of their ability to contend back then.

He doesn't help our defensive issues, or rebound, but a 6-10 wing who can hit tons of 3's seems like exactly what we want, otherwise.
 

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He isnt a guy I have heard any discussion about, but I wonder if the 3-12 Wizards would be open to trading Bertans. They just signed him, but I think they had a much different view of their ability to contend back then.

He doesn't help our defensive issues, or rebound, but a 6-10 wing who can hit tons of 3's seems like exactly what we want, otherwise.
They acquired Bertans in a three way trade that Brooklyn used to clear salary. It had nothing to do with contending. They re-signed him because he was useful and it usually pays to re-sign useful roleplayers to reasonable deals because they can always be converted into darft picks later.
 

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The JJ Redick option seems like the worst possible in season trade. Forget the possibility that he might be completely washed (which seems very possible,) but if you trade for a FA who you cant or won't resign, then the TPE becomes mostly useless as a building block for the current window. There is a reason why people focus on multi-year contacts like Harrison Barnes as TPE candidates. Even if you dont keep them, you still have a major salary to trade.

I would rather do nothing than trade for Redick at the deadline.

I think the TPE should be used on a single, starting caliber player. Its hard to say if that player is actually on the market.
 

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The JJ Redick option seems like the worst possible in season trade. Forget the possibility that he might be completely washed (which seems very possible,) but if you trade for a FA who you cant or won't resign, then the TPE becomes mostly useless as a building block for the current window. There is a reason why people focus on multi-year contacts like Harrison Barnes as TPE candidates. Even if you dont keep them, you still have a major salary to trade.

I would rather do nothing than trade for Redick at the deadline.

I think the TPE should be used on a single, starting caliber player. Its hard to say if that player is actually on the market.
Redick is a tidy narrative because the Celtics “need shooting” but I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly. A buyout situation is another story but for a team already struggling with guard D, it’s not an ideal fit.

Someone who can consolidate all the random wing minutes into one reliable guy would be nice.
 

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Someone who can consolidate all the random wing minutes into one reliable guy would be nice.
The Celtics might even have that guy on their roster right now, but I don't think we'll find that out with the most recent "play 8 guys for 4 minutes each" approach. I'm not talking about going to a 6-7 man rotation, I'm talking about picking a lane and running with a reasonable 8-9 man rotation to see if Grant or Semi or Javonte Green or whatever, can actually play. Run that for 2 weeks, and if the answer is "no", pick the next guy on the list.

I know there has been some issues with injuries lately (which is pretty much SOP in the NBA anyway), but I don't think playing a guy for 4 minutes and then never letting him in the game again is any kind of sample size to understand whether he can contribute.
 

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I know there has been some issues with injuries lately (which is pretty much SOP in the NBA anyway), but I don't think playing a guy for 4 minutes and then never letting him in the game again is any kind of sample size to understand whether he can contribute.
This seems like a strawman. Carsen has the fewest MPG on the team and even he is at about 9 minutes per game played. Granted some of the numbers are skewed due to garbage time minutes but the scenario of "putting in a guy for 4 minutes and then not playing him again" is just not occurring with any regularity.
 

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The Celtics might even have that guy on their roster right now, but I don't think we'll find that out with the most recent "play 8 guys for 4 minutes each" approach. I'm not talking about going to a 6-7 man rotation, I'm talking about picking a lane and running with a reasonable 8-9 man rotation to see if Grant or Semi or Javonte Green or whatever, can actually play. Run that for 2 weeks, and if the answer is "no", pick the next guy on the list.

I know there has been some issues with injuries lately (which is pretty much SOP in the NBA anyway), but I don't think playing a guy for 4 minutes and then never letting him in the game again is any kind of sample size to understand whether he can contribute.
yeah, that is not at all what is happening.
With the exception of the New Year's Day game, Semi has played at least 12 minutes in every appearance and is averaging a career high 17.9 MPG
Javonte Green picked up a DNP against the Lakers, but before that he came back from COVID and played under 12 minutes only once, he's averaging 17.2 MPG (obviously a career high)
Grant was also a DNP against the Lakers, he's seen his minutes go down recently due to poor play but even then he has 1 game under 10 minutes (early season), he's averaging 17.4 MPG
Nesmith is the only guy to get short stints, 1 5 minute, 3 8-9 minutes, and 5 10-20 minutes, he's up to 12.8 MPG on the year.

The wings are all getting perfectly reasonable bench run.
 

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Regular season Brad tends toward a 10-11 man rotation most nights (assuming full health and availability. If the starting five get about 32mpg each, that's 160 minutes, leaving about 80 of the remaining 240 to be split among the 5-6 others, which is 13-15 mpg each.
 

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This seems like a strawman. Carsen has the fewest MPG on the team and even he is at about 9 minutes per game played. Granted some of the numbers are skewed due to garbage time minutes but the scenario of "putting in a guy for 4 minutes and then not playing him again" is just not occurring with any regularity.
It just happened last week in that 13 guy rotation game against the Spurs.
 

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It just happened last week in that 13 guy rotation game against the Spurs.
The only players to play around 4 minutes that game were Carsen and Nesmith, and all the starters other than Theis played almost exactly the same amount of minutes they are averaging for the season overall. The specific guys you mentioned (Grant, Semi, Green) played 11, 13, and 14 minutes, respectively. So if your point is just that realistically Carsen shouldn't be getting any playing time at all and his minutes are best given to others, I tend to agree with you (although as you note injuries have complicated things), but other than that I don't really see a huge issue with the minutes distribution in that game or otherwise.

Obviously when we get the playoffs it's a totally different situation and I'm sure Brad will tighten his rotations then just like everyone does.

Edit: totally missed that Cellar-Door and Saints Rest effectively said the same thing already, but I'll leave up my post anyway as a longer way of saying "I agree with them."
 

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When do we think teams will decide to open up the fire sales?
Who will be sellers?
Which teams are most likely to be willing to trade to the Celtics?
Sellers in Feb? probably NOLA, Minn, Detroit, Wash...
Trade partners looking to move vets for youth? OKC, Orlando, Chicago, Sac
 

DGreenwood

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Any chance Bertans’ early season struggles could lead Wash to consider dealing him? Makes about $15-16 / year for next 5 years. Reasonable deal if you think last year Bertans is coming back at some point.
I've been silently and irrationally hoping for exactly this.
 

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I want no part of Bertans. That contract is not what I want to be paying a poor defender and rebounder whose only value comes from shooting 3s in a 20-25MPG role.
 

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Harrison Barnes looked decent in his "Get me the Hell out of here" game.
 

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Harrison Barnes looked decent in his "Get me the Hell out of here" game.
I could get behind this. Has a descending deal and would be here for 2 years after this one. Been a 40% 3pt shooter for the past 3 years on decent volume. Can slide into the PF role next to Tatum and Brown and we wouldn't have to see any Theis/TT lineups ever again
 

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I could get behind this. Has a descending deal and would be here for 2 years after this one. Been a 40% 3pt shooter for the past 3 years on decent volume. Can slide into the PF role next to Tatum and Brown and we wouldn't have to see any Theis/TT lineups ever again
Plus he would benefit by playing with a bunch of perimeter threats, like he did early in his career with the Warriors.
 

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Bjelica would seem to fit---he's available I assume. $7.1 mil salary. Can the 175% rule get that within the Kanter exception, or would it require a piece of the Hayward exception?
 

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One thing is certain, Port Cellar is never going to agree on this MLE target :)

I kind of like Bertans but the contract isn't great, particularly the duration. I'm sure Ainge will be looking for a cheaper shooting option, like Bjelica. I'm more intrigued by Barnes who is making a little more money but who has a better all-around game and a shorter contract. If one of the Jay's were ever to miss significant time, feel like Barnes would be useful in picking up the slack. We don't really have anyone on the roster who can.