Status of Boston's Farm System

BaseballJones

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They've done a lot of work to add talent to what was a weak system:

In the Betts/Price deal:
- C Connor Wong
- OF Alex Verdugo - already looks like a very good MLB player
- 2b Jeter Downs

In the Hembree/Workman deal:
- P Connor Seabold
- P Nick Pivetta

In the Moreland deal:
- 3b Hudson Potts
- OF Jeisson Rosario

In the Pillar deal:
- PTBNL from the Rockies

In the Osich deal:
- PTBNL from the Cubs

Via waivers from Philly:
- C Deivy Grullon

In the draft:
- 2b Nick Yorke
- 3b/1b Blaze Jordan
- P Jeremy Wu-Yelland
- P James Drohan

Seems like a lot of very intriguing talent added to the Sox' system. Most of it won't pan out, but the more rolls of the dice you get, the more likely it is you get a hit. Or whatever the idiom is.


Now thinking about their top prospects, soxprospects.com has this list:

1. 1b Tristan Casas
2. 2b Jeter Downs*
3. P Bryan Mata
4. CF Jarren Duran
5. P Noah Song
6. 3b/1b Bobby Dalbec (now up in the majors)
7. CF Gilberto Jimenez
8. P Jay Groome
9. P Thaddeus Ward
10. P Tanner Houck
11. OF Jeisson Rosario*
12. P Connor Seabold*
13. 2b Nick Yorke*
14. SS Matthew Lugo
15. 3b/2b Hudson Potts*
16. 3b/1b Blaze Jordan*
17. SS CJ Chatham
18. P Aldo Ramirez
19. P Chris Murphy (not to be confused with the senator from CT)
20. C Connor Wong*

*Represents players added this year via draft, waivers, or trade

So where would Grullon, Wu-Yelland, and Drohan fit in there?
 
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Rwillh11

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Not in the top 20.

The system is clearly better but is still in the lowest one-third of MLB systems.
Sox Prospects slots Grullon in at 29, Drohan at 36 and Wu-Yelland way down at 60.

I am a bit surprised that Wong is ranked above Grullon, simply because Grullon has been more advanced for his age, and actually has significantly better offensive numbers (especially with Wongs super high K rate). Plus arm, but doesn't appear to be a great receiver, so maybe its the defense? Maybe the kind of player who would benefit from Robot umps...
 

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We're really just deeper in guys who maybe will turn into something if everything goes right. The top 3 prospects project as "Average Regular".

The top 20 guys in the system project between 4 and 5, according to SP rankings, 17 of which are split rather evenly between 4.5 and 4 (Bench/Utility player, Up & Down Player). It's understandable if there's some disagreement about where guys fall on the continuum, but we're getting psyched about guys that other systems have to sneak through waivers because they don't have 40-man space. Much work still to do.
 
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A much better shot at getting into the middle third with the depth and upside acquired.
 

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Sure it's way too soon, but with 20 games to play, Boston is lined up for the #1 pick. John Tomase wrote an article that they don't deserve the #1 pick. I don't see why not. It looks like they've been trying to win when I watch the games. They just have no pitching. Vanderbilt right-handers Kumar Rocker and Jack Leiter are the top 2 prospects on most sites and just what the Sox need. One of them plus Noah Song can hopefully form 2/5 of the rotation in 2023. I know, too soon for speculating. But a guy can dream, can't he?
 

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Sure it's way too soon, but with 20 games to play, Boston is lined up for the #1 pick. John Tomase wrote an article that they don't deserve the #1 pick. I don't see why not. It looks like they've been trying to win when I watch the games. They just have no pitching. Vanderbilt right-handers Kumar Rocker and Jack Leiter are the top 2 prospects on most sites and just what the Sox need. One of them plus Noah Song can hopefully form 2/5 of the rotation in 2023. I know, too soon for speculating. But a guy can dream, can't he?
Save yourself. Don't read John Tomase. If he had any integrity at all, he would have changed careers a long time ago.

Regarding your dream, we definitely can enjoy dreaming about a dominant college arm high draft pick if we want to.
 

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I feel a lot more confident with bloom in charge of the (potential) number 1 pick. I would, however, see him take a position player. Pitching is so damn unpredictable...especially in the COVID era.
 

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I feel a lot more confident with bloom in charge of the (potential) number 1 pick. I would, however, see him take a position player. Pitching is so damn unpredictable...especially in the COVID era.
The Sox have shown they’ve been pretty capable at developing positional prospects but absolutely awful at developing pitching.

Give me a legit, top tier ace that has a fighting chance of making an impact at the major league club over an outfielder or SS prospect.
 

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With 2 highly rated college arms at the top of the draft, the Red Sox are sure to get a pick no higher than 3.
I would be more optimistic about that if there were actual rules in place about this, but apparently MLB is just going to wait till the season's over and then make up some rules about who picks when. Seems fair, I'm sure Rob Manfred will do a great job and not totally botch it pointlessly.
 

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The system is clearly better but is still in the lowest one-third of MLB systems.
Agree. Hard to be overly excited about a system that lists a SoxProspects-projected back end starter in Mata 3rd (I personally think he projects higher than that); a guy sometimes referred to as a one-tool prospect (Duran) at 4; a guy with an unclear Navy commitment at 5 (Song); and an alarming strikeout machine at 6 (Dalbec, although I do like his power, OBP and glove)
 

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Now add P Jacob Wallace to this list.

In the Betts/Price deal:
- C Connor Wong
- OF Alex Verdugo - already looks like a very good MLB player
- 2b Jeter Downs

In the Hembree/Workman deal:
- P Connor Seabold
- P Nick Pivetta

In the Moreland deal:
- 3b Hudson Potts
- OF Jeisson Rosario

In the Pillar deal:
- P Jacob Wallace

In the Osich deal:
- PTBNL from the Cubs

Via waivers from Philly:
- C Deivy Grullon

In the draft:
- 2b Nick Yorke
- 3b/1b Blaze Jordan
- P Jeremy Wu-Yelland
- P James Drohan

Some very intriguing players here.
 

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Dalbec still remains a prospect and will still be a rookie next year right or is there some weird rule this year?

Usually it's 150 PA or 60 days on the roster (I think 60). Don't know why that would change.
 

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Dalbec still remains a prospect and will still be a rookie next year right or is there some weird rule this year?

Usually it's 150 PA or 60 days on the roster (I think 60). Don't know why that would change.
They did change the rules so that Sept roster days counted, but Dalbec is still a prospect and actually mlb.com moved him to their top 100 list yesterday, #100.
 

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The Athletic (subscribe already!) has a nice writeup on how some of the prospects did this summer at the minor league camp, with PawSox manager Billy McMillon and pitching coach Paul Abbott assessing some of the top prospects.

Highlights:
McMillon on Casas:
“His discipline at the plate was incredible. His approach was a little bit different than what you might see from some of the guys today. He spread out, he choked up, and wasn’t afraid to hit the ball the other way. He definitely has an idea at the plate. I really like how intelligent he is at the plate and he was a guy that I think really benefited from coming up and facing Triple-A, four-A type pitching. He held his own, had very good at-bats, walked a lot. And defense, I think he’s going to be solid.”

Abbott on Bryan Mata:
“I can’t say enough about this kid. He’s as exciting as anybody in baseball. Top-shelf fastball, top-shelf slider, curveball above average and an excellent changeup. It’s hard to squeeze all those pitches in when the first two are so dynamic. He’s a young kid that got a little taste of Double-A last year and Fall League did him well. But for him he got a ton of value out of this situation. His command wasn’t consistent enough but a small little tweak in a low-stress environment like we were in allowed him to make some adjustments.”

Groome: 3 pitches, smooth delivery, hard to figure out what level to start him next year.

J. Downs: Defense took a strong step forward. Offensively, needs to work on confidence. Tremendous upside.

McMillon on Duran:
“He had an unbelievable offensive camp. He stole a ton of bases, hit a lot of home runs, impacted the baseball hard day in and day out. I think he continues to get better in the outfield and as that continues to get better, I think that’s going to help clear the path for him. He’s OK, he’s solid, but you can see there’s room for improvement there and we did some things working on footwork and routes to balls and he cleaned that up a little bit. So for me, the question is, can he do that consistently and if he hits a lull with his offense, is he going to stay as positive as he was all camp?”

Nick Yorke:
Area of progress
: Impressive offensive showing as an 18-year-old in his professional debut
Needs improvement: Overall development, following a structured nutrition and strength plan

Abbott on Conor Seabold:
“Connor, his stuff across the board is probably middle of the road, slightly above average. His changeup is not a top-of-the-food-chain type pitch. But his fastball grades out, carries better and looks better. The (velocity), he’s got a little deception to him. He’s a grinder out there in the short time I saw him, competes really well. He’s developed or started to develop a curveball with him, something a little slower and deeper than his slider. But another kid that needs to season a little bit and face some better hitters. He hasn’t been above Double-A, but I like his makeup. And I like his pitchability. He’s that guy that can eat up some innings and get some quality starts.”

Jeisson Rosario:
Area of progress
: Solid defensively
Needs improvement: Developing power

Two under-the-radar pitchers who impressed:
LHP Steven Gonsalves and 31-year-old RHP Seth Blair.

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I think the issue going forward for Duran is going to be defense. His bat may be able to carry hit at CF if he can provide at least average defense, but if he has to move to a corner that bat has to improve in a major way for hit to stick as a starter. I suspect he is probably going to be a really good 4th outfielder.