Stanton & Marlins discussing $325M, 13-year deal?
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I mean the only logical argument I can come up with is that if he wants to win a ring he'll turn it down. Can't see that happening in Miami if they give him $30 million of their payroll for the next 10 years.Darnell's Son said:
But I bet he takes the money.
Given the Marlins history, I'd bet Stanton is insisting on a no-trade clause if they want him to sign. Can't imagine he would commit that long, no matter the money involved, if he didn't have 100% control over where he plays for the duration of the deal.
Is it weird that the only thing I find remotely interesting about the whole thing is what kind of trade protections he'll get?
If I'm signing a ten year contract with anyone, I'm going to want some control over where that contract can be transferred.
Which is to say, I'm not taking out a mortgage on a house if the house can move to fucking St Louis without asking me.
If I'm signing a ten year contract with anyone, I'm going to want some control over where that contract can be transferred.
Which is to say, I'm not taking out a mortgage on a house if the house can move to fucking St Louis without asking me.
My first thought was, all the more reason to sign Moncada and not trade any of the prospects for pitching. Elite guys aren't hitting FA anymore until they are too old to be worth the money.
I think he turns it down, since there are likely half a dozen teams that will offer him a contract in that same neighborhood two years from now and who are better bets to be annual contenders than the Marlins. That and the fact that he may make $35 million over the next two years in Miami via arbitration....
Rudy Pemberton said:
When was the last time a player of that age and ability has reached FA? I don't think the FO is going to announce how they would handle opportunities they have never been presented with.
Rasputin said:
With that kind of scratch, would he need to take out a mortgage, even for a Miami-area mansion?
Ed Hillel said:
My thinking as well. I do think his calculations may be different now than they would have been in August. I can only imagine that it's harder to think, "Well, maybe I can get more in two years" after going through that.
Rasputin said:
I don't know whether there's any way that's legal in the CBA to do this, but if I'm Stanton what I really want more than a no-trade is some sort of guaranteed overall minimum team salary.
$300 million is enough that if he gets traded, so what - buy a private jet to fly home with. I'd be much more worried about signing that deal, and then having half that contract be on teams where he's 80% of the total team salary.
If they are seriously offering him a contract in that neighborhood he's not turning it down. He'd be insane to do so, regardless of how he feels about winning a title. Besides, The Marlins have two championships in the last two decades. If Stanton stays put and they lock up their young talent (Fernandez, Yelich, Hechaverria), it's an indication that Loria is ready to spend again. Sure, he'll probably blow it up again down the road, but the idea that the Marlins never spend isn't really true. Loria will take a shot at a title for a few seasons and win or lose, he'll hit the reset button again.
At that point, if Stanton wants out, he'll waive his no trade clause (because yes... he's getting one) and they'll work something out with a big market team that can take on the majority of his contract.
At that point, if Stanton wants out, he'll waive his no trade clause (because yes... he's getting one) and they'll work something out with a big market team that can take on the majority of his contract.
Rudy Pemberton said:
Was there any indication that the Sox would give out a $200 million, 10 year record setting contract 14 years ago, before they gave that to Manny? I absolutely hope they would be in on a 26 year old Stanton at that price - this is not $254 million for 10 years of Pujols' starting at age 31...
seantoo said:
Good call. 10 years ago. His walk year was better than any year of Stanton's but Stanton has been much more consistent. But Beltre is probably the closest over the last 10 years.
TheYaz67 said:
Eh, I wouldn't bet 300 millions on not getting a career ending injury today.
Too bad he most likely won't sniff a ring tho, but it's hard to blame him for not turning that down, I think nobody on his right mind would.
In two years too many things can happen.
Antoine Walker went through $110M in salary in less than 15 years. $300M might not get Stanton to Social Security.Ed Hillel said:
so for the next 12 years Giancarlo Stanton will be like 75% of the Marlins' payroll? are they suddenly gonna increase their budget? or is this the definition of an albatross contract? when do you think they are gonna need to trade jose fernandez if they are paying Stanton 30 mil a year? his first arb year ie next offseason?
They've spent in the past, I don't get why this is a big thing. Their opening day payroll in 2012 was $101m. They just traded all of it away when they decided to not compete.
If it includes a NTC, that will be news. Otherwise, there's no guarantee he remains on the Marlins even if it is a 10+ year deal.
If it includes a NTC, that will be news. Otherwise, there's no guarantee he remains on the Marlins even if it is a 10+ year deal.
I made the move from Boston to Miami as a single guy when I was 26...best decision ever. Can't blame Stanton for not only getting paid a ton of cash but wanting to stay in a place where model quality women are a dime a dozenDan to Theo to Ben said:
Isn't such an onerous contract kind of a no trade in and of itself?
Let's say the Marlins want to move him, who could afford him except a big market team with a chance of winning (one would think). It is not like Houston is going to pick him up given their current state.
Let's say the Marlins want to move him, who could afford him except a big market team with a chance of winning (one would think). It is not like Houston is going to pick him up given their current state.
I can only imagine that Stanton would require full no-trade protection built into that contract, if accepted.
For the life of me, I don't know why he'd want to stay on a team that has no true chance of annually contending, but money talks, I guess.
For the life of me, I don't know why he'd want to stay on a team that has no true chance of annually contending, but money talks, I guess.
Laser Show said:
I honestly would be enraged if the Sox signed anybody to a contract like that. Huge bust potential, irregardless of who it is or the age of the player.
Stanton strikes out at a career 28% clip. How many players age well with that kind of K%? Off the top of my head, I can only really think of Jim Thome. Guys like Dunn and Howard starting rapidly declining after they hit 30.
Toe Nash said:
Your example proves the opposite point I think. Loria raised the payroll as a cynical move to get the new stadium given to him, then disassembled it once it was mission accomplished.
It depends how onerous it turned out to be. There are probably teams who would sign that contract with him right now were he a FA. Ergo, there are teams that would trade for him if that Marlins wanted to be rid of it. Obviously that changes if his production craters or salaries collapse.Winger 03 said:
Any team who wants to trade for him if he isn't signed is only going to give up the pieces it would take if they reasonably think they can sign him long-term. Those are the rich teams who plan to compete. So, the fact that he has gone ahead and signed that contract doesn't really do anything beyond lock in his price and term.
If salaries continue to inflate, in a few years his 12/$320 deal may be an 8-year deal for a market-rate or even less AAV, which seems a lot more palatable.
Sort of like Hamels on a grander scale -- when he was signed it didn't seem like a good contract, but now the AAV is basically in line or lower than the FA market and he only has 4 years left on it.
All of that may be true, but the acquiring team would also have to give up significant assets for the right to take on that 8 year contract that may be at market rate in 4 years. This is why I don't want Hamels. If the question is whether I'd sign Heyward for 8/210 in 4 years, the answer is probably yes. Just like I'd sign Hamels today for 4/96. But would I give up 3 top prospects and take on either of those contracts? No thanks.
Except that not only was their payroll after that trade higher than the Marlins' has ever been, but the total AAV in that trade would be the Marlins' second highest ever.Rudy Pemberton said:
For a club like the Marlins that will never approach the CBT threshold, AAV matters a lot less than NPV. Backloading some of that $300mm could push the real cost of the deal down significantly, while leaving open the possibility of avoiding those later commitments via trade.
I don't think the Marlins will agree to a full NTC. If Stanton's desire to live in Florida is a significant factor, allowing him to block trades to teams that don't train in FL might be an acceptable middle ground -- that would ensure he could live in FL for 5-6 months per year (depending on postseason), and to claim it as his residence for tax purposes. I can't see him walking away from an otherwise acceptable deal because he wants to spend an extra 90 days per year, mostly during the summer, in South Florida.
I don't think the Marlins will agree to a full NTC. If Stanton's desire to live in Florida is a significant factor, allowing him to block trades to teams that don't train in FL might be an acceptable middle ground -- that would ensure he could live in FL for 5-6 months per year (depending on postseason), and to claim it as his residence for tax purposes. I can't see him walking away from an otherwise acceptable deal because he wants to spend an extra 90 days per year, mostly during the summer, in South Florida.
10 years on any player is crazy. Going 13 is absolutely insane. I understand that Stanton has a ton of talent and potential, but tying yourself to one guy for that long just doesn't make sense. I can't see how Stanton can possibly turn it down. Winning is obviously nice, but being set for life (and future generations) while living it up in Miami is a nice consolation.
If he gets a NTC and an opt out, and the largest contract in history that's one hell of a combination. If a NTC and an opt out are sticking points those aren't small.
No chance of competing? They've got a pretty strong young rotation and one of the best outfields in baseball. If they could add a decent infielder or two and get some good luck on Jose Fernandez they absolutely could compete in 2015.foulkehampshire said:
Well, you have to admit they do not have a good track record - have been in the NL East for 22 years and have never finished first in the Division, and have not been to the postseason in 11 years, longer than the proposed contract. Yes, they won World Series in the only two years they have been, but I don't think you can really call them a franchise with a "commitment to excellence".
And again, would you want to play 81 times a year in front of 14,000 fans.....
And again, would you want to play 81 times a year in front of 14,000 fans.....
This is the ultimate example of whether money or non-monetary factors are more important to a player. Stanton has made about $8m in his career so far, and unless he gets hit by a bus in the next few months he'll more than double that in 2015. Obviously $300m puts him in a different stratosphere than something like $20m, but it's not like he'd be broke. So if hates Miami and/or the team, maybe he risks it for the next two years and goes where he wants. In the meantime he could take out a massive insurance policy to mitigate any career-ending injury.
I'm not sure there's a word in the English language strong enough to describe the lunacy that is that contract. Holy shit. That said, hopefully it's a sign that Loria is ready to spend again, and that the Marlins will build on the solid foundation they have to be a contender for a few years. Maybe he's banking on Stanton opting out after year 3 or 4 or whenever the clause is available, but I can't imagine he'd offer that contact and then do nothing else to improve the team. It's good for the sport for superstar players to spend their prime years with the teams they came up with, rather than all jumping ship to (or being traded to) the big market clubs.