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Capuano acquisition looking smart. 
 
Don't let those legally blind guys play with knives.  On an unrelated note, I wish I was in Florida with Cheri.  Here in Virginia, the rain shortened UVA baseball doubleheader started with above 60 degree weather before the temperature dropped 15 degrees ending with steady rain in the 6th inning of game 2.  One foot of snow will fall today (more than up north) and thermometer readings will continue to drop until reaching single digit readings tonight.  That's almost a 60 degree swing in less than 36 hours.
 

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Researching command by pitchers (as a statistical predictive tool) I found this article:
 
http://espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball/story/_/page/mlbdk2k14_command/josh-johnson-homer-bailey-corey-kluber-pitched-better-their-2013-stats-reveal
 
While Melancon was disappointing with the Red Sox before his breakout season last year in Pittsburgh, one of the reasons that the Sox targeted Badenhop, Capuano and Mujica, bargains all, is explained by the command criteria analyzed in this article.  The hopeful descriptions of the long delayed comeback for Grady Sizemore this spring (who combined with Bradley have the potential to exceed the premium priced productivity of Ellsbury) proves that Sox management knows what they are doing in terms of finding and acquiring undervalued assets.
 

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One of my friends from childhood's dad was the scout master of the local Boy Scouts troop.  He was leading a lecture about household safety and was making a point about the safe ways to get rid of household appliances (take the doors off a fridge so no kid gets trapped inside, etc.).  He was talking about cutting the power cords off old appliance so they don't tangle and did a demonstration with an old extension cord and a folding knife.  He made the critical error on cutting toward his body instead of away from it and when the knife cut through the cord, his momentum carried toward himself and he plunged the knife directly into his groin.  Turned into a lesson on first aid.
 
This made me think of that.
 

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Not that we needed more proof, but once again - you can never have too much pitching.
 
And fwiw, the bit about him nearly cutting through the finger and then deciding it'd heal up on its own suggests poor judgment to me (though the state-of-birth/residence adjustment coefficient might bring him more in line with the model).
 

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According to Peter Abraham Matt Barnes has been shut down for a few days with shoulder tenderness.
 

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ToeKneeArmAss said:
 
Not that we needed more proof, but once again - you can never have too much pitching.
 
And fwiw, the bit about him nearly cutting through the finger and then deciding it'd heal up on its own suggests poor judgment to me (though the state-of-birth/residence adjustment coefficient might bring him more in line with the model).
 
This seems sorta like conjecture, as I don't think we have enough information to make that kind of an assessment. For example: did he rub dirt on it?
 

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Encourage everyone to checkout Rob Bradford's podcast today. He interviewed Gomes about how he's gone about playing the wall. He talks about how last year he decided to try to turn playing the wall into a home field advantage for him and how he spent significant time practicing catching the ball off the wall directly, rather than playing the carom. He also mentioned he learned that the ball can be expected to bounce different ways based on pitcher handedness and batter handedness. Pretty cool.
 

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Laser Show said:
Encourage everyone to checkout Rob Bradford's podcast today. He interviewed Gomes about how he's gone about playing the wall. He talks about how last year he decided to try to turn playing the wall into a home field advantage for him and how he spent significant time practicing catching the ball off the wall directly, rather than playing the carom. He also mentioned he learned that the ball can be expected to bounce different ways based on pitcher handedness and batter handedness. Pretty cool.
That's exactly what he did in the game on Sunday .. High fly ball / wall scraper .. He was about 3 feet from the wall when it hit and he caught it in the fly .. Preventing a guy on 2nd from scoring.
 

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That's exactly what he did in the game on Sunday .. High fly ball / wall scraper .. He was about 3 feet from the wall when it hit and he caught it in the fly .. Preventing a guy on 2nd from scoring.
He mentioned that he did it a bunch at the end of last year. I do remember seeing it a couple times, just never realized it was something he was working on.
 

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ToeKneeArmAss said:
And fwiw, the bit about him nearly cutting through the finger and then deciding it'd heal up on its own suggests poor judgment to me (though the state-of-birth/residence adjustment coefficient might bring him more in line with the model).
 
He explained to the press yesterday that his wife & kids were visiting from Alabama, but it was their last day in Florida before heading home. He'd promised to take his 5-year-old kid fishing and didn't want to disappoint him, so he just wrapped it up as best he could like the man he is and followed through on his commitment.
 
Yes, it was poor judgment, and if this had been his pitching hand he'd be getting raked over the coals by the likes of Shank and on Boston sports talk radio. But every kid on the planet deserves a dad like Jake Peavy.
 

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Injury roundup via Twitter:
 
* Edes: Matt Barnes shut down indefinitely due to shoulder inflammation. (Farrell: "We're being overly cautious.'')
 
* Lauber: David Ross shut down until Friday due to "inflammation of a tendon in his right foot."
 
* BriMac: Shane Victorino will take BP today after being shut down for a week due to core strength concerns:
 
 - - - From Scott Lauber's report last week:

 
 
"I want to be clear that his first two days of work, they were very good coming in," Farrell said. "But then we saw some needs, and we're addressing those right now. He continues to throw. We're doing some running. We're just addressing the overall core strength."
 
To be even clearer, Farrell said Victorino reported to camp in good shape, even though he was unable to have a normal offseason after undergoing surgery on his right thumb in November. But after a season in which he missed time with a variety of nagging injuries, including back and hamstring problems, the Red Sox want to take measures to avoid a repeat.
 
Although there isn't a concrete timetable for when Victorino may begin playing in Grapefruit League games, Farrell remains confident of where he will be on March 31.
 
"There's no reason to think he's not going to be ready for Opening Day," Farrell said. "That's not in our concern right now. He's going to be out there when he's first ready. We know this from Shane: He's going to want to get out there before we might want to put him in a game."
 
* BriMac: Jake "Captain Quint" Peavy will play long toss today and will throw a bullpen tomorrow to test his lacerated finger, but "he won't wear a glove on his injured left hand." I can only assume (and hope) it's because the bandage prevents him from wearing a glove, and that someone else will be catching return throws for him. Otherwise, I have no earthly idea what can possibly be gained with that strategy.
 

 
 

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The explanation above makes some sense but still, it seems pretty drastic to shut Victorino down due to "core strength issues" and doesn't jibe all that well with the notion that he came into camp in top shape. Also if AJP and David Ross are both hurt, who is next in line?
 

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NomarRS05 said:
The explanation above makes some sense but still, it seems pretty drastic to shut Victorino down due to "core strength issues" and doesn't jibe all that well with the notion that he came into camp in top shape. Also if AJP and David Ross are both hurt, who is next in line?
 
Maybe we get more Vazquez! Stay tuned for a bump in the defensive GIF thread...
 

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Shoulder inflammation on Barnes sounds like something to worry about.  While Barnes didn't have great luck with balls in play, he generated a good amount of swing and miss, and had an excellent K rate.  There's many prospect touts who think he would be the go to person should the Sox need a SP from the minor leagues this year.  Shoulders are still the boogeyman of pitching prospects.  I hope it's just inflammation and not a serious underlying issue.  As I recall, Pineda's issues started with inflammation as well. 
 

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NomarRS05 said:
 Also if AJP and David Ross are both hurt, who is next in line?
 
After all the angst in some quarters about signing AJP, it would be funny if he was Wally Pipp'd by Vasquez and never played any significant time in a Red Sox uniform.
 

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After all the angst in some quarters about signing AJP, it would be funny if he was Wally Pipp'd by Vasquez and never played any significant time in a Red Sox uniform.
 
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see this happen.
 

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Why would Barnes get the call before Workman and Webster?
If Workman's stabilizing the pen and Webster is still dealing with control issues.
 

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NomarRS05 said:
The explanation above makes some sense but still, it seems pretty drastic to shut Victorino down due to "core strength issues" and doesn't jibe all that well with the notion that he came into camp in top shape. Also if AJP and David Ross are both hurt, who is next in line?
 
I'm going the opposite direction with this, seeing a medical staff that is more thorough and incisive in their assessments and much better communication with the players as to what might actually be hurting or just not up to snuff.
 
Another box checked on the "Shit The New Regime Does Right That the Old Regime Did Wrong" list if you ask me. 
 

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I'm going the opposite direction with this, seeing a medical staff that is more thorough and incisive in their assessments and much better communication with the players as to what might actually be hurting or just not up to snuff.
 
Another box checked on the "Shit The New Regime Does Right That the Old Regime Did Wrong" list if you ask me. 
See I put this in the none of us know anything about how badly injured a player is box.
 

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See I put this in the none of us know anything about how badly injured a player is box.
 
I see any box worth discussing as existing within that box in the first place.
 

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These early spring games are meaningless.  It looks like the real AAA lineup for the Red Sox played the actual ML AAA lineup of the Marlins to a scoreless tie.
 

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The Sox signed all the pre-arb guys this week. Doubront, Nava, and Middlebrooks received $586k, $556k and $540k respectively. Workman received $518k and Xander received $517k. Doubront, Nava, and Middlebrooks have almost two years of service time why are they not making more? Is this part of the new CBA?
 

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I like the sound of the ball flying off the bat of Sox ml OF Bryce Brentz. It was probably a lucky guess, but I heard a hit coming off the bat when Brentz hit a ground ball past the second baseman and into right field for a op-f single. Looks like Brentz has some ML ability.
 

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ShaneTrot said:
The Sox signed all the pre-arb guys this week. Doubront, Nava, and Middlebrooks received $586k, $556k and $540k respectively. Workman received $518k and Xander received $517k. Doubront, Nava, and Middlebrooks have almost two years of service time why are they not making more? Is this part of the new CBA?
 
I don't think it's anything new.  Looking back through 2009, no pre-arbs have been re-signed for as much as $600K, except Tazawa who's salary was still less than he was making on his amateur free agent deal.  
 
The club can pretty much do what they want regarding pre-arb contracts as long as they're at least the minimum.  
 

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I don't think it's anything new.  Looking back through 2009, no pre-arbs have been re-signed for as much as $600K, except Tazawa who's salary was still less than he was making on his amateur free agent deal.  
 
The club can pretty much do what they want regarding pre-arb contracts as long as they're at least the minimum.  
 
Yeah, the record for a pre-arb contract is the $1 million the Angels agreed to pay Mike Trout this year. Clubs don't have to give these guys more than the league minimum, but sometimes they throw the players a bone to keep them happy (like we did with Ellsbury).
 

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Yeah, the record for a pre-arb contract is the $1 million the Angels agreed to pay Mike Trout this year. Clubs don't have to give these guys more than the league minimum, but sometimes they throw the players a bone to keep them happy (like we did with Ellsbury).
 
And Clemens. (Right after the sun rose and set. And lunch.)
 

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I like the sound of the ball flying off the bat of Sox ml OF Bryce Brentz. It was probably a lucky guess, but I heard a hit coming off the bat when Brentz hit a ground ball past the second baseman and into right field for a op-f single. Looks like Brentz has some ML ability.
 
I've watched yesterday's home run about a hundred times trying to figure out who his swing reminds me of but it just isn't clicking. It's in the videos section here if anyone has a better idea.
 

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I can only visualize late-career Dewey, but it doesn't track as a comparison for me.  Although the basic stance and bat-wiggle are completely different, the actual power swing reminds me a little of Gary Sheffield.  
 

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I've watched yesterday's home run about a hundred times trying to figure out who his swing reminds me of but it just isn't clicking. It's in the videos section here if anyone has a better idea.
 
Not sure if that linked worked for anyone else but it took me to a Gameday page. This appears to be the direct link to the HR highlight. 
 

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The thing that gets me about how Brentz hit that out, it was all upper body. There's virtually no leg movement and no kick. 
 

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The thing that gets me about how Brentz hit that out, it was all upper body. There's virtually no leg movement and no kick. 
that was Jeff Bagwell's M.O., right?
 

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Was at the minor league workouts this morning. Two things of note were that Mookie Betts was at 3B and Sean Coyle, I think, had catchers gear on.

And I got my picture taken with Dwight Evans.
 

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I see maybe a little Vlad Guerrero in the hand position and not-quite-Pujols/Nomar mini-step.  No one can actually look like him, though. Possibly Edgar Renteria with the closed/quiet front leg on a pull hit?  Just spitballin'.
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDoTJ7Y6TyM
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Td0iwXLHg8
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
 
Bagwell had that crazy wide stance though.
 
His toe tap reminds me of someone else.  Trying to come up with it.  Bagwell was a wide stance and then a step, but a step back narrower (still allowing the timing and weight transfer of a stride, but without his weight going forward).  Molitor had the no stride heel stomp, but almost always a two handed finish, and without the pre-swing tap timing, but instead just a heel down on the actual swing.
 

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Jed Zeppelin said:
I've watched yesterday's home run about a hundred times trying to figure out who his swing reminds me of but it just isn't clicking. It's in the videos section here if anyone has a better idea.
I have no idea either who he swings like, so I'm just going to refer to Brentz as, "Hammer."
 

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The thing that gets me about how Brentz hit that out, it was all upper body. There's virtually no leg movement and no kick. 
 
No. Look again. Leg kicks and toe taps be damned: they don't do anything for most hitters. The thing about power is it's all in the hips. Look at the front hip track the ball; look at the back hip fire into it and drive through it -- and look how balanced he is throughout the swing, bringing his hands to and through the ball but keeping the swing connected so that his upper half does not leave the lower half. That's textbook right there. 
 

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No. Look again. Leg kicks and toe taps be damned: they don't do anything for most hitters. The thing about power is it's all in the hips. Look at the front hip track the ball; look at the back hip fire into it and drive through it -- and look how balanced he is throughout the swing, bringing his hands to and through the ball but keeping the swing connected so that his upper half does not leave the lower half. That's textbook right there. 
 
I agree, Brentz is generating a ton of torque from his lower half in that swing. I've been impressed with him this spring, the ball seems to make a special noise when it comes off his bat. His plate discipline may limit his ability to be a starter for a first division team like us, but I think he has a future in the majors.
 

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No. Look again. Leg kicks and toe taps be damned: they don't do anything for most hitters. The thing about power is it's all in the hips. Look at the front hip track the ball; look at the back hip fire into it and drive through it -- and look how balanced he is throughout the swing, bringing his hands to and through the ball but keeping the swing connected so that his upper half does not leave the lower half. That's textbook right there. 
 
I had to watch it like 20 more times, but you're right I see it now. At first glance his hips seem to pivot with no forward motion but it's so slight and so fast you really have to be looking for it. It's actually somewhat similar to WMB's swing.
 

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This might not be the best place to put this, but there's a nice article in today's nyt about a Sox fan taking his two nephews to Spring Training.
 
 
Last Tuesday morning at JetBlue Park in Fort Myers, Fla., David Ortiz, the Red Sox designated hitter, finished chatting with a few Tampa Bay Rays and lumbered over to a tour group of fans watching batting practice from behind the third-base line.

Ortiz is the longest-serving and unquestionably the most beloved current player among Red Sox fans, including my nephew Leo, 10, who practically dislocated his shoulder holding out a paper for him to sign, and then did a double fist pump when Big Papi came to him first. Ortiz then amiably moved down the line, signing for members of our stadium tour, which cost $10 for children and $20 for adults regressing to childhood.

Leo lives in Silver Spring, Md., but is a Red Sox fan like his uncle, and the encounter with Ortiz left him literally trembling with excitement.
There is no question that the best deal of the trip was for the Red Sox stadium tour, which I booked by calling the stadium (239-334-4700). Though on nongame days the tour is an actual tour, on game days it’s more a ticket onto the field (in a cordoned-off area near the home dugout) to watch drills and batting practice.

“Best 20 clams I’ve ever spent,” my brother said just 30 minutes in, as we stood on the field watching a slow-paced drill in which the players seemed to be practicing base running on a 3-2 count, though it looked more like base jogging. “What is this, they’re just lollygagging around?” Jeremy complained. But we were both thrilled to see legends from our childhoods, Dwight Evans and Carl Yastrzemski, shooting the breeze with active players.

Our tour guide shared advice on how to get the players to come over — make eye contact and call them by name — but I couldn’t imagine it would work, especially considering the tour had cost just one one-millionth of the top players’ salaries.

But it worked. In fact, it was a bonanza. Grady had brought along a “My Name Is Grady” T-shirt in the slim hopes of getting new Red Sox Grady Sizemore to sign; he did. Superstars Mike Napoli and Dustin Pedroia took a break from their lollygagging (and the more strenuous batting practice) to come by. Even the manager, John Farrell — who one would assume had better things to do — came over, signed Leo’s Red Sox shirt and went over to charm 94 year-old Kayo Mikoloski, down from Worcester, Mass., on a birthday trip.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/travel/scoring-a-baseball-bargain-at-spring-training.html?src=dayp
 

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So I learned through a friend on Facebook that they were announcing balls and strikes at the game yesterday. Turns out it's a trial thing which sounds horrific.
 
 
Here is what Dr. Charles Steinberg, the purveyor of the innovation, had to say prior to the Red Sox game against the Marlins:
“It’s something we vigorously debated for more than a year in the offices of Boston. And rather than debate it in the abstract, we’re going to use the spring training testing ground to see if there’s any traction. The idea being that everything about a baseball game, particularly in recent years, seems to focus on the count, the difference between 2-0 and hitting 1-2, and in a way that imposed gently, brings people closer to the game. The announcer will update the count after each pitch.”