SportsCenter & OTL Bringing Back Spygate (live, 9AM)

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djbayko said:
With today's ubiquitous HD camera tech, I doubt it's a non-issue.

I think he was pointing out the lunacy of the NFL's policies when it seems that in every other sport on Earth, the onus is on each individual team to keep their secrets secret.
Exactly. Thank you
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
Zolak also said earlier Reiss is pissed off at ESPN and has been reprimanded twice for what he's written. I'm guessing that may be strike 3?
This is so messed up. We need Reiss to leave and drag schefter with them, then grant a tell-all to all ESPN competitors
 

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There are no genuine ESPN competitors, and that is a problem.
 

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Zolak also said earlier Reiss is pissed off at ESPN and has been reprimanded twice for what he's written. I'm guessing that may be strike 3?
The idea of Reiss being reprimanded for a single think he's ever written is kind of remarkable.  He's just factual and kind of dull.  
 

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The idea of Reiss being reprimanded for a single think he's ever written is kind of remarkable.  He's just factual and kind of dull.  
 
That's the whole point. Out of everyone over there with their shitty reporting (aka Mort) they come down on Reiss? I'll take factual and "kind of dull" vs. the rest of the clowns they have running around there (not named Schefter)
 

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That's the whole point. Out of everyone over there with their shitty reporting (aka Mort) they come down on Reiss? I'll take factual and "kind of dull" vs. the rest of the clowns they have running around there (not named Schefter)
I agree I'm just kind of dumbstruck.  
 

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I wonder if the reprimands have been for Reiss sounding off when his byline is used without his permission.  Maybe ESPN's view is that's supposed to stay in house.
 
I'm sure that stuff happens all the time, and we don't hear about it, but Reiss thinks it's damaging enough to his reputation -- since he actually has one -- that he's called out his bosses a couple of times on it.
 

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Shelterdog said:
The idea of Reiss being reprimanded for a single think he's ever written is kind of remarkable.  He's just factual and kind of dull.  
Factual and dull don't exactly play at ESPN. Baseless and sensationalistic perhaps. It's not too hard to conceive of ESPN reprimanding someone if there's a chance the content of their articles would undermine much of the content being manufactured elsewhere at the network, or not follow the party line of their close partner, their relationship with whom probably drives a lot of their bottom line.

The network and the NFL probably tolerate Bruschi and some other lower-profile analysts taking a contrarian view as it at least can make them look less than entirely biased, but nothing higher profile is probably going to get through unnoticed.
 

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I heard the reporter who "broke" this "story" on the radio this morning, and I still fail to see what is newsworthy.  The Patriots were already punished - heavily - for the videotaping back in 2007.  The story now appears to be that Goodell allowed several jealous and bitter owners to push him into using the minor equipment violation from the AFCCG as a way to impose additional punishment on the Patriots because those owners suspected (but couldn't - and still can't - prove) that the 2007 violations were more significant than reported.
 
In short, this is another story about how screwed up the NFL is, not anything that is relevant to the Patriots in 2015.  Any attempt to spin it as a new story about Patriots' malfeasance is sheer nonsense.
You can bet your ass that Goodell and Pash et al. wouldn't be pushing the bitter vindictive owners story from Park Ave if Berman had ruled for them.

This story was obviously researched and written to be deep background for the Hail Goodell piece they had planned.
Seems to me Roger is trying to spin his most recent expensive failure as a demonstration of loyalty to the owners whose hot breath he can feel on the back of his fleshy neck.

The rehashing of Spygate also serves the purpose of giving the most voracious of them some red meat

Goodell is using the Patriots' sins to save his sorry ass.
 

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Today's San Diego Union-Tribune:
 
(Headline) "Did cheating Pats cost Chargers titles, new stadium?"
 
"An excellent, well-researched report that erupted Tuesday morning on ESPN.com claims that, from 2000 to 2007, the Patriots, under coach Bill Belichick, videotaped the signals of opposing coaches in 40 games and practices and walkthroughs..."
 
It goes on to say that the Patriots may have cheated when they beat the Chargers in the 2007 AFC divisional playoff game.
 
"Did the Patriots’ cheat? We’ll probably never know. Possible? Absolutely. You have to be incredibly naïve or blinded by the Patriots’ light to believe they didn’t."
 
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/sep/09/patriots-cheating-cost-chargers/
 
Wow.. Just... Wow.
 
Edit:  typo
 

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norm from cheers said:
Today's San Diego Union-Tribune:
 
(Headline) "Did cheating Pats cost Chargers titles, new stadium?"
 
"An excellent, well-researched report that erupted Tuesday morning on ESPN.com claims that, from 2000 to 2007, the Patriots, under coach Bill Belichick, videotaped the signals of opposing coaches in 40 games and practices and walkthroughs..."
 
It goes on to say that the Patriots may have cheated when they beat the Chargers in the 2007 AFC divisional playoff game.
 
"Did the Patriots’ cheat? We’ll probably never know. Possible? Absolutely. You have to be incredibly naïve or blinded by the Patriots’ light to believe they didn’t."
 
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/sep/09/patriots-cheating-cost-chargers/
 
Wow.. Just... Wow.
 
Edit:  typo
Bay area station had a similar discussion.
 
But bemoaning whether the Raiders would have spiraled if only they hadn't lost the tuck rule game to the Pats (and who knows what cheating was going on in that game).
 
Also went into a whole other alternate universe NFL, where Kurt Warner career may have gone differently if he had one the 2nd super bowl, et al.
 
It's pretty comical at this point.
 

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I like to refer to is as "Mama's Special Snowflake" culture. It's sad to see the manliest of sports go cannonballing into it while the other three sports don't bother.
 

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norm from cheers said:
Today's San Diego Union-Tribune:
 
(Headline) "Did cheating Pats cost Chargers titles, new stadium?"
 
"An excellent, well-researched report that erupted Tuesday morning on ESPN.com claims that, from 2000 to 2007, the Patriots, under coach Bill Belichick, videotaped the signals of opposing coaches in 40 games and practices and walkthroughs..."
 
It goes on to say that the Patriots may have cheated when they beat the Chargers in the 2007 AFC divisional playoff game.
 
"Did the Patriots’ cheat? We’ll probably never know. Possible? Absolutely. You have to be incredibly naïve or blinded by the Patriots’ light to believe they didn’t."
 
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/sep/09/patriots-cheating-cost-chargers/
 
Wow.. Just... Wow.
 
Edit:  typo
Troy Brown stripping the ball for the CB after an interception is totally cheating. How did we all miss this!
 
That game might be one of the most under appreciated Pats playoff wins of this entire run.
 

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Gee just beaten to the tuck rule reference.
How about the snowplow game.
Those Patriots have been cheating since forever!
 

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edmunddantes said:
Bay area station had a similar discussion.
 
But bemoaning whether the Raiders would have spiraled if only they hadn't lost the tuck rule game to the Pats (and who knows what cheating was going on in that game).
 
Also went into a whole other alternate universe NFL, where Kurt Warner career may have gone differently if he had one the 2nd super bowl, et al.
 
It's pretty comical at this point.
I guess they forgot the Raiders won the AFC the next year.
 

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I guess they forgot the Raiders won the AFC the next year.
That was the funny part. They even said "even though they went to the Super Bowl", but the Super Bowl loss was also somehow attributable to the issues of the tuck rule game and the long slow spiral of mediocrity.
 
Really bizarre, and the logic of it all was breathtaking in its audacity.
 

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bsj said:
 
Just the fact that the NFL decided it made more sense to include Carson Palmer than its defending Super Bowl champion on this tweet. 
Yes, this was the story of the football world a couple days ago. I was wondering if there was something new.

You must have had a fun holiday weekend, huh? :)
 

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Just the fact that the NFL decided it made more sense to include Carson Palmer than its defending Super Bowl champion on this tweet. 
Brady needs one more ring to tie the lot of them.
 

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So football is supposed to be the "toughest" sport, yet it seems every single coach who has lost in the past 15 years now feels they were cheated and are acting like little children. It's pretty sad. The media isn't helping but they are just trolling for clicks and calling out the Cheatriots is the way to get those clicks. Still pretty horrendous.
 

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So football is supposed to be the "toughest" sport, yet it seems every single coach who has lost in the past 15 years now feels they were cheated and are acting like little children. It's pretty sad. The media isn't helping but they are just trolling for clicks and calling out the Cheatriots is the way to get those clicks. Still pretty horrendous.
 
Yeah, this is bizarre, especially given the number of hard ass old school coaches there are out there.  I never had a coach that let me make excuses for poor performance or losing and I can't imagine how these leaders of men think it effects their players to see them complain and explain like this.  John Woodens and Vince L's they are not.
 

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I love how this alternate timeline has been created by the media in which the futures of organizations and individuals would have played out completely different had it not been for that one loss to New England. Oakland and San Diego get new stadiums approved, mediocre players and coaches go on to have Hall of Fame careers, baseball is still in Montreal.
 

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johnmd20 said:
So football is supposed to be the "toughest" sport, yet it seems every single coach who has lost in the past 15 years now feels they were cheated and are acting like little children. It's pretty sad. The media isn't helping but they are just trolling for clicks and calling out the Cheatriots is the way to get those clicks. Still pretty horrendous.
What's funny with this is Belichick is entirely the opposite. He heaps praise upon those who beat him and has routinely always done so. This team both wins and loses the way you'd want to teach your kids, but because of this a dismissed memo regarding the rules 8 years ago, which lead entirely to the ballghazi nonsense, they'll be forever branded as the greatest cheaters in their era. An era that was littered with performance enhancing substances. We all know better, but the masses surely don't. 
 
The NFL really brings out the worst in everyone. 
 

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SemperFidelisSox said:
I love how this alternate timeline has been created by the media in which the futures of organizations and individuals would have played out completely different had it not been for that one loss to New England. Oakland and San Diego get new stadiums approved, mediocre players and coaches go on to have Hall of Fame careers, baseball is still in Montreal.
I am fairly certain that Belichick was the man that drove the Dodgers out of Brooklyn.
 

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SemperFidelisSox said:
I love how this alternate timeline has been created by the media in which the futures of organizations and individuals would have played out completely different had it not been for that one loss to New England. Oakland and San Diego get new stadiums approved, mediocre players and coaches go on to have Hall of Fame careers, baseball is still in Montreal.
 
Obama loses to McCain, Marty disappears completely from his family photo, Hae kills Adnan, Katrina hits Vancouver and on and on.
 

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I mean, if you want to get technical about it the memo stated that all videotaping is illegal.  Period.  It read " "Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."
 
So, "video taping of any type...is prohibited...at any...location accessible to club staff members during a game".  Not all passes are created equal, but there are club officials with all-access passes, and they can go anywhere, including into the stands.
 
One of the reasons that I've given Belichick a lot of deference on this is because the memo misquoted the rule at the time. The actual rule was "No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game.” Coming from a b/r article, I've always understood the field distinction to be important because it is defined elsewhere as being the area between the sidelines. It would serve to prohibit cameras actually placed on players themselves. The rule also doesn't have that final sentence about locations available to club staff members.
 
Since the rules can't be changed with just a memo I've always seen it as more of Belichick reading it, seeing that it didn't quote the rule correctly (or knowing the rule and glossing over the differences in the memo) and disregarding it. In hindsight you obviously follow-up and get an answer as to what is going on, but it's not something you expect to lose a first round pick over.
 

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If the Patriots lose a game, doesn't that basically guaranty the victorious team must have cheated? That would make for one heck of a BB press conference question.
 
Especially on the road. "Bill, did you leave your playbook just lying around?"
 

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To the extent that Belichick is at all aware of the tempest swirling about, I hope he has a wry enough sense of humor to see all of this for the compliment it really is.
 
Goodness.
 
This will really be a hoot when we start to hear about how, in fact, the Pats got screwed, just screwed by that cheating Belichick when they lost that playoff game to the Browns in 94.
 
Drew Bledsoe never threw crazy interceptions under pressure!