SportsCenter & OTL Bringing Back Spygate (live, 9AM)
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RedOctober3829 said:
Pretty much sums up the difference between Belichick and most other coaches. He expects problems, plans for them, and gets his team ready to deal with them. Tomlin pitches a fit after the game.
It didnt need to have legs. It simply went from being reported to being a stone cold fact virtually instantaneously.dcmissle said:
I guess Florio is fine with Michael David Smith lighting fire to his websites reputation.
You'll see that MDS is often left to most of these conspiracy bylines while Florio will often come in later with his rational version. This was especially true in the early days of deflategate.
Then as tide shifted Florio's takedowns showed up more and more earlier in the day.
You'll see that MDS is often left to most of these conspiracy bylines while Florio will often come in later with his rational version. This was especially true in the early days of deflategate.
Then as tide shifted Florio's takedowns showed up more and more earlier in the day.
Steelers security personnel are looking to interview this guy, who was spotted snooping around the MIT pinch lab earlier in the week:
I don't think this needs to turn into a Ken Starr investigation for it to be a distraction. It's interesting to me that Belichick is commenting on this. First, it demonstrates to me that he feels he needs to stand up for his guys -- that as much as he can tell them to "tune out the noise" and that "it's a players game," that he understands things like this can impact the players and their ability to focus. Secondly, it suggests to me that he thinks this is getting out of hand and that as much as he would prefer to shut up and be "on to Buffalo," he has a responsibility as the main guy in charge to be accountable for this. Third, my guess is that he is trying to get ahead of this distraction as early as possible and prepare the guys for what will likely be a season full of this stuff.dcmissle said:
The "we don't make excuses" stuff is gold, BTW -- and the best medicine for this to his players.
It went something like this in the first quarter.
Haley: Let's run Williams wide or throw to Brown.
Ben: What? I can't hear you! I'm going to call the double pass instead.
Haley: Let's run Williams wide or throw to Brown.
Ben: What? I can't hear you! I'm going to call the double pass instead.
What does this mean? Are they pushing back against his public persona of being in Kraft's pocket...DrewDawg said:
RGREELEY33 said:
"No, he literally makes jams. We swear."
- PashReportContext.com, March 2016
“@AmyTrask: There are League policies which prohibit team officials from publicly criticizing other teams and the League - teams are periodically (1/2)”
“@AmyTrask: (2/2) reminded of these policies - in the wake of the Pittsburgh criticism, teams will again be reminded not to violate those policies.”
“@AmyTrask: We once publicly accused a team of tampering and we got called into the principals office.”
“@AmyTrask: (2/2) reminded of these policies - in the wake of the Pittsburgh criticism, teams will again be reminded not to violate those policies.”
“@AmyTrask: We once publicly accused a team of tampering and we got called into the principals office.”
What game? Filing a complaint regarding equipment problems that are the responsibility of the other team and the refusal to shut down communications altogether seems like a competition matter, at least one that allows for review. Moreover, one complaint seems aimed directly at the procedures and policies of the NFL and not the Patriots (refusal to shut down both sets of communications), while the other is directed at the organization (operation of communications). Why should the Steelers or any other franchise care about who piled on the Pats before.qAverage Reds said:
This is all you need to know what separates the Belichicks and Bryants and Walshes from mediocre coaches like Tomlin (most people outside of Pittsburgh realize Tomlin is not a great coach, right? Classic example of being born on third):jimbobim said:
Per Mark Daniels projo. from BB
"First of all, I would say I think our program here is built on competition and trying to improve every day. It’s not built on excuses.”
Huh. So coms going don't isn't new and as such the Patriots have contingencies in place. What a novel concept.
No one can think of anything better because everyone is a lazy hackBleedred said:
This is why it will be forever Ballghazi in my mind.
I honestly think the biggest revelation coming from Ballghazi and things like last night's defensive line shift that people are crying foul about is how little the general public, and even some sports media, actually know about how professional football is played.
It seems like the people whining the most about these types of things are people who literally couldn't name one defensive formation if their life depended on it. It's startling just how little about football so many "football fans" seem to actually know.
It's like we're going through this massive, country-wide learning curve right now.
It seems like the people whining the most about these types of things are people who literally couldn't name one defensive formation if their life depended on it. It's startling just how little about football so many "football fans" seem to actually know.
It's like we're going through this massive, country-wide learning curve right now.
cshea said:
Now that would be some world class cheating. Disable your own comms so both teams have to lose theirs, knowing you are much better prepared for that contingency than the other team.
Hmm...
Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
Oh, I thought about it. And I know we like to assume that these guys are all morons, but they're not. They're smart people who made inexplicable mistakes driven by their titanic arrogance.
At some point, they have to realize that continuing down this path is a road to ruin. And so they will put a stop to it.
I'm gonna get slammed for this, but eh.MillarTime said:
That's what happens after a team/person is caught breaking the rules. The Pats had Spygate, which opens any future cases of deception. It's no different than a MLB player who was caught taking PEDs and comes back from the dead to destroy pitching (IE, Nelson Cruz or Arod). It's never going to change.
The language I read cites the home team is responsible for setting up communications, but I like your editorial correction even better. Then the Steelers complaint is entirely against the NFL. So explain the angst here against the Steelers, and sell me on the idea the idea that the Pats wouldn't do the same thing.Red(s)HawksFan said:
Average Reds said:
Seems like it's too late. You've got media and fans all across the country, both hardcore and casual, questioning whether results on the field -- including championships -- were fairly won. That's not good for a sports league and it's going to be pretty hard to unring that bell.
I think we have our 2015 Rallying Cry and title of the next Super Bowl video. 2015 New England Patriots 'Not Build On Excuses'
Per Mark Daniels projo. from BB
Re: "we ended up hard-wiring a couple of our headsets..."NickEsasky said:
I thought I saw Belichick with a wire stripper and some twisted pair wire on a camera glimpse of the sideline.
Fred in Lynn said:
It's a game because - as Tomlin himself admitted - this happens across the league and we never hear anything about it. The only reason we're hearing about it now is because of the NFL-created circus that went on for the last 8 months.
We know there is nothing to the allegations because the bolded part of your post is simply incorrect - the league is the supplier of the equipment and it's their responsibility. Further, it defies belief that the Pats would do anything improper at this game, or that the NFL would allow the Pats to have the chance by not closely monitoring situations like this.
The danger comes if the Steelers push this too far. Since we know there's nothing to it, an "investigation" only makes all participants look even more foolish than they do now. And that's the best case scenario. The worst case is that it prompts an overreaction from the Pats (or the league office in reaction to the Pats) and then things spiral out of control.
It's a stupid, destructive game and Tomlin is a fool for playing it, for all of the reason that have been pointed out in this very thread.
canderson said:
The "Because Spygate then X happened" excuse is bullshit.
This site has been referenced before should be required reading for all.
http://yourteamcheats.com/
The Pats success is the reason for this hysteria and not spygate. Every team in the league has had a spygate or worse and none of this crap occurs when there is an issue involving the 31 other teams.
Should we start a "Gate" pool, and try to predict the insane tags that will be placed on the pats each week through the season? Denver will defiantly be gravitygate, as the Pats will have found a way to make the ball fly further in Denver and be investigated for anti-gravitational pull devices.
Wish I was kidding...
Wish I was kidding...
Been listening to NFL network and ESPN. The talking heads at ESPN acknowledged that the Steelers made multiple mistakes. Not covering Gronk, the failed trick play and that the headsets malfunction had no bearing on Pittsburgh losing. But then they go and talk about the headsets and how it must be the Patriots messing around with them because, well it's the Patriots and we all know they cheat. :barf:dcmissle said:
AND TOMLIN SPEAKS FROM THE HEART.[more barfing] I like how they completely ignore that the Patriots had issues, too. Also that other stadiums have this problem.
NFL network so far seems more level headed about it and do not seem to be saying the Pats did anything. And least up to an hour ago.
Silverdude2167 said:
Tomlin does have a history.
Valek123 said:
Didn't every Inspector Gadget episode end with him tracking down Dr. Claw after foiling one of his dastardly schemes only to have Claw barely escape every time? The Patriots are Dr. Claw.
I should've said it a bit more clearly, the perception they were caught cheating and destroyed tapes and crap leads to this. It's not right, but it's going to happen no matter what.PayrodsFirstClutchHit said:
Only if you can promise a BB press conference explaining Maxwell's Equations.Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
Chip Kelly just said in his career he has heard air traffic controllers and other stuff on his headsets. Thinks it has to do with all the different radio frequencies involved.
This is like claiming that the "lame stream media" is in the bag for Democrats after DirecTV conks out on some Republican debate in a swing state, when really it's just that there was a thunderstorm in Columbus, OH that particular day.
terrynever said:
But but but, it was the Patriots radio broadcast!! It must have been the Pats doing it! {ESPN}
People don't think.
I'm really starting to hate that BB has to address this bullshit over and over again. It's absolutely unfair.
Stu Nahan said:
Don't you remember the party line for that? They don't even need to cheat to win: it just shows how arrogant they are!