Sox sign Aroldis Chapman

[Cassvt2023]

I hope he blows his elbow in spring training. Barring that, I hope he single handedly blows every game he enters until he's released.

Every game at Fenway there are fans who are survivors (and loved ones of victims) of domestic abuse in the stands. They've been through enough and they don't deserve to feel triggered, or complicit or even conflicted just because this shithead has a wicked sinker. Get someone else.

I am asking this honestly because it is such a slippery slope and 3rd rail convo. Can we equate rooting for your favorite team because you get something for yourself out of it even though there are terrible people on that team to how someone chooses to vote? I ask because there are a lot of women who have very recently chosen to cast their votes for charged rapists, sexual harassers, under investigation for sex with minors, abusers, body shamers, mocking those with disabilities, the list goes on and on. I’m truly curious where others stand in this analogy.

 

[twoBshorty]

Jared Porter. He just broke his silence on it.

Two issues/people are being conflated. Jared Porter was fired from the Mets for being a pervert sending harassing and obscene texts to various women, including while he was with the Cubs. Zack Scott, his AGM, was indeed fired shortly after a DWI arrest but then got acquitted.

 

[nvalvo]

There was a tweet in the other thread of some radio producer saying he heard about a transaction people weren’t gonna like. LOL. I guess this is it. I don’t like it.

If I’m off base here, tell me to step off. I am not a dope and I don’t want to pretend to police a thread, but this is a main board thread full of half-remembered statements about pretty serious transgressions (moral or legal) various people may or may not have committed.

I think Aroldis Chapman’s missteps are pretty well documented, but there’s a post here that can be read to be implying that Edgar Renteria and Coco Crisp were accused of domestic violence. I’m not sure that was the intention, but it’s a plausible construction in context of a chain of replies that I don’t know if the poster followed back. That feels icky.

I think it would be a good idea to have links or some other substantial basis for that sort of claim, and just generally not shoot from the hip or post glibly about these kinds of issues. Not because it’s potentially defamatory (this is an internet message board, who cares); definitely not because I think a legal conviction should be the standard for deeming someone, morally, an abuser (the standard for legal punishments including imprisonment is, appropriately, much higher); but because these are actual human beings and we should take that seriously. We’re obviously not journalists, but those distinctions aren’t as firm as they used to be. We are writing about people on the internet.

I do think the question of what a person can do to live down a pretty grim act like those Chapman accepted responsibility for is a good one. I think a good start is not doing it again.

I’m pretty bummed out about this.

 

[patinorange]

The older I get the more I understand the split between sports figures to admire on the field and the fact that some of them are not good humans.
I can overlook dummies with homophobia, racism, weird political views, and general idiocy. They harm themselves and hurt other's feelings.
I have difficulty rooting for players with violence against women and physically harming other humans.
I draw the line there, I guess. The signing is disappointing. It won't stop me from rooting for the Sox. Just another disappointing off season from an organization I use to admire.

 

[TheDogMan]

It’s going to be hard to beat this signing.

I see what you did there.

 

[TheDogMan]

There was a tweet in the other thread of some radio producer saying he heard about a transaction people weren’t gonna like. LOL. I guess this is it. I don’t like it.

If I’m off base here, tell me to step off. I am not a dope and I don’t want to pretend to police a thread, but this is a main board thread full of half-remembered statements about pretty serious transgressions (moral or legal) various people may or may not have committed.

I think Aroldis Chapman’s missteps are pretty well documented, but there’s a post here that can be read to be implying that Edgar Renteria and Coco Crisp were accused of domestic violence. I’m not sure that was the intention, but it’s a plausible construction in context of a chain of replies that I don’t know if the poster followed back. That feels icky.

I think it would be a good idea to have links or some other substantial basis for that sort of claim, and just generally not shoot from the hip or post glibly about these kinds of issues. Not because it’s potentially defamatory (this is an internet message board, who cares); definitely not because I think a legal conviction should be the standard for deeming someone, morally, an abuser (the standard for legal punishments including imprisonment is, appropriately, much higher); but because these are actual human beings and we should take that seriously. We’re obviously not journalists, but those distinctions aren’t as firm as they used to be. We are writing about people on the internet.

I do think the question of what a person can do to live down a pretty grim act like those Chapman accepted responsibility for is a good one. I think a good start is not doing it again.

I’m pretty bummed out about this.

Geez, there were no better options for the Sox? I know this nation hands out second chances like they are gumdrops, that does not mean everybody needs to be a part of it. IMO men like he and Wander Franco, Ray Rice, etc. do not deserve it. I look at it this way, baseball views Pete Rose as persona non grata, but abuse your wife or another woman and you get a suspension and are welcomed back. I get the integrity of the game issue. I just think men who act in that manner, if proven guilty, need to have a lifetime ban as well.

 

[The Filthy One]

Geez, there were no better options for the Sox? I know this nation hands out second chances like they are gumdrops, that does not mean everybody needs to be a part of it. IMO men like he and Wander Franco, Ray Rice, etc. do not deserve it. I look at it this way, baseball views Pete Rose as persona non grata, but abuse your wife or another woman and you get a suspension and are welcomed back. I get the integrity of the game issue. I just think men who act in that manner, if proven guilty, need to have a lifetime ban as well.

Pete Rose is an odd choice to use here, given his alleged affair with an underaged girl.

 

[simplicio]

I am asking this honestly because it is such a slippery slope and 3rd rail convo. Can we equate rooting for your favorite team because you get something for yourself out of it even though there are terrible people on that team to how someone chooses to vote? I ask because there are a lot of women who have very recently chosen to cast their votes for charged rapists, sexual harassers, under investigation for sex with minors, abusers, body shamers, mocking those with disabilities, the list goes on and on. I’m truly curious where others stand in this analogy.

Everybody's free to make their own decisions and I'm sure there are fans who are DV victims that are unbothered by his signing for whatever reason. But they'd also be fine with some other reliever who doesn't make things harder for the victims who want to find joy in their baseball team and feel like the front office just spat in their face. And I'm siding with them over the absolute maximization of baseball wins.

I'm not sure a political analogy is particularly instructive, or appropriate for this forum.

 

[cornwalls@6]

Probably a craven way of looking at this, but does this FO ever do the calculus of likely on-field value VS likely negative blow-back of the singing? This one doesn't seem to pass that test. Why even open themselves up to the valid condemnation, for a guy who may still be decent, but seemingly no longer dominant? As for the signing itself, I'm torn. I'd rather not have someone with that in their past on the teams I root for. But I've long ago made peace with the idea that many of the entertainers whose work I enjoy(and that's all athletes are) are shitty people, or at least have been in their worst moments. It's all a matter of degree, recent history, etc. as to whether it's a deal-breaker or not.

 

[Hee Sox Choi]

Looks to me that he is still dominant (look at those expected stats):
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/aroldis-chapman-547973?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb

 

[NextBigThing8184]

I am asking this honestly because it is such a slippery slope and 3rd rail convo. Can we equate rooting for your favorite team because you get something for yourself out of it even though there are terrible people on that team to how someone chooses to vote? I ask because there are a lot of women who have very recently chosen to cast their votes for charged rapists, sexual harassers, under investigation for sex with minors, abusers, body shamers, mocking those with disabilities, the list goes on and on. I’m truly curious where others stand in this analogy.

people almost always look the other way when they get something good out of it.

“I can’t believe this company I support just hired a guy who beats women! Let me log onto my phone built by a company which employs slave and child labor and share my dismay”

sports teams get held to a wildly higher standard by consumers than other companies.

I’m in the minority I’m sure, but these guys are just employees of a team I support. They’re not idols, or heroes to me. I don’t condone what he did (or has been alleged to do) but it doesn’t affect my enjoyment of the on field product. Just like I have no issues watching the 2004 Patriots with Corey Dillon (etc)

I operate under the assumption that most (or a lot) of these guys have unsavory aspects to them. Same as the employees of most companies my dollars support directly or indirectly.

 

[Cassvt2023]

Everybody's free to make their own decisions and I'm sure there are fans who are DV victims that are unbothered by his signing for whatever reason. But they'd also be fine with some other reliever who doesn't make things harder for the victims who want to find joy in their baseball team and feel like the front office just spat in their face. And I'm siding with them over the absolute maximization of baseball wins.

I'm not sure a political analogy is particularly instructive, or appropriate for this forum.

That is exactly why I prefaced it the way I did. Many here have delved into some very personal issues since this signing was announced. Some are very thoughtful, some simply naive when you’re talking about a multi billion dollar business like the Boston Red Sox. The human decency issue is the main issue here. Some can draw the line and some can look past it. I think it is one of the things that makes this forum important and relevant. I’m not sure calling anyone a POS or hoping their arm blows out is the way to move forward. We’re all people after all.

 

[Marciano490]

When’s Julio Urias due back?

 

[InsideTheParker]

I am asking this honestly because it is such a slippery slope and 3rd rail convo. Can we equate rooting for your favorite team because you get something for yourself out of it even though there are terrible people on that team to how someone chooses to vote? I ask because there are a lot of women who have very recently chosen to cast their votes for charged rapists, sexual harassers, under investigation for sex with minors, abusers, body shamers, mocking those with disabilities, the list goes on and on. I’m truly curious where others stand in this analogy.

Just this side of a permanent ban from Sosh. Not kidding.
But, your analogy is interesting. Most, not all, of us Red Sox fans here on Sosh are not too crazy about this Chapman signing. Most, not all, of the MA voters are politically liberal. So, we are generally consistent, each one of us, in this area.

 

[cantor44]

Many moons ago, I did a play that Mitch Albom, the sportswriter wrote. He is friends with some Detroit athletes and Joe Dumars was at the opening night party (forgive the name dropping here!). Dumars was serving as President of the Pistons at the time. They had just traded for Rip Hamilton. I said to him, "that's a great trade, he's a super player." Dumars said, "Yeah, and he's a great guy, too." I asked, "Is character a part of your criteria when you get a player?" Dumars said, "Oh yeah, a huge part, critical." I asked, "Is that why you traded Stackhouse?" He looked at me, raised his eyebrows at me, and shrugged.

 

[Cassvt2023]

@InsideTheParker i Sincerely apologize if anything I’ve brought up makes you feel that strongly. I’m from Vermont btw, if that tells you anything about where I stand on certain things. I love this forum and have followed this team for over 40 years.. going forward, I’m just gonna stick to baseball on the field. Note: I always appreciate your posts.

 

[Myt1]

It happened 9 years ago and he made an apology, do you want him to apologize again?

You’ve been cycling through bullshit apologetics and excuses all day. He could at least match your effort.

 

[MFYankees]

The only take on this may be that it fits the current state of our world in which decency is no longer prized and indecency is no longer discountenanced.

Confirmed by the vast majority of comments in today's Glob's Chapman article.

 

[BeantownIdaho]

An article on the closeout memo of the case.... "The office also released a closeout memo, written by the assistant state attorney in charge of the domestic violence unit, outlining the decision to not prosecute—which came down to a mix of people changing their stories, a statement that might not be usable in court, and Florida’s gun laws."

"Barnea, who told 911, “He was hitting me in front of everyone and he’s going crazy.” When police responded to the home, Barnea told them Chapman got very upset with her and pushed her against a wall near the movie theater before her brother separated them. She added that Chapman “choked” her by putting his hands around her neck but did not prevent her from breathing.On Dec. 22, she provided a “sworn waiver of prosecution” to the state attorney’s office, saying “...she entered his personal space. Aroldis used his fingers to move her away from him, out of his personal space. She lost her balance and fell.” This lined up with what Chapman told police, which was that he poked her and she fell on the floor.On Jan. 12, Newman spoke with Barnea again. Barnea reiterated that Chapman was trying to get her out of his personal space and that she fell because “there was a chair behind her and it made her fall on the floor.” She was mad and screaming, which drew her brother, who saw her on the floor and tackled Chapman."


https://deadspin.com/why-prosecutors-didnt-bring-charges-against-aroldis-cha-1754305230/

 

[teddywingman]

We'll never know for certain the details of the physical altercation, but firing a gun 8 times is some psychological abuse that while perhaps not illegal, is seriously fucked.

 

[LeoCarrillo]

I am asking this honestly because it is such a slippery slope and 3rd rail convo. Can we equate rooting for your favorite team because you get something for yourself out of it even though there are terrible people on that team to how someone chooses to vote? I ask because there are a lot of women who have very recently chosen to cast their votes for charged rapists, sexual harassers, under investigation for sex with minors, abusers, body shamers, mocking those with disabilities, the list goes on and on. I’m truly curious where others stand in this analogy.

I believe sports fandom has psychologically conditioned Americans (elsewhere too, but very much Americans) into an in-group/out-group mentality of unquestioning geographic and generationally passed down loyalties, the whitewashing of objectionable behavior by members of one's team and simultaneous vilifying and dehumanizing of the opponent, as well as tolerance of extremists within their clan and a tendency to claim unfairness in how the in-group was cheated and unfairly denied victory concurrent with the failure to graciously accept defeat. If it ain't causation of where we are as a nation politically, it's a good amount of correlation at least.

SoSH largely is above falling into that kind of uncritical thinking and cultish loyalty. And for the record, I like @simplicio 's answer. So I'll add it to my earlier thoughts as option d) root against the degenerate to suck and get DFA'd. Nothing hypocritical there and you still get to watch the Sox games.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Again the FO has to be confident that there will be other moves. Maybe the casual Fenway Experience fans won't care but if this plus a SP plus another hitter not named Soto is their move, the fans aren't going to tolerate many Chapman blow ups before they start making noise. Last year's team plus some more veterans is unlikely to provide enough cover.

 

[pk1627]

There was absolutely no comment on Chapman when Theo traded for him to win a long sought after championship. Or when Texas did the same to win their first championship.

I admit I wasn’t a fan because he was a Yankee. But hearing that he quit on the Yankees is a huge point in his favor.

Bottom line is that the Sox need a lh reliever who misses bats, and this guy can do it. I do not think he’s the answer at closer.

 

[Midnight Ryder Jones]

There was absolutely no comment on Chapman when Theo traded for him to win a long sought after championship. Or when Texas did the same to win their first championship.

There was a shit-ton of comment on Chapman when the Cubs traded for him. I've even heard Cubs fans say they're glad he blew Game 7 because then they didn't have to think about him as being a key part of the team.

I admit I wasn’t a fan because he was a Yankee. But hearing that he quit on the Yankees is a huge point in his favor.

I get that you're trying to be cute, but the Sox signing a guy who quit on a previous team isn't really a good thing.

Bottom line is that the Sox need a lh reliever who misses bats, and this guy can do it. I do not think he’s the answer at closer.

That's not remotely the bottom line -- at least, not for people who have a healthy relationship to sports fandom.

 

[jon abbey]

But hearing that he quit on the Yankees is a huge point in his favor.

Verdugo is still out there, although I guess he quit on you guys also.

 

[chawson]

Chapman has been part of two midseason trades for terrific players. Hopefully that’s what happens here once one of the Worcester arms (Guerrero, Penrod, Booser, Murphy) step up.

 

[pk1627]

That's not remotely the bottom line -- at least, not for people who have a healthy relationship to sports fandom.

Talk is pretty cheap. You have such a healthy relationship, why are you cheering for Duran?

 

[LogansDad]

There was absolutely no comment on Chapman when Theo traded for him to win a long sought after championship. Or when Texas did the same to win their first championship.

I admit I wasn’t a fan because he was a Yankee. But hearing that he quit on the Yankees is a huge point in his favor.

Bottom line is that the Sox need a lh reliever who misses bats, and this guy can do it. I do not think he’s the answer at closer.

Watching him win the World Series for two teams, one that hadn't won in 100+ years and one who had never won a World Series, definitely made me enjoy watching them break their winless streaks less than I would have otherwise.

I don't know how I will react in the spring. I will likely still cheer for the Red Sox, may or may not turn the games off when he is pitching, but I know that this signing has made me far less excited about this offseason than I was 12 hours ago. It's like a cloud has been put over the whole thing. I am not naive enough to think all of the guys on the team are awesome people, but the team became a lot less fun to me last season after Duran's comment. Chapman didn't end up going to court, sure, but there's enough evidence and admittance that I feel like what he did in 2015 was a lot worse than an off the cuff comment.

 

[Shaky Walton]

I don’t know what exactly happened in 2016. Between the fact that the matter was dropped and it occurred over 8 years ago, and that nothing much has apparently happened since then (excluding whatever that thing with his Mom was), I’m not clear on the level of disgust here.

Not that he’s likable. I never in fact liked him. He was a MFY after all. And I was there when’ Devers took him deep and thoroughly enjoyed it.

But he’s an extremely hard throwing reliever for a pen that needed one, knows how to close out games and has two WS rings.

While I would not have dialed this up, reactions like not watching the Sox as a result seem extreme to me.

And I do like that it will piss off some Yankees fans.

 

[chrisfont9]

Probably a craven way of looking at this, but does this FO ever do the calculus of likely on-field value VS likely negative blow-back of the singing? This one doesn't seem to pass that test. Why even open themselves up to the valid condemnation, for a guy who may still be decent, but seemingly no longer dominant? As for the signing itself, I'm torn. I'd rather not have someone with that in their past on the teams I root for. But I've long ago made peace with the idea that many of the entertainers whose work I enjoy(and that's all athletes are) are shitty people, or at least have been in their worst moments. It's all a matter of degree, recent history, etc. as to whether it's a deal-breaker or not.

I mean, there could be all sorts of stuff that doesn't come out about a guy who they refuse to go after. They can't exactly announce this sort of stuff at Fanfest.

 

[TheDogMan]

Pete Rose is an odd choice to use here, given his alleged affair with an underaged girl.

Alleged is not proven, if proven same thing. I am not advocating letting Pete in the HOF. His ban was earned. My point is that lMO MLB should treat what Chapman did should get the same ban.

 

[Midnight Ryder Jones]

Talk is pretty cheap. You have such a healthy relationship, why are you cheering for Duran?

I'm not. I want the Red Sox to do well, but I long ago realized that what the Red Sox do on the field doesn't actually impact my life in any way. So I watch baseball as pastime that I enjoy intellectually and emotionally. Jarren Duran takes away some of that enjoyment, and Chapman will take away even more.

 

[SuperDieHard]

And Jabril Peppers is back playing for the Pats….unfortunately this is the world we live in. Never going to like Chapman but I’ll hope he’s effective for a year and gone- or maybe trade bait at the deadline (because we have a surplus not that we’ll be out of it again…)

 

[Petagine in a Bottle]

Was the 2004 WS championship tainted because every clinching game was won by Derek Lowe, who had struck his girlfriend and violated a no contact order seven years earlier? It’s a sad fact that a lot of the guys we cheer for are imperfect human beings. Sometimes we know, sometimes we don’t. If the Sox were going to only acquire players with perfect records, they’d be limiting the pool of potential players.

 

[Marciano490]

I believe sports fandom has psychologically conditioned Americans (elsewhere too, but very much Americans) into an in-group/out-group mentality of unquestioning geographic and generationally passed down loyalties, the whitewashing of objectionable behavior by members of one's team and simultaneous vilifying and dehumanizing of the opponent, as well as tolerance of extremists within their clan and a tendency to claim unfairness in how the in-group was cheated and unfairly denied victory concurrent with the failure to graciously accept defeat. If it ain't causation of where we are as a nation politically, it's a good amount of correlation at least.

SoSH largely is above falling into that kind of uncritical thinking and cultish loyalty. And for the record, I hadn't thought of it but like @simplicio 's answer. So I'll add it to my earlier thoughts as option d) root against the degenerate to suck and get DFA'd. Nothing hypocritical there and you still get to watch the Sox games.

This was very well said.

 

[Jace II]

I believe sports fandom has psychologically conditioned Americans (elsewhere too, but very much Americans) into an in-group/out-group mentality of unquestioning geographic and generationally passed down loyalties, the whitewashing of objectionable behavior by members of one's team and simultaneous vilifying and dehumanizing of the opponent, as well as tolerance of extremists within their clan and a tendency to claim unfairness in how the in-group was cheated and unfairly denied victory concurrent with the failure to graciously accept defeat. If it ain't causation of where we are as a nation politically, it's a good amount of correlation at least.

Maybe so, but I think as humans we have those tribal impulses ingrained regardless, and if we could just express them in mostly consequence-free ways like sports rivalries (eg football is a metaphor for war and an outlet of silly testosterone, but a lot less people die), to me that's ideal. Agreed that the increase in paranoid conspiracy "everything is rigged" groupthink in sports does really mirror what's happening more broadly with respect to pretty much every established system.

I think sports are inherently neither moral or immoral. Obviously the self-selecting skillsets of those involved have nothing to do with excelling at morality. Beyond external legal repercussions and the occasional moral rules suspension (like Chapman's, and Bauer's, etc), situations like this are going to come up. Rarely are different franchises truly more moral than any of the other franchises, as their incentives are really just to make money via winning. It's lame, but absent lifetime bans or more unspoken informal ones, these guys are still going to seek employment.

 

[bosox1534]

You’ve been cycling through bullshit apologetics and excuses all day. He could at least match your effort.

I’m not the only one that feels this way, but thanks for calling me out individually.

 

[Myt1]

I’m not the only one that feels this way, but thanks for calling me out individually.

Neat. That’s at least your second bandwagon fallacy.

You’ve spammed the thread with flailing excuses, every one of which illustrates that you have no idea what you’re talking about, no idea how domestic violence complaints typically work, and no understanding whatsoever of the criminal justice system and its difference and lack of applicability to situations that don’t have the same required burdens of proof.

You should totally keep it up, though.

 

[jbupstate]

What this thread needs is more analysis of Chapman the ball player and his impact on the Boston bullpen.

 

[AlNipper49]

Ok guys we get it.

people almost always look the other way when they get something good out of it.

“I can’t believe this company I support just hired a guy who beats women! Let me log onto my phone built by a company which employs slave and child labor and share my dismay”

sports teams get held to a wildly higher standard by consumers than other companies.

I’m in the minority I’m sure, but these guys are just employees of a team I support. They’re not idols, or heroes to me. I don’t condone what he did (or has been alleged to do) but it doesn’t affect my enjoyment of the on field product. Just like I have no issues watching the 2004 Patriots with Corey Dillon (etc)

I operate under the assumption that most (or a lot) of these guys have unsavory aspects to them. Same as the employees of most companies my dollars support directly or indirectly.

…and websites that you visit

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

What this thread needs is more analysis of Chapman the ball player and his impact on the Boston bullpen.

Feel free to add it but if you think that will deter people from discussing Chapman's troubled past - and quitting on your team counts as a red flag, even if it was the Yankees - I think you are mistaken.

We don't just stick to sports here and this guy has skeletons. If you and others don't care as long as he produces fine but some people want to like the players they root for. Accept it and accept that now that he is in the fold, the media and fans are going to continue talking about Chapman's history. Its as relevant as his potential impact on a still middling roster's bullpen.

 

[simplicio]

What this thread needs is more analysis of Chapman the ball player and his impact on the Boston bullpen.

Honestly I'm uninterested in spending time on him.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

What this thread needs is more analysis of Chapman the ball player and his impact on the Boston bullpen.

Good luck with that.

 

[bosox1534]

My last post in this thread because I need to move on: I challenge anyone who is extremely upset to actually do something about it. Cancel your NESN subscription, stop watching games, buying merch, season tickets, etc. If you are truly this disgusted in the franchise, actually do something. Dont come on here every time Chapman has a bad inning and say “he deserves this”, and then continue watching him pitch his next outing. Either make a change or stop with the hypocrisy.

 

[Hee Sox Choi]

Every time one of us pumps a fist to an Aroldis K, we have to donate $5 to the Jimmy Fund. We keep our tallies and donate at the end of the year. That way we are all taking steps to make this a positive and then we all can cheer him on. You know, for the kids.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

After the investigation , he was never convicted of domestic violence (due mainly to the changing of witness stories) ..... apologized publicly for firing the gun and admitted it was bad judgement...served a 30 day suspension that cost him close to 2 million, attended required counseling ....has not had any other issues (at least that I can find) since the 2015 incident - 9 years ago. What else does he need to do?

Didn’t the police at the scene include in their report that there was no evidence of physical abuse? Her story changed….did it change after the police did not see any evidence? I’ve shared my personal story before when I blocked a girlfriends right hook to the side of my head with my forearm leaving a bruise on her arm in my mid-20’s only to be accused so I’m extremely sensitive to false accusations. Fortunately I had logical minded police officers arrive who were able to match my story with the location of her bruise or else I’ve be Aroldis Chapman to many in this thread….or worse.

 

[AlNipper49]

Didn’t the police at the scene include in their report that there was no evidence of physical abuse? Her story changed….did it change after the police did not see any evidence? I’ve shared my personal story before when I blocked a girlfriends right hook to the side of my head with my forearm leaving a bruise on her arm in my mid-20’s only to be accused so I’m extremely sensitive to false accusations. Fortunately I had logical minded police officers arise to match my story with the location of her bruise or else I’ve be Aroldis Chapman to many in this thread….or worse.

There is no fucking way that you could throw 104

 

[Myt1]

What this thread needs is more analysis of Chapman the ball player and his impact on the Boston bullpen.

Thanks for the advice. No.

 

[jbupstate]

Maybe go fuck yourself.

That’s way better than being lectured by you.

 

[BigSoxFan]

My last post in this thread because I need to move on: I challenge anyone who is extremely upset to actually do something about it. Cancel your NESN subscription, stop watching games, buying merch, season tickets, etc. If you are truly this disgusted in the franchise, actually do something. Dont come on here every time Chapman has a bad inning and say “he deserves this”, and then continue watching him pitch his next outing. Either make a change or stop with the hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy? It’d be hypocritical for someone who has engaged in domestic violence themselves to decry this signing. It’s not hypocritical for someone who hasn’t to be disappointed in the Sox signing Chapman and then continue to follow the team.