Just shows the people running this org have no clue. Totally tone deaf move on a million levels.
Brad would never.
Brad would never.
End of the day, the Red Sox are a business. Chapman is objectively a bad human being. Nobody here disputes this fact. The Red Sox made a business decision to hire someone with a bad domestic violence history. They will own that decision.So....September 13, Sox in the thick of the playoff race, Saturday game in Fenway against the Yankees. Judge is up in the 9th with a chance to give NY the lead and the Sox have Chapman on the mound. Two out. The count runs full before Chapman blows him away with a 99 mph fastball, ending the game, vaulting the Sox ahead of NY for the lead in the AL East.
Who here is cheering?
This is why it sucks - it turns us into hypocrites.Sports kind of forces us to in this way. We invest so much emotional energy into our favorite teams, it's hard to just turn it off. Might be much easier to boo Chapman when he fails, but yeah, people here are going to cheer when he gets that big strikeout in the 9th inning to seal a win. I know we're not cheering him personally, but rather the fact that he is helping our favorite team win.
Yes, like hiring a a person arrested for underage drinking, fighting police officers, and grabbing a woman by the neck as their head coach?Just shows the people running this org have no clue. Totally tone deaf move on a million levels.
Brad would never.
Underage drinking is what you are bringing up in a thread about a domestic violence abuser? Time for you to sit this one out.Yes, like hiring a a person arrested for underage drinking and fighting police officers as their head coach?
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/joe-mazzulla-past-arrests-legal-issues-better-person-celtics-interim-head-coach-nba-ime-udoka/
Grabbing a woman by the neck isn’t violent abuse?Underage drinking is what you are bringing up in a thread about a domestic violence abuser? Time for you to sit this one out.
Brett Myers is probably available too.Well, Trevor Bauer is still out there also.
Yeah, there is a lot that makes me feel hypocritical with this. On one hand, I wouldn't have signed him because I think there are plenty of pitchers who aren't abusers who the Red Sox could have signed to help them. On the other hand, from a strictly baseball perspective I think it's a really good move and it makes a lot of sense. But if it was me that was making the decision, I wouldn't have done it.End of the day, the Red Sox are a business. Chapman is objectively a bad human being. Nobody here disputes this fact. The Red Sox made a business decision to hire someone with a bad domestic violence history. They will own that decision.
It’s unfortunate that Sox fans now have to face a personal choice of watching a team they love with a gigantic turd on it or boycotting and, thus, depriving themselves of entertainment on a team that has a lot to he excited about.
It’s just like the NFL. We’re all going to complain but, when push comes to shove, 99.9% of us will still follow this team and support them despite the presence of Chapman. Is it honorable? No. But it’s the reality and the Sox ownership (a group that has been taking advantage of their fan base’s loyalty for years now), knows this.
Exactly my point. He is really good at baseball, so he should continue to play as long as he is able.After the investigation , he was never convicted of domestic violence (due mainly to the changing of witness stories) ..... apologized publicly for firing the gun and admitted it was bad judgement...served a 30 day suspension that cost him close to 2 million, attended required counseling ....has not had any other issues (at least that I can find) since the 2015 incident - 9 years ago. What else does he need to do?
You rang?Our boy Bobby D also took him super deep to left at the new Toilet on a Friday night.
I have the same feeling of hypocrisy and will add David Ortiz to your list of Manny Ramirez and Derek Lowe, who have all been accused of domestic violence.Another thing that makes me feel like a hypocrite - I don't like Chapman and would rather he not be on the Red Sox, but I love Derek Lowe and Manny Ramirez.
Steven Wright was suspended under MLB policy for DVI have the same feeling of hypocrisy and will add David Ortiz to your list of Manny Ramirez and Derek Lowe, who have all been accused of domestic violence.
NopeEvery single person on this forum, whether they admit it or not.
No. It's sports-fan nature.Everyone. Shitty human, but if he does well people will cheer. That’s human nature.
+1After the investigation , he was never convicted of domestic violence (due mainly to the changing of witness stories) ..... apologized publicly for firing the gun and admitted it was bad judgement...served a 30 day suspension that cost him close to 2 million, attended required counseling ....has not had any other issues (at least that I can find) since the 2015 incident - 9 years ago. What else does he need to do?
Forgot about Theo. I'm now getting frightening flashbacks to the acquisitions of Edgar Renteria, Coco Crisp, and the worst of all time, Julio Lugo. Make it STOOOOOOOOP!This might be a negative aspect of Theo Epstein being back as a senior advisor, he was president in Chicago when they obtained Chapman in 2016. I'm not in the rooms to see how and if these transgressions are weighed, but would Breslow be emboldened to sign Chapman if Epstein wasn't around to vouch for him from his time with the Cubs?
Which is part of human nature.No. It's sports-fan nature.
The worst move of all of Theo's horrendous moves.If we’re doing a Remembrance of Scumbags and Abusers Past thread, I don’t believe I’ve seen old friend Julio Lugo’s name in this thread.
I also just remembered that he’s dead.
Might as well since standards are no longer in play.Well, Trevor Bauer is still out there also.
Sometimes when you hire the seventh choice, you get the seventh choice.Just shows the people running this org have no clue. Totally tone deaf move on a million levels.
Brad would never.
What did Duran do, except for the vax thing? Houck also falls into that category, but to me that makes Duran more of a dumbass than an actually horrible human being. Way, way different category from those other guys.Thanks.
I'll amend to "he sucks" as a person.
But again, Ozuna (Braves), Urias (Dodgers), Chapman himself (Cubs, Yankees), Duran and Steven Wright (Red Sox).
He's more the latest in a long line of "these guys suck" but they often end up on teams we want to emulate. I'd have rather signed Kirby Yates to 2/$20m/$10m, but plenty of a$$hats on MLB rosters.
Sports fans are uniquely forgiving. Because sports fans want to tap into that feeling of when they were 8 years old and first walked into Fenway and saw the brilliant green grass and thought all the players were super guys. (Although the Gulden's mustard took some getting used to.) So now they're hypocrites knowing that half of their heroes are flawed or worse (or much worse). But they won't stop watching games on TV. How many people here are gonna cancel their mlb.tv (beside the one poster a page or two back) and not watch the Sox this season? Don't use human nature as cheap absolution. Either a) stop watching the Sox as long as this despicable person is on the team, b) own your hypocrisy in watching the Sox; or c) kill your inner 8 year old and resolve yourself to the fact that a sizable percentage of professional athletes are, on balance or in their worst moments, massive shitbirds.Which is part of human nature.
I'm not saying Chapman shouldn't play baseball ANYWHERE, just that I'd prefer it not be with my team. But then again, I am not as high on him as some are in this thread.After the investigation , he was never convicted of domestic violence (due mainly to the changing of witness stories) ..... apologized publicly for firing the gun and admitted it was bad judgement...served a 30 day suspension that cost him close to 2 million, attended required counseling ....has not had any other issues (at least that I can find) since the 2015 incident - 9 years ago. What else does he need to do?
Couldn’t agree more, thanks for being a realist.Sports fans are uniquely forgiving. Because sports fans want to tap into that feeling of when they were 8 years old and first walked into Fenway and saw the brilliant green grass and thought all the players were super guys. (Although the Gulden's mustard took some getting used to.) So now they're hypocrites knowing that half of their heroes are flawed or worse (or much worse). But they won't stop watching games on TV. How many people here are gonna cancel their mlb.tv (beside the one poster a page or two back) and not watch the Sox this season? Don't use human nature as cheap absolution. Either a) stop watching the Sox as long as this despicable person is on the team, b) own your hypocrisy in watching the Sox; or c) kill your inner 8 year old and resolve yourself to the fact that a sizable percentage of professional athletes are, on balance or in their worst moments, massive shitbirds.
Yea, he’s basically the older 1 year contact version of Tanner Scott.Do we think this means they are out on Tanner Scott?
Exactly. I don't condone what he "allegedly" did but he was never charged or prosecuted for domestic violence for whatever reason.After the investigation , he was never convicted of domestic violence (due mainly to the changing of witness stories) ..... apologized publicly for firing the gun and admitted it was bad judgement...served a 30 day suspension that cost him close to 2 million, attended required counseling ....has not had any other issues (at least that I can find) since the 2015 incident - 9 years ago. What else does he need to do?
Memories are short. He got into a nasty spat with a fan last season and called him a homophobic slur.What did Duran do, except for the vax thing? Houck also falls into that category, but to me that makes Duran more of a dumbass than an actually horrible human being. Way, way different category from those other guys.
Epstein and Breslow are close. Any conversations between the two would likely have happen regardless of Theo's current position.This might be a negative aspect of Theo Epstein being back as a senior advisor, he was president in Chicago when they obtained Chapman in 2016. I'm not in the rooms to see how and if these transgressions are weighed, but would Breslow be emboldened to sign Chapman if Epstein wasn't around to vouch for him from his time with the Cubs?
Sure, but a half dozen wrongs don't make ..... Oh nevermind.Steven Wright was suspended under MLB policy for DV
Looks like someone quit on the Red Sox season fairly earlyMemories are short. He got into a nasty spat with a fan last season and called him a homophobic slur.
Someone who will likely respond with DILLIGAF.Just wondering who I can email in the front office to say WTF to?
Just like the rest of humanity. I'm quite confident that there are people held in high regard here in SOSH that have done some things that, if they ever came to light, would result in quite a different view of them.Sports fans are uniquely forgiving. Because sports fans want to tap into that feeling of when they were 8 years old and first walked into Fenway and saw the brilliant green grass and thought all the players were super guys. (Although the Gulden's mustard took some getting used to.) So now they're hypocrites knowing that half of their heroes are flawed or worse (or much worse). But they won't stop watching games on TV. How many people here are gonna cancel their mlb.tv (beside the one poster a page or two back) and not watch the Sox this season? Don't use human nature as cheap absolution. Either a) stop watching the Sox as long as this despicable person is on the team, b) own your hypocrisy in watching the Sox; or c) kill your inner 8 year old and resolve yourself to the fact that a sizable percentage of professional athletes are, on balance or in their worst moments, massive shitbirds.
There are some things that are never going away no matter what the person does afterwards. Choking your girlfriend and then shooting a gun in a garage is in that ultra shitty non-Aaron Hernandez level basketAfter the investigation , he was never convicted of domestic violence (due mainly to the changing of witness stories) ..... apologized publicly for firing the gun and admitted it was bad judgement...served a 30 day suspension that cost him close to 2 million, attended required counseling ....has not had any other issues (at least that I can find) since the 2015 incident - 9 years ago. What else does he need to do?
You will not celebrate his accomplishments? Great. Hopefully Sox ownership takes notice of this resounding message you’ll be sending.I love those who talk about baseball being a business and Chapman being so good he should be allowed to keep playing. I agree totally.
He should be playing elsewhere, and he should be on the receiving end of enormous home runs from Red Sox hitters. I will not celebrate his accomplishments. He's a distraction to my baseball joy. Even if he strikes out the last guy to win the World Series.
Remove the domestic stuff(I won't, but you can). He quit on the Yankees when they left him off the roster. He packed his bags and went home. This was only 2 years ago. This guy is a self centered loser.
My guess? They're hoping he has enough in the tank to be worth a couple prospects in a trade midseason on their way to another middling .500 season.
Yes. Also, I don’t have tickets to those teams.Keep in mind Chapman has been signed by several teams since this incident occurred. For those upset with the Red Sox, are you equally upset with the Yankees, Cubs, Royals, Rangers and Pirates?
Not to go all V&N here, but right or wrong broad assumptions base from one thing can often used to make other connections used to form opinions on a person.What did Duran do, except for the vax thing? Houck also falls into that category, but to me that makes Duran more of a dumbass than an actually horrible human being. Way, way different category from those other guys.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/40836911/red-sox-star-jarren-duran-suspended-2-games-anti-gay-slurWhat did Duran do, except for the vax thing? Houck also falls into that category, but to me that makes Duran more of a dumbass than an actually horrible human being. Way, way different category from those other guys.