Sox send Miley to Seattle for Smith (RP) and Elias (SP)

[MakMan44]

Sources: #Mariners talking to #RedSox about trade for starting pitcher. Target is Buchholz or Miley, not clear.

Per Rosenthal, the M's are looking at acquiring Clay or Wade Miley from the Sox. I'm more interested in what the Sox would be looking to get back from the M's in any deal. .

 

[Hank Scorpio]

As said in the other thread, this has to be the M's inquiring and the Sox merely listening. Unless we're able to acquire Taijun Walker or Kyle Seager, there's not much the M's have in major league ready talent that interests me. Of course, acquiring either of those players is a pipe dream.

 

[Alex Cole's Rec Specs]

Of the players who are not a "pipe dream," I've always liked Edwin Diaz. Decent control, averages a K per inning, and still has some physical development left (he's 165 lbs) that could improve his stock. Not enough to do a 1 for 1, but he's a right-handed starter close to the majors, something we could use. Charlie Furbush would fit nicely into our bullpen, too.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Jerry Dipoto having a bagel with Dave Dombrowski during the continental breakfast in the lobby of the host hotel in Nashville and casually inquiring how Miley and Buchholz are doing because he got to know them in his two months working in the Red Sox front office = "M's and Red Sox in talks about starting pitching" according to guys like Rosenthal.

It's a given other teams are going to check in with Dombrowski about the Red Sox surplus of starters. I think it would be wise not to treat each one of these reports like there are some sort of intense negotiations involved and a trade is imminent.

 

[PrometheusWakefield]

a trade is imminent.

Red(s)HawksFan reports: Trade between BOS and SEA "is imminent".

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

See....

 

[Laser Show]

Red(s)HawksFan reports: Trade between BOS and SEA "is imminent".

I actually bit on this and thought something was happening for a couple minutes. Boo.

 

[geoduck no quahog]

Why would Seattle trade one of their pitchers for one of the Red Sox pitchers?

LH vs RH?
Salary Relief?
Not talking about a starter?
Not talking about a pitcher?

Makes no sense

 

[DJnVa]

As said in the other thread, this has to be the M's inquiring and the Sox merely listening. Unless we're able to acquire Taijun Walker or Kyle Seager, there's not much the M's have in major league ready talent that interests me. Of course, acquiring either of those players is a pipe dream.

Walker is a pipe dream of course, but the rumor is the M's want SPs. Of course they're not trading Walker to get it. That defeats the purpose.

 

[Manramsclan]

Jerry Dipoto having a bagel with Dave Dombrowski during the continental breakfast in the lobby of the host hotel in Nashville and casually inquiring how Miley and Buchholz are doing because he got to know them in his two months working in the Red Sox front office = "M's and Red Sox in talks about starting pitching" according to guys like Rosenthal.

This is so spot on. We should probably have a rumors only thread for Red Sox rumors only but that will never happen because we will end up arguing about the value of opt-out clauses.

 

[terrisus]

So, the Felix Hernandez rumors start right about... never, right?

 

[terrisus]

a trade is imminent.

Red(s)HawksFan reports: Trade between BOS and SEA "is imminent".

And here's secondary confirmation:

according to guys like Rosenthal.

It's a given

 

[chrisfont9]

Seattle radio (Mike Salk, remember him?) floated DJ Peterson for Buchholz. He's just spitballing, but Peterson is blocked by Seager, so it makes sense he'd be considered expendable.

 

[Greg29fan]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago
Source: #Mariners making progress on trade for #RedSox’s Miley.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago
Source: #Mariners making progress on trade for #RedSox’s Miley.

Translation...Dombrowski and Dipoto were seen eating lunch at adjacent tables in the hotel restaurant.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago
Source: #Mariners making progress on trade for #RedSox’s Miley.

If there's any credibility to this, the return better be good. Miley is a very valuable commodity, and signed at a bargain for multiple years.

 

[Mike Greenwall]

I want Miley to stay. His floor is pretty good for a 5th starter.

 

[nvalvo]

Walker is a pipe dream of course, but the rumor is the M's want SPs. Of course they're not trading Walker to get it. That defeats the purpose.

What if it's Miley *and* Buchholz for Walker? Miley has probably $20m of surplus value, Buchholz' projection is more complicated, but his contract is great, so if things break well health-wise, he could offer at least that much again, without commitment.

Walker has less than two years of service time, so basically the deal would allow the Mariners to get two pitchers in their mid-late primes on reasonable deals to match with Felix, while the Sox would be able to get younger and shed some payroll. 5 years of control headed each way.

I'm not saying it's happening, but crazier things have. Apologies if this is a dumb post.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

Apology accepted.

 

[johnnywayback]

I mentioned Carson Smith in the other thread -- that's my bet. Also, my hope: He's a studly reliever with, I think, four years of control.

 

[RedOctober3829]

I want Miley to stay. His floor is pretty good for a 5th starter.

That's my feeling as well. Miley may not put up spectacular numbers but he gives you close to league average pitching for 200 ip. Depends on the return and if it's part of a bigger deal to get someone like Walker I'll change my mind.

 

[BaseballJones]

Miley is a very useful and valuable pitcher. Not an ace, obviously, but a solid, solid major-league pitcher who doesn't cost very much. If DDski is going to trade him, he'd better get something pretty damned good back. I'm sure he won't be able to get Walker or Seager, but it had better be something really good. Peterson might be ok. After his 2014 season I think most people would have been higher on him. 31 homers, 111 rbi, .297/.360/.552/.912 in A+ and AA. But his 2015 in AA and AAA wasn't very good: 7 hr, 44 rbi, .223/.287/.344/.632. And not particularly good defensively at 3b, so say the scouting reports.

 

[nvalvo]

Apology accepted.

LOL. I'm just thinking of how good Buchholz could be with a marine layer. I'd be interested if I were the M's.

edit: And the original tweet was "Target is Buchholz or Miley, not clear."

 

[Hank Scorpio]

What if it's Miley *and* Buchholz for Walker? Miley has probably $20m of surplus value, Buchholz' projection is more complicated, but his contract is great, so if things break well health-wise, he could offer at least that much again, without commitment.

Walker has less than two years of service time, so basically the deal would allow the Mariners to get two pitchers in their mid-late primes on reasonable deals to match with Felix, while the Sox would be able to get younger and shed some payroll. 5 years of control headed each way.

I'm not saying it's happening, but crazier things have. Apologies if this is a dumb post.

It's plausible, maybe - but as much as I like Walker, I dunno in a vacuum...

Price
Walker
Porcello
Rodriguez
Kelly/Owens/Johnson

Price
Buchholz
Miley
Porcello
Rodriguez

The trade would be a win, I think, but I'd like it more if we're going to go out and get another #2-3 starter via FA.

 

[Corsi]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 14m14 minutes ago
Source: #Mariners making progress on trade for #RedSox’s Miley.

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[chrisfont9]

What if it's Miley *and* Buchholz for Walker? Miley has probably $20m of surplus value, Buchholz' projection is more complicated, but his contract is great, so if things break well health-wise, he could offer at least that much again, without commitment.

Walker has less than two years of service time, so basically the deal would allow the Mariners to get two pitchers in their mid-late primes on reasonable deals to match with Felix, while the Sox would be able to get younger and shed some payroll. 5 years of control headed each way.

I'm not saying it's happening, but crazier things have. Apologies if this is a dumb post.

I really, really doubt the Mariners will even listen on Walker. My hunch is that they would take Miley and then spend a bunch of money on a free agent, maybe Cueto or Maeda. Perception-wise, they'd get killed out here for dealing Walker, and anyway they need more SPs, they can't afford to deal guys off their major league rotation.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Translation...Dombrowski and Dipoto were seen eating lunch at adjacent tables in the hotel restaurant.

Dombrowski pays the check: "Red Sox will send money along with Miley to the M's"

 

[Alex Cole's Rec Specs]

If the Sox get Walker out of this deal I'll eat my hat. I am going to take my suggestion above and turn it into a prediction: Charlie Furbush and Edwin Diaz for Wade Miley.

 

[Devizier]

Peterson would be a decent haul. Plays the corners, post-hype guy who could develop big power. Insurance for Shaw in case they need it.

 

[nvalvo]

Tomase: “I do think there is trade potential,” Henry said. “We have a lot of pitching and we have a lot of talent. We’re not going to trade away our core young players, but we might be able to get a core young pitcher. Dave is exploring a lot of other things. He’s well known as someone who’s not afraid to pull the trigger. Because of these young players we’re in good shape, not just for this year, but going forward.”

I guess Carson Smith could meet that criterion as well.

(It's a slightly incoherent quote, when you read it closely.)

 

[LahoudOrBillyC]

The Red Sox will be looking for a starter by May 15 at the latest. Maybe they can reacquire Miley at the deadline for a couple of prospects?

 

[themanwithoneredsock]

we have an SP surplus?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Unlike most here I'm cool with trading Miley. I really like Kelly's potential upside. And if he fails its off to the bullpen and one of Owens or Wright get his starts - which is a good thing.

The current starting 5 doesn't leave much room for any of the AAA kids - until the inevitable Buchholz injury I suppose. Miley has the least upside of any of them but still possesses (in theory) lots of trade value..

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Peterson would be a decent haul. Plays the corners, post-hype guy who could develop big power. Insurance for Shaw in case they need it.

Would be the best case scenario. Odds are that its Furbush and a prospect. Which would be very interesting because it would free up some money to go spend elsewhere.

 

[mloyko54]

Charlie Furbush came up in the Tigers system under Dombrowski so Furbush + could make sense.

Part of me is really interested to see what Dombrowski could add to Miley to get James Paxton.

 

[Auger34]

Would be the best case scenario. Odds are that its Furbush and a prospect. Which would be very interesting because it would free up some money to go spend elsewhere.

Completely agree. I am going to guess that it's Peterson and Furbush as the package. Carson Smith just seems like too much of a pipe dream for just Miley

 

[E5 Yaz]

Charlie Furbush came up in the Tigers system under Dombrowski so Furbush + could make sense.

The last thing SoSH needs is a lurker called Furbushisnotatrippername

 

[LahoudOrBillyC]

Reminder: Jerry DiPoto is smart.

 

[MakMan44]

Charlie Furbush came up in the Tigers system under Dombrowski so Furbush + could make sense.

Part of me is really interested to see what Dombrowski could add to Miley to get James Paxton.

I wouldn't add much, honestly. Paxton is a big injury risk, and he's not that much younger than Miley.

Plus, according to Cot's he only has one more year of team control compared to Miley.

 

[foulkehampshire]

They better be looking for another workhorse in the rotation if they deal Miley.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

we have an SP surplus?

Currently we have nine SPs:

Price, Buchholz, Porcello, Miley, EdRo, Kelly, Owens, Wright and Brian Johnson would be the current depth chart - speaks for itself one would think.

In that list I put Miley in the 7th or 8th spot based on quality (or at least potential)

 

[mfried]

The last thing SoSH needs is a lurker called Furbushisnotatrippername

I'll bet you meant Furbushisnotastripper.

 

[alwyn96]

I really, really doubt the Mariners will even listen on Walker. My hunch is that they would take Miley and then spend a bunch of money on a free agent, maybe Cueto or Maeda. Perception-wise, they'd get killed out here for dealing Walker, and anyway they need more SPs, they can't afford to deal guys off their major league rotation.

I can't see them moving Walker in a Miley deal either. I mentioned this on the other pitching thread too, but the guy who might be the most obvious guy the Red Sox would be interested in, Carson Smith, seems like a pretty important part of the Ms bullpen. The Ms need all the arms they can get.

I still have a crush on the idea of a Miley/Sandoval for Seager deal, which I think is less insane than it sounds, but almost certainly not going to happen.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Just got a tip from a 14 year old from Missouri: the deal is Miley, Devers, Sandoval and cash for Kyle Seager.

 

[chrisfont9]

Charlie Furbush came up in the Tigers system under Dombrowski so Furbush + could make sense.

Part of me is really interested to see what Dombrowski could add to Miley to get James Paxton.

Yeah, I dunno. I'd love to get Paxton but I think his stock hasn't fallen very far just yet. One more season of under 100 innings and then I think the Ms will be ready to trade him.

 

[DJnVa]

we have an SP surplus?

No one ever has a surplus, but right now we have Price, Buchholz, Miley, Kelly, Porcello, ERod, Owens, and Wright that started at least 9 games last season.

 

[glennhoffmania]

Currently we have nine SPs:

Price, Buchholz, Porcello, Miley, EdRo, Kelly, Owens, Wright and Brian Johnson would be the current depth chart - speaks for itself one would think.

In that list I put Miley in the 7th or 8th spot based on quality (or at least potential)

Really? Not me. With Buchholz' injuries, Kelly's inconsistency and the inexperience of Rodriguez/Owens/Wright/Johnson I think Miley is no worse than fifth. I think some people are really under-valuing Miley here.

 

[jimbobim]

I'd like Smith or Furbush. I've always liked Roenis Elias who perhaps could work well in pen/swing man role over Wright. Should be interesting to see how this shakes out.

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2014/3/16/5516636/on-roenis-elias-and-a-change-he-made-that-could-prove-interesting

@redsoxstats with the graph above.

 

[Manramsclan]

The last thing SoSH needs is a lurker called Furbushisnotatrippername

What about Furbushisnotagoodstrippername?

I'm not crazy about trading Miley. I think he is valuable to the Sox as a bottom of the rotation 200 innings horse.

Of that list of 9 SP's, how many can we count on for 200 innings?

Price
Miley

Porcello is the only other guy that comes close, and he's averaged 178 IP a season.

With Price and Miley at the front and the back, you've got a really good base to slot those other pitchers in accordingly.

If we trade Miley the return better be great or what we send out creates flexibility (Hanley, Sandoval).

 

[Montana Fan]

The Red Sox will be looking for a starter by May 15 at the latest. Maybe they can reacquire Miley at the deadline for a couple of prospects?

This my fear. Miley seems at worst to be able to play the Wakefield role of innings eater who will be league average. Signing Price doesn't make Buch healthy, Porcellor or Kelly consistent or Owens mature. If the Sox are going to compete for the postseason this year, I'd be interested to hear who will replace Miley if he's traded.