Sox and Yanks vs. the World

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You can put together an all-time team comprised of just Yankees and Red Sox, against an all-time team made up of everyone else in the game. What's the matchup, and do the New Boston RedKees have a chance? Go with traditional 25-man rosters.

Here's the thing: Bos/NY, because they're a team made up of two franchises, get the first pick at each position, and no player can be on both the Bos/NY and The World teams. So for example, Manny Ramirez could be picked by the Bos/NY team, because he played for Boston, but then he couldn't be *also* placed on The World team. Hope that makes sense.

When we think about these players, think about them (specific to Bos/NY) during their time with those teams. So Craig Kimbrel...he has been AWESOME in his entire career for the most part, but his best overall stretch was with Atlanta. You'd only really be getting his "Boston" years, which, honestly, were still frigging awesome until the playoffs in 2018.

Bos/NY
C - Yogi Berra
1b - Lou Gehrig
2b - Joe Cronin
3b - Alex Rodriguez
SS - Derek Jeter
LF - Ted Williams
CF - Joe DiMaggio
RF - Babe Ruth
DH - David Ortiz
C - Carlton Fisk
IF - Carl Yastrzemski
IF - Nomar Garciaparra
OF - Mickey Mantle
OF - Manny Ramirez

SP - Pedro Martinez
SP - Roger Clemens
SP - Whitey Ford
SP - Cy Young
SP - Ron Guidry
RP - Sparky Lyle
RP - Dick Radatz
RP - Koji Uehara
RP - Jonathan Papelbon
RP - Craig Kimbrel
RP - Mariano Rivera


The World
C - Johnny Bench
1b - Jimmie Foxx
2b - Rogers Hornsby
3b - Mike Schmidt
SS - Ernie Banks
LF - Barry Bonds
CF - Willie Mays
RF - Hank Aaron
DH - Albert Pujols
C - Josh Gibson
IF - Jackie Robinson
IF - Eddie Mathews
OF - Mike Trout
OF - Ty Cobb

SP - Sandy Koufax
SP - Bob Gibson
SP - Walter Johnson
SP - Greg Maddux
SP - Randy Johnson
RP - Dan Quisenberry
RP - Bruce Sutter
RP - Billy Wagner
RP - Rollie Fingers
RP - Trevor Hoffman
RP - Dennis Eckersley


Obviously YMMV with a bunch of these selections, right? That goes without saying. Picking the 5 starters for the World team is super difficult. So many other greats to choose from. And how is Trout not the starting CF? Well, because Willie Freaking Mays is.

I think the World team is better overall, but I think the Bos/NY team would give them a pretty good run for their money.
 

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You can put together an all-time team comprised of just Yankees and Red Sox, against an all-time team made up of everyone else in the game. What's the matchup, and do the New Boston RedKees have a chance?
So. . .is there a word that describes a feeling of both mild confusion and slight nausea?

;)
 

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Another good question is whether you could put together a roster from any other two teams (say, Cards/Phils, Dodgers/Giants, Cards/Dodgers or whatever) that would give a Yankees/Red Sox all-star team a run for its money, and if so, which two teams would you choose.
 

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I'd bump Papelbon for Gossage, and maybe Pedroia for Cronin, as fielding might be critical in a tight series.

I've no idea who would win a 7-gamer.
 
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This is like that part in the movie where the two big enemies who desperately hate each other start working together and completely kick ass and everyone just watches and cheers.
 

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This is like that part in the movie where the two big enemies who desperately hate each other start working together and completely kick ass and everyone just watches and cheers.
Feels like Rocky and Clubber Lang.
 

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Ah. I was looking for him on the BOS/NY roster. I guess his best years were in fact with the Philadelphia Athletics but I always think of him as a Red Sox legend.
You could probably make the argument that he's a fit on both of these fictional teams.
 

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The drafting aspect you mention would be interesting. I'm not sure the Redkees end up with Pedro, Clemens and Young since the world team has the luxury of knowing there's a whole pile of viable draft choices. Best case is the Redkees get two out of those three. Does the world team have a better rotation without taking one of the Redkees expected starters? Possibly, but forcing the Redkees to go a step down may be worth the tradeoff.

Also, The Monster scoffs at how many RP are on these staffs.
 

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I'd start Mantle over DiMaggio in CF. And agree (sadly) that Boggs should be on the roster ahead of Nomar. Yaz as an infield reserve feels weird but I get it.
 

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The crazy thing is that if you take just these two teams, you can make a roster that's very competitive with the best of all time *from every other team in baseball*.

I'd say you could do the same with basketball if you take Lakers/Celtics vs. the World. Especially if you let the Lakers/Celtics draft their roster first. They snag LeBron, keeping him away from the World roster.

Lakers/Celtics
G - Magic
G - Kobe
F - LeBron
F - Bird
C - Wilt (yes)

Reserves - Shaq, Baylor, West, Kareem, Russell, Havlicek, Sam Jones, McHale, Anthony Davis, Worthy, DJ, Pierce, Garnett, Allen - good lord this roster (Tatum doesn't even sniff this roster....yet)

I mean, I'd put that team up against the World any day.

Anyway, back to Yanks/Sox vs everyone...
 

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Eh, the Yankees have been a perennially dominant team for over a century. You can pair them with any other franchise with a successful history (Cardinals, Giants, Athletics, Dodgers, etc.) and form a similar team.
 

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Eh, the Yankees have been a perennially dominant team for over a century. You can pair them with any other franchise with a successful history (Cardinals, Giants, Athletics, Dodgers, etc.) and form a similar team.
This is true, but not as fun.
 

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Eh, the Yankees have been a perennially dominant team for over a century. You can pair them with any other franchise with a successful history (Cardinals, Giants, Athletics, Dodgers, etc.) and form a similar team.
You can make an argument for the Yankees being competitive by themselves.
 

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You can put together an all-time team comprised of just Yankees and Red Sox, against an all-time team made up of everyone else in the game. What's the matchup, and do the New Boston RedKees have a chance? Go with traditional 25-man rosters.

Here's the thing: Bos/NY, because they're a team made up of two franchises, get the first pick at each position, and no player can be on both the Bos/NY and The World teams. So for example, Manny Ramirez could be picked by the Bos/NY team, because he played for Boston, but then he couldn't be *also* placed on The World team. Hope that makes sense.

When we think about these players, think about them (specific to Bos/NY) during their time with those teams. So Craig Kimbrel...he has been AWESOME in his entire career for the most part, but his best overall stretch was with Atlanta. You'd only really be getting his "Boston" years, which, honestly, were still frigging awesome until the playoffs in 2018.

Bos/NY
C - Yogi Berra
1b - Lou Gehrig
2b - Joe Cronin
3b - Alex Rodriguez
SS - Derek Jeter
LF - Ted Williams
CF - Joe DiMaggio
RF - Babe Ruth
DH - David Ortiz
C - Carlton Fisk
IF - Carl Yastrzemski
IF - Nomar Garciaparra
OF - Mickey Mantle
OF - Manny Ramirez

SP - Pedro Martinez
SP - Roger Clemens
SP - Whitey Ford
SP - Cy Young
SP - Ron Guidry
RP - Sparky Lyle
RP - Dick Radatz
RP - Koji Uehara
RP - Jonathan Papelbon
RP - Craig Kimbrel
RP - Mariano Rivera


The World
C - Johnny Bench
1b - Jimmie Foxx
2b - Rogers Hornsby
3b - Mike Schmidt
SS - Ernie Banks
LF - Barry Bonds
CF - Willie Mays
RF - Hank Aaron
DH - Albert Pujols
C - Josh Gibson
IF - Jackie Robinson
IF - Eddie Mathews
OF - Mike Trout
OF - Ty Cobb

SP - Sandy Koufax
SP - Bob Gibson
SP - Walter Johnson
SP - Greg Maddux
SP - Randy Johnson
RP - Dan Quisenberry
RP - Bruce Sutter
RP - Billy Wagner
RP - Rollie Fingers
RP - Trevor Hoffman
RP - Dennis Eckersley


Obviously YMMV with a bunch of these selections, right? That goes without saying. Picking the 5 starters for the World team is super difficult. So many other greats to choose from. And how is Trout not the starting CF? Well, because Willie Freaking Mays is.

I think the World team is better overall, but I think the Bos/NY team would give them a pretty good run for their money.
Nomar’s better

The world just hits it toward SS
easy win for world

I give The World Ozzie Smith for defense
Maybe even start him

also Stan the Man at DH instead of his STL brethren imho
I don’t think it matters it didn’t exist at his time
 

Ale Xander

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Big big edge for World up the middle (primarily 2B and CF) and end of the rotation

May take G38 over Guidry too
 

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I think Yogi has to be at catcher.

EDIT: I think I have to read better.
 
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Ale Xander

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World lineup:
Bonds LF
Hornsby/Robinson 2B
Musial DH
Aaron RF
Foxx 1B
Mays CF
Schmidt 3B
Bench C
Banks/Wizard SS
 

Ale Xander

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MFRS lineup:

Arod 3B
Ruth RF
Williams LF
Gehrig 1B
DiMaggio/Mantle CF
Ortiz DH
Nomar SS
Berra/Fisk C
Cronin/Doerr/Pedroia 2B
 
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I'd bump Papelbon for Gossage, and maybe Pedroia for Cronin, as fielding might be critical in a tight series.

I've no idea who would win a 7-gamer.
I'd bump Kimbrel for Gossage before I would jettison Papelbon. As Baseball Jones points out, we're only getting Red Sox Kimbrel. Yankees Gossage was lights out with NY and springboarded his Yankee years to the HOF. Red Sox Kimbrel's 2018 vastly overshadowed the rest of his tenure on the Sox.

I'm now going to go take a shower. This thread makes me feel dirty.
 

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The crazy thing is that if you take just these two teams, you can make a roster that's very competitive with the best of all time *from every other team in baseball*.

I'd say you could do the same with basketball if you take Lakers/Celtics vs. the World. Especially if you let the Lakers/Celtics draft their roster first. They snag LeBron, keeping him away from the World roster.

Lakers/Celtics
G - Magic
G - Kobe
F - LeBron
F - Bird
C - Wilt (yes)

Reserves - Shaq, Baylor, West, Kareem, Russell, Havlicek, Sam Jones, McHale, Anthony Davis, Worthy, DJ, Pierce, Garnett, Allen - good lord this roster (Tatum doesn't even sniff this roster....yet)

I mean, I'd put that team up against the World any day.

Anyway, back to Yanks/Sox vs everyone...
Surely, given all that scoring, you would have Russell start at center (or Garnett over Bird).
 

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Betts makes the team over Manny.

Arod starts at short, if that isn't against the spirit of the game, 2003 Arod was a gold glover, I'm sure 2004 Arod would have been a perfectly fine SS if allowed to be, and Boggs makes the team and starts at 3rd over either Nomar or Jeter depending on if you're going for peak or longevity.
 
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Surely, given all that scoring, you would have Russell start at center (or Garnett over Bird).
No and absolutely no. Wilt was a really good defender and shot blocker and a great passer in his own right.

The team would obviously be fine and I don’t mind the argument for Russell over Wilt but no. And there’s no world where I’d take Garnett over Bird. As good as Garnett was. Bird on this team would be insane.
 

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Another good question is whether you could put together a roster from any other two teams (say, Cards/Phils, Dodgers/Giants, Cards/Dodgers or whatever) that would give a Yankees/Red Sox all-star team a run for its money, and if so, which two teams would you choose.
Braves - Cardinals?

C- Joe Torre, Ted Simmons
1b Pujols
2b Hornsby
SS Ozzie
3b - Chipper Jones
OF- Musial, Andruw Jones, Hank Aaron
DH - Eddie Matthews

SP-Bob Gibson, Greg Maddux, Spahn, Glavine, Dizzy Dean or Phil Niekro
RP- Atlanta Craig Kimbrel, John Smoltz, Bruce Sutter, Todd Worrell, Al Hrabosky (for entertainment purposes)
 

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I'd go with a 10 man pitching staff and make sure to put Rickey on the roster. Either. Heck, you can argue he could be on both.
To follow this up, I think he has to be on the "World" roster. But he's #2 all time for the Yankees in SB (behind Jeter by 32 bases, and in 2200 less games), and had a .850 OPS, including a .395 OBP. He's a fringe candidate but if you wanted someone on the roster who could steal a base when necessary...

Per 162 games, Rickey on the Yankees had 21 HR, 88 SB, 180 H, and 110 BB.
 
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