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In a universe where the stars align and Soto signs to play in Boston for an absolutely incredible amount of money, where should the Front Office be turning next?

This thread isn't intended as another "we should get Soto," "I want Soto," or "there's no way in hell we get Soto" discussion as I think we have that covered. Rather, I was hoping we could explore ways to build around the Soto signing without taking over the more reality-based "targets locked" thread.



Eovaldi would be an early priority to me. Personally I want Nasty Nate back regardless, but with Soto on the payroll he would seem to sit nicely in the sweet spot of cost and capability to upgrade the rotation.
 

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Do you think having Soto changes the calculus substantially? I guess it would make them more motivated to move Wilyer for pitching to clear LF for Soto. So probably Crochet, if they can still afford to extend him around their new $650m guy.

Beyond that I think we're in the same place needing a catcher and relievers.
 

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Trade Abreu and Bleis + whatever lower end prospects necessary for Crochet.
Sign Max Fried.
Sign Tanner Scott.
Bring in a glove first / good framing catcher.

*If you can use a couple of lower level prospects and/or a guy like Priester/Fitts to make Yoshida's contract go away, do that and bring in Teoscar Hernandez.
 

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This is my "full throttle" team if they actually could land Juan Soto.

Trade Casas+ for Vlad Guerrero Jr.
Trade Abreu, Crawford, plus for Garrett Crochet
Sign Shane Bieber to a prove-it deal
Sign Tanner Scott
Sign Clay Holmes
Sign Kyle Higashioka

C-Higashioka
1B-Vlad
2B-Grissom
SS-Story
3B-Devers
LF-Soto
CF-Duran
RF-Anthony
DH-Yoshida
Bench: Ceddane Rafaela, Rob Refsnyder, Connor Wong, Romy Gonzalez

SP: Crochet, Houck, Bieber, Bello, Giolito
RP: Scott, Holmes, Hendriks, Slaten, Weissert, Bernadino, Wilson, Kelly
AAA Depth Pitching: Priester, Fitts, Criswell
 

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In a universe where the stars align and Soto signs to play in Boston for an absolutely incredible amount of money, where should the Front Office be turning next?
The team should be looking to sell high on Devers if they get Soto. Maybe going to the Mets and see if they will go for Vientos and piece for Devers.
 

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This is my "full throttle" team if they actually could land Juan Soto.

Trade Casas+ for Vlad Guerrero Jr.
Trade Abreu, Crawford, plus for Garrett Crochet
Sign Shane Bieber to a prove-it deal
Sign Tanner Scott
Sign Clay Holmes
Sign Kyle Higashioka

C-Higashioka
1B-Vlad
2B-Grissom
SS-Story
3B-Devers
LF-Soto
CF-Duran
RF-Anthony
DH-Yoshida
Bench: Ceddane Rafaela, Rob Refsnyder, Connor Wong, Romy Gonzalez

SP: Crochet, Houck, Bieber, Bello, Giolito
RP: Scott, Holmes, Hendriks, Slaten, Weissert, Bernadino, Wilson, Kelly
AAA Depth Pitching: Priester, Fitts, Criswell
FWIW, I think Casas gets you Vladi +? not the other way around.
 

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In a universe where the stars align and Soto signs to play in Boston for an absolutely incredible amount of money, where should the Front Office be turning next?

This thread isn't intended as another "we should get Soto," "I want Soto," or "there's no way in hell we get Soto" discussion as I think we have that covered. Rather, I was hoping we could explore ways to build around the Soto signing without taking over the more reality-based "targets locked" thread.



Eovaldi would be an early priority to me. Personally I want Nasty Nate back regardless, but with Soto on the payroll he would seem to sit nicely in the sweet spot of cost and capability to upgrade the rotation.

Fun thought:

A) Sign someone to DH that is a better fit and run producer than Yoshida, bonus points if said fit can play 1b - so my targets would be (in order) Santander, Walker, Hernandez, the last of whom has no experience playing 1b, of course.
B) Trade for one of Crochet, M's starter or similar.
C) Move Yoshida for as much money as can possibly be saved.
D) Sign one of Eovaldi (my personal choice), Buehler, Pivetta or Kikuchi.
E) Sign one of Kirby Yates (personal choice), Jeff Hoffman or Carlos Estevez.
F) Sign something to be the back up C until Teel is ready to take over and make Wong the back up C.

Line up (anticipating that Abreu and probably Crawford would be moved as part of a package for a starter):

CF - Duran (L)
SS - Story (R)
3b - Devers (L)
LF / DH - Soto (L)
DH / LF - Santander (R)
1b - Casas (L)
C - Wong (R)
RF - Anthony (L)
2b - Campbell / Grissom (R)

Bench - Rafaela (he is the starting SS by the time June rolls around and Story is hurt, but hopefully Campbell / Grissom has shown enough by that point that they go to the 2 hole and Rafaela to the 9), Grissom / Campbell, Hamilton, Refsnyder, Back up C.

SP1 - "Logan Crochet"
SP2 - Eovaldi
SP3 - Houck
SP4 - Bello
SP5 - Giolito / Priester / Fitts (there will be plenty of room to get at least 20ish starts from Priester because Eovaldi always misses at least a month and there will of course be another injury of some kind).

Closer - Yates
Set up - Slaten
Bullpen - assorted others.
 

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Why? He isn't a better hitter or defender.
Sure but he is a lot cheaper. Soto is a much better bat than Devers and they would eventually be playing the same position DH. Better to trade Devers now to a team that would be looking for an alternative LHH Power Bat and get some value.
 

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Yeah that's not happening. Even the Marlins waited three years to trade Stanton and they're the fucking Marlins.
 

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I entered the offseason thinking it did not make any sense to sign Soto, but it doesn't seem to be that difficult of a roster fit after thinking about the long term fit.

First, you would be signing Soto to play LF and that coupled with Anthony graduating means Abreu+ gets traded for Crochet (we will come back to pitching in a moment). Neither Soto nor Devers will be able to stay in the field for the length of the contracts though, and they can't both DH, so that means their long term positions are DH and 1B respectively. Casas would then not be extended and play 1B into/through his arb years before being traded or allowed to walk as a free agent.

The 2025 lineup is:
C - Wong/FA (Carson Kelly?)
1B - Casas
2B - Grissom
SS - Story
3B - Devers
LF - Soto
CF - Duran
RF - Anthony
DH - Yoshida/Refsnyder
UTIL - Rafaela
AAA Injury Depth - Campbell (at just about any position but catcher)

After 2025, a hopefully healthy and productive Yoshida (with less money owed) gets traded away. Soto can then move to DH and Kristian Campbell takes over in LF long term. That would leave every position player under team control through 2028. Teel would eventually take over for one of the catchers. I think the real question would be whether or not to use Mayer as a huge trade chip or slot him in for Story and try to offload more salary. Does Mayer get you Mason Miller?

For pitching, they have control of Houck through 2027, Crawford through 2028, and Bello through 2029/2030. I would imagine they would also work out an extension with Crochet (6/$100M?). They have some decent options to backfill Giolito's eventual departure with one of Fitts, Priester and Dobbins. Hopefully Perales or Yordanny can make it as starting options in a few years as well.
I don't think they can sign Soto and remain under the first tax threshold, but I can see them being able to hover in the $250M range rather than having to jump to like $300M. The expensive contracts to Giolito, Yoshida and Story would be rolling off the payroll as the arb awards for the young players start to ramp up.
 

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Yeah that's not happening. Even the Marlins waited three years to trade Stanton and they're the fucking Marlins.
So you don't think the Red Sox if by some miracle spent enough to get Soto would be looking to shed payroll? This would be the ideal time to trade Devers especially since you are jammed up with Yoshida and Story.
 

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100% yes. Vlad > Casas but 4 years >>> 1 year.
Not worried too much about years of control with Casas because the Red Sox are getting the better player and will extend Guerrero. Casas has a ton of potential but has not been able to stay on the field for a number of reasons over the last few years both in the minors and majors. If Casas has another year where he misses a good chunk of time, he'll likely be labeled(right or wrong) injury prone and his trade value will drop. I really like Casas, but if I can get Vlad Jr. for him--sign me up.
 

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So you don't think the Red Sox if by some miracle spent enough to get Soto would be looking to shed payroll? This would be the ideal time to trade Devers especially since you are jammed up with Yoshida and Story.
They can weather three years of those guys. This team is set to be cheap over that period. Devers (and Soto) put butts in seats and no, selling your homegrown star while still in his 20s after one year of a 10 year deal is never going to happen, come on.
 

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The Sox aren’t going to use the lure of past Dominican stars in an effort to acquire Soto and then…trade away their current Dominican star in the small chance these efforts bare fruit.
 

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Sure but he is a lot cheaper. Soto is a much better bat than Devers and they would eventually be playing the same position DH. Better to trade Devers now to a team that would be looking for an alternative LHH Power Bat and get some value.
I have to think about this a bit; but, as someone who advocated trading Devers before he signed his deal, I think there's some merit to this approach ... especially with the infield-influx nearing the majors
 

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I just want to think out loud for a second. I'm not going to get excited about a positive meeting only b/c we are going to hear the same thing about the NY meetings next week. I know there was a fake/satirical X account in one of these Soto threads that said it was down to the Sox and Mets. We know it's not true (yet). But is there a scenario where that could be true? Say, the Sox are ahead of the Jays in the Soto hunt. There has been some talk about the Yankees' financials and could the luxury tax bill limit what they'd be willing to offer? I have no idea if it's true but it may at least get the Sox on at least equal footing with them? Who knows but I do not think the financials part of it should be just dismissed nowadays.

Subject No. 2 Say they landed Soto, do they still spend enough to trade for Crochet and sign Fried? ( Soto or not I think they need 2 SPs)
 

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Manny makes an interesting comparison here. Notwithstanding the differences in luxury tax penalties, as a portion of the tax, Manny’s salary would scale to ~40M AAV now.

Soto is entering free agency three years younger than Manny did before signing with the Sox and he’s had better early career numbers, once you adjust for era. The offset here is the steepness of repeater tax penalties, but I’m sure Soto, Boras, et al. are well aware of all these facts and will negotiate with them in mind.

As a thought exercise, I’d be earmarking 50M AAV for Soto on the Sox.
 
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Subject No. 2 Say they landed Soto, do they still spend enough to trade for Crochet and sign Fried? ( Soto or not I think they need 2 SPs)
Would they invest in a top-end FA SP on top of Soto? That’s a lot to expect. Especially with the bullpen needs. An Eovaldi or Martinez could work, maybe. However…

Signing Soto not only doesn’t lessen the likelihood of a trade for a top-half-of-the-rotation starter, it increases it. They’ll want a cost-controlled arm with Soto’s W-2 on the ledger, and have plenty of assets to get it. Hell, they could get two.
 

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Subject No. 2 Say they landed Soto, do they still spend enough to trade for Crochet and sign Fried? ( Soto or not I think they need 2 SPs)
They don’t. They have four good ones (Houck, Giolito, Crawford, and Bello), two in the wings (Priester, Fitts), and even some back of the rotation prospects behind them (Dobbins, Gonzalez, possibly Coffey). If they trade for Crochet they’ve solidified the rotation. Similarly if they sign Fried they’re set. Unless they (and Chicago) view Abreu and Crawford as the price for Crochet (essentially giving them an entire rotation of front half starters).
 
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They don’t. They have four good ones (Houck, Giolito, Crawford, and Bello), two in the wings (Priester, Fitts), and even some back of the rotation prospects behind them (Dobbins, Gonzalez, possibly Coffey). If they trade for Crochet they’ve solidified the rotation. Similarly if they sign Fried they’re set. Unless they (and Chicago) view Abreu and Crawford as the price for Crochet (essentially giving them an entire rotation of front half starters).
Are we really classifying Bello and Giolito as “good” starters? The former has been mediocre at best, the latter coming off TJS and under contract for only one more season. I don’t think the presence of either should factor into the decisions with the rotation this offseason
 

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Are we really classifying Bello and Giolito as “good” starters? The former has been mediocre at best, the latter coming off TJS and under contract for only one more season. I don’t think the presence of either should factor into the decisions with the rotation this offseason
This was kind of my point. Just because you have those guys shouldn't preclude you from trying to trade for Crochet AND try and sign one of the top SP. Doing so could also improve the pen by having Crawford and Whitlock as multi-inning swingman. Again just thinking out loud
 

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Are we really classifying Bello and Giolito as “good” starters? The former has been mediocre at best, the latter coming off TJS and under contract for only one more season. I don’t think the presence of either should factor into the decisions with the rotation this offseason
Giolito was also not great in 2022, and although he was very good in 2023 before he was traded, he got the holy hell beaten out of him afterward (21 HR allowed in 63 innings).

There are certainly reasons to be optimistic, but the range of outcomes for Giolito, even if he is able to pitch a significant number of innings, is pretty wide.
 

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I think there's a definite need for at least one SP, and preferably two - say Fried and Crochet.

From an organizational standpoint, I also think it's a bad idea to be too bullish on Houck. He was great this year, and I hope he will continue to be great. But I also think it's important to recognize he hasn't established a year-to-year track record of being an ace. He could go out and put up a 3.10 ERA or whatever again, but it could also be closer to, or over 4 next season too. If it was me, I'd want to do due diligence and set it up so Houck is my #3 starter. And if he repeats 2024, great.
 

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It's always a good idea to try to secure better players (position players and pitchers) for your team. Also, as is always the case, cost matters. I think the Sox are in an interesting position with their starting rotation. They could be really good or they could be pretty awful - there's a wide range of possible outcomes for this group. It makes upgrading them a little challenging unless you're willing to pay a huge cost. And then if you pay the cost, it's possible that you end up with only a marginal upgrade, if you get one at all.
 

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What would extensions for Houck and Casas look like? What about guys like Roman Anthony and any of Teel, Mayer, and Teel we may want to extend? Would the Wander Franco (11/$182M) contract be a good comp?

We've got roughly $77M to play with in 2025, but that number increases to $134M in 2026, $141M in 2027, $185M in 2028, and $188M in 2029. Aside from 2025, that's not factoring in arb increases.

If you sign Soto for say $48M/yr, Fried for $27M/yr, Scott for $14M/yr, trade for Crochet ($3M arb) - that's $92M, which would put the team over the first threshold by about $15M - or $5M under the second threshold if that's the ceiling. First time offense, the penalty would be about $3M.

In 2026, we'd be looking at some decisions. Houck, Durran, Crawford would all be hitting their Arb2 season, and Crochet would be Arb 3. Payroll would be starting at $199M before getting to the those four arb guys, with about $45M in space under the threshold. Casas would be getting bumped up to somewhere in the $3-5M range in his Arb 1 year... Conner Wong would be hitting arbitration too, and that might be a good time to deal him if Teel is MLB ready. Then you have guys like Winck, Bernardino, Kelly, and Romy all hitting arb - all presumably with some trade value, and all likely fungible to some degree.

Feel like it's possible to go a bit nuts this offseason, and maybe squeeze under the threshold in 2026 - though the bullpen may make that a challenge.

The luxury tax does get kind of stupid expensive with the rates if you do one or more of a) go over more than two years in a row, and/or b) spend more than $281M in any number of years.

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I do think we can go out and get Soto, Fried, Scott, and Crochet - and do a dance where we dip out of the luxury tax bracket every year or two and reset - essentially living in the 20~42% brackets otherwise. Maybe you need to move on from Duran and deal him towards the end of his arb years - but even that has value.

Letting star players go at the right time, either via trade or free agency, is probably fine with most fans. It's just that this organization hasn't been really good at identifying which are the right ones at the right time over the past years (namely keeping Sale, losing Betts... losing Lester
 

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Are we really classifying Bello and Giolito as “good” starters? The former has been mediocre at best, the latter coming off TJS and under contract for only one more season. I don’t think the presence of either should factor into the decisions with the rotation this offseason
Giolito didn’t have Tommy John surgery, he got the brace procedure, he’ll be fine. Bello was off in the first half of ‘24, but pretty good in the second half and good in ‘23. He also takes the ball every five days. Even if he gives you 30 starts of average pitching, that’s a real asset. Again, you don’t need five top of the rotation pitchers to compete. If you did no one would be able to compete.

If you sign Soto for say $48M/yr, Fried for $27M/yr, Scott for $14M/yr, trade for Crochet ($3M arb) - that's $92M, which would put the team over the first threshold by about $15M - or $5M under the second threshold if that's the ceiling.
This is what I keep getting at. Tanner Scott fills a gaping hole on this staff. Fried and Crochet don’t. I’d rather, by far, they trade for Crochet and work out a team friendly extension and then chase after Scott to solidify a shaky pen. Fried and Crochet are going to eat up a lot cash, and still leave them in need of someone like Scott. Which puts a damper on any pursuit of Soto (or even lesser hitters).
 
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I don’t think there’s a strong reason to assume the Sox are staying under the luxury tax threshold.

An offseason where we sign Soto and Fried, trade for Crochet, trade for a couple of expensive relievers, and trade Yoshida for two guys whose salaries roughly his own AAV looks like this. It’s not particularly expensive. It’s a shade over the 2025 tax threshold, and easy to dip back under in a year or two when it might matter.

Also, I think trading Devers would register as the single most contemptible thing the team could do right now.
 

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This is what I keep getting at. Tanner Scott fills a gaping hole on this staff. Fried and Crochet don’t. I’d rather, by far, they trade for Crochet and work out a team friendly extension and then chase after Scott to solidify a shaky pen. Fried and Crochet are going to eat up a lot cash, and still leave them in need of someone like Scott. Which puts a damper on any pursuit of Soto (or even lesser hitters).
I think they can, and should, try to get Soto and Fried and Scott and Crochet though. I think they can do all of that.

I think there's an argument to replacing "Fried" with Santander or Teoscar - but that would involve getting Yoshida off the roster somehow. And if... if... you're able to find someone to take Yoshida's contract - then I don't see why they can't get the four players I mentioned above, and add Teoscar or Santander or similar player to the mix.

If you're signing Soto - you should be looking at the $261M cap, not the $241M cap.
 

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It's just that this organization hasn't been really good at identifying which are the right ones at the right time over the past years (namely keeping Sale, losing Betts... losing Lester
Losing Bogaerts seems okay, taken in isolation from how Story's deal has gone.
 

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If you're signing Soto - you should be looking at the $261M cap, not the $241M cap.
I am, and the desirability of extending guys like Anthony, Campbell, and Teel. My guess is that Soto’s going to bill out at $45 mill per, Fried plus Crochet around $50 million, and Scott $16-$18 million. That devours a lot of financial flexibility for teams like Boston whose financial muscle was reduced by the current revenue sharing regime.
 

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I am, and the desirability of extending guys like Anthony, Campbell, and Teel. My guess is that Soto’s going to bill out at $45 mill per, Fried plus Crochet around $50 million, and Scott $16-$18 million. That devours a lot of financial flexibility for teams like Boston whose financial muscle was reduced by the current revenue sharing regime.
Soto plus Fried plus a trade ‘n’ extend for Crochet all seem doable to me, but I’m having a hard time convincing myself they’ll be in on Tanner Scott. He gives me serious B.J. Ryan vibes.

This FO doesn’t tend to acquire pitchers who wildly overperform their FIP in prior years, especially relievers. The opposite has sometimes been true with guys like Chris Martin, Joely Rodriguez, Schreiber, Ottavino. I feel like this particular regime (Bailey, Willard, Boddy and now Smith and Scott) is invigorated by the task of molding young/discarded pitchers rather than spend on a top shelf one.

I imagine we’ll see something like Martin re-signing, maybe another dirt cheap guy who looks way better under the hood (John Brebbia?) coming in, and/or a trade for Camilo Doval. And then we’ll see something wacky like Zach Penrod leading the team in reliever WAR.
 

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Even if it’s not Scott, the bullpen is their issue. They really need to bring in a relief ace more than they need two front line starters when they already have four with two in the wings.
 

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I'm 100% behind Eovaldi being the next move.
And then I'd be satisfied with my starting pitching, and I'd turn my attention to the outfield. Is there a good "one of our outfielders for a young cost controlled closer" trades out there?
 

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I'm 100% behind Eovaldi being the next move.
And then I'd be satisfied with my starting pitching, and I'd turn my attention to the outfield. Is there a good "one of our outfielders for a young cost controlled closer" trades out there?
No, but Hamilton to SF for one of their relievers makes a lot of sense.
 

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Even if it’s not Scott, the bullpen is their issue. They really need to bring in a relief ace more than they need two front line starters when they already have four with two in the wings.
Yeah the bullpen needs some help, but Between Hendricks and Whitlock returning i think the bullpen is closer than it appeared late last year. I keep questioning the bullpen depth last season - they were leveraged a ton and then they started dropping. The reserves left alit to be desired, or attest we got the downside of their variance.
 

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I think Houck gives them a solid #2 but they still need a #1 starter. The next priorty is a closer. My question is if Scott signs somewhere else who do you go after? I cannot have faith that Whitlock & Hendricks will be healthy all season.
 

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Saw on a MLB chat that they predict Helsley to get traded....Is he a realistic trade target and if so what does it take to get him?
I've been thinking that David Hamilton was a good matchup for a late-inning reliever. I was imagining to the Giants (above), but given that Chaim Bloom is now running things in STL, I kind of expect that to happen. They match up almost perfectly per BTV.
 

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Eh trading for one year of a reliever doesn't seem like how this club likes to use resources, I'm skeptical about that.
 

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I don’t buy David Hamilton as legit at all, I don’t think he has one MLB quality tool other than his speed. I’d happily trade him for one year of a legit reliever, assuming they make other improvements to turn the team into a legit contender.
 

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I don’t buy David Hamilton as legit at all, I don’t think he has one MLB quality tool other than his speed. I’d happily trade him for one year of a legit reliever, assuming they make other improvements to turn the team into a legit contender.
I’m with you. With Story, Mayer, Rafaela, Campbell, Grissom at MI, a LOT would have to go wrong for Hamilton to get meaningful PT next year. I would gladly trade him for 1 year of Hesley, one of the better RP in the league. But Chaim wouldn’t do that.
 

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Helsley just signed a 1;year / 3.8 million dollar contract to avoid arbitration. I believe he has 1 more year of arbitration after this. He made all MLB this past year. I guess the question is how much would St. Louis demand for a closer with 2 years of control left? They have a young SS (Mason Wynn) and CF (Michael Siani) but there system is pretty bare.as their top prospect JJ Wetherholt (3rd base) was in Single A. I’m pretty sure they would want one of the big three/four, but I wouldn’t give one of them up and I don’t think they would want Hamilton so maybe Meidroth and Blaze Jordan??? If I remember correctly, Bloom was really high on Jordan. Just my opinion…
 

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FA have utill Jan 31st to sign unless u can sign after that date but the most a player could get is 1y 25 mil and teams wouild lose their 1st round pick if they signed a FA after jan 31st
 

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DRS and OAA both liked Hamilton quite well at 2B this year, but he spent about twice as much time at SS out of necessity and was bad there. A plus defensive profile raises his floor pretty considerably, I'd think.
 
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I’m with you. With Story, Mayer, Rafaela, Campbell, Grissom at MI, a LOT would have to go wrong for Hamilton to get meaningful PT next year. I would gladly trade him for 1 year of Hesley, one of the better RP in the league. But Chaim wouldn’t do that.
I think it’s pretty easy to imagine a scenario where Hamilton gets plenty of time. Rafaela plays OF, Mayer and Campbell aren’t ready or the team doesn’t want to start their service time clock, Story or Grissom suck or get hurt

I don’t think either of the two kids are sure things to be in Boston at all in 2025. I don’t think it’s likely Grissom and Story are both healthy and productive players. Should be plenty of opportunity for Hamilton.
 

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I think it’s pretty easy to imagine a scenario where Hamilton gets plenty of time. Rafaela plays OF, Mayer and Campbell aren’t ready or the team doesn’t want to start their service time clock, Story or Grissom suck or get hurt

I don’t think either of the two kids are sure things to be in Boston at all in 2025. I don’t think it’s likely Grissom and Story are both healthy and productive players. Should be plenty of opportunity for Hamilton.
Mayer and Campbell are both in AAA. The odds of neither being a factor in 2025 are pretty low. Again, never say never but Hamilton is far more likely to spend most of his time next year in AAA. And he’s a 27 year-old non-prospect. Pure fungible depth.