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Jerrygarciaparra

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So I went to put on a pair of socks and one of my toenails came right off.

I'm hoping I can just keep it wrapped up in a bandaid or something

I'm guessing my shoes are a little too small as well
 

perfectgedman

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Wondering if anyone has heard of this insane endeavor -- http://www.lanyfootrace.com/

It appears to be a transcontinental footrace, run in daily stages a la the Tour de France, but without any rest days. They apparently average 46 miles a day for 70 straight days. Right now there are 8 competitors left and they are somewhere in the middle of Pennsylvania. The finish is next week in Central Park.

As if that all wasn't astounding enough, the British entry has a penchant for stopping at every McDonald's he passes for a big mac and a milkshake.

http://www.runningandstuff.com/ram/

I find all of this extremely difficult to comprehend.
 

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So I have ran about 3.5-5 miles a day (more like 3.5 during the winter) 4-6 days a week. This has been the routine for about 3/4 years. This summer I upped it to 4/8/12 miles and tried to do each route 2 times a week. Here's my question. I haven't gotten a new pair of shoes in like 2 1/2 years or so. The smell reallly bad, so i washed them and, stupid me, put them in the dryer and the insoles, of course, shrank. I went and got some running insoles, used them for about 4 days and the pain in my toes was unbearable. I got blood blisters in 3 different places. I took them out and put in an old pair's insoles, and everything returned to normal in a couple days. Whats the deal here?
 

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I have run in other shoes and my feet always hurt. I have bought new omnes, down then maybe like 20-30 moles, but they kill my feet and I always end up back with the old pair
 

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Yeah, seriously, what PH said. Go to a good running store (i.e. not Dick's or Olympia) and talk with the most knowledgable person in the store about shoes. They should be able to help you with choosing the right shoes. Or, alternately, if you are happy with the current shoes, just buy a new model of that kind of shoe.
 

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Traut - awesome. Read it cover-to-cover first. Then think about your carve-outs/cheats. It's not realistic to follow it 100%. But following the main principles (eating pretty much only lean protein, healthy fats, fresh fruit and fresh veggies) and cutting out all the processed crap, you will be amazed at the results. I'm back on it now after being completely dissolute for a while after Placid and am already seeing changes to my body after one week. You'll love it. Look forward to hearing how you feel six weeks from now.
 
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In case anyone cares, I went to this and was fairly underwhelmed. There were some OK deals on singlets ($10-15) and tops ($15-20). I got an Asics performance long sleever to try out for $20. Tights and pants were $30-50, which I don't consider a bargain and outdoor jackets were half off, which meant they were $65-85, again, not a bargain IMO. A mix of hideous Brooks, Asics, Nikes were on sale for $40, but sizes were very, very limited and I was there before noon.

Will probably be shopping for deals online at Road Runner and The Clymb next time.
 

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Josh, I'm almost done with Paleo for Athletes. I'm sold. What did you eat the night before your marathon and the morning of? I'm running 20 this week and am doing a dry run of my nutrition plan. I'm thinking two hard boiled eggs and a banana for breakfast followed by a gu about an hour later (10 minutes prior to the start of my run).
 

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[quote name='Trautwein's Degree' timestamp='1316566416' post='3750651']
Josh, I'm almost done with Paleo for Athletes. I'm sold. What did you eat the night before your marathon and the morning of? I'm running 20 this week and am doing a dry run of my nutrition plan. I'm thinking two hard boiled eggs and a banana for breakfast followed by a gu about an hour later (10 minutes prior to the start of my run).
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Ryan - I am coming around to the view that for long events, pre-race and race day nutrition should be very light and pretty much exactly the same as your daily nutrition. If you try to "load up" in amounts you aren't eating on a regular basis, you threaten to overwhelm your system with calories and nutrients that your body then has to spend precious energy to metabolize. It steals energy and blood flow from the muscles and diverts them to the GI tract, which at the margin of a long race like a marathon can cause fatigue problems at the later stages. If you've been training and eating well, your body is already adequately fuel loaded and your energy pathways are ready to deliver the amount of fuel you need to get through a long race without needing an extra loading of calories. So I keep the pre-race and race-day nutrition light and simple and along the lines of what I already eat. Two eggs and a banana sounds pretty good - protein and some low-GI carbs, but not too much - that's pretty much what I had right before Ironman. As for the pre-race GU, I don't think it'll make much of a difference. A lot of people do it, and it doesn't hurt. I prefer a blast of caffeine (like coffee or a Five Hour Energy) prior to the gun going off, but a GU is fine. It's about 90 calories of mainly maltodextrin, which takes about 10-15 minutes to hit the bloodstream in a usable form, and you are using a bit more anaerobic energy at the very beginning of a long race, so it can be a bit of a boost.

The fact is that pre-race fueling starts months in advance of a race, not days, so if you've been eating well and feeling good, your body is ready from a fuel standpoint. Just don't surprise it with something you're not used to. And doing a dry run of your pre-race nutrition set-up is a really good idea. Be interested to hear how it goes.

BTW I have done some really interesting research on athletic nutrition lately (am becoming a certified coach and personal trainer), so if you'd like some more discussion on the matter, I'd be happy to do that either here or offline.
 

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Hi SoSH Running Dogs. This forum, Fris, and a few other experts, really helped inspire me to run a few years back. I learned of Hal Higdon here and his simple training programs have gotten me through a couple of half marathons since.
Hal Higdon is awesome!

Now training for a Rock and Roll Half Marathon on December 4th. It is in Las Vegas, starts at Mandalay Bay and goes out to downtown and back to Mandalay Bay for the finish. They close Las Vegas Blvd. completely for the race, one of the few times this ever happens. It is pretty flat and they have great entertainment all along the course. The race is held in the early evening so you get the added benefit of all the sparkly lights on the whole strip as seen through an endorphin induced euphoria!
 

Jerrygarciaparra

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[quote name='Trautwein's Degree' timestamp='1317057675' post='3767250']
Roll your hips and the outside of your legs.
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Got some stretches out of a book to try as well.

I guess I should lower my expectations for this race and just be happy to finish
 

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You could also find a good massage therapist and ask him/her to work on your IT band. It hurts, but it did wonders for mine. Loosened it right up.

Hey Traut, check your PMs. I sent you one last week.
 

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I think I might have Iliotibial band syndrome ... six days before my Half Marathon. I hope I don't miss it

I'll stay off it for the week. Ice it. Knee brace. I understand the course is flat which should help

Oh I'm going to be pissed if I can't run that race.
A knee brace made mine worse. Just do something else until the race, you've got the miles in already. Which half are you doing?
 

Jerrygarciaparra

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I'm doing the Leaf Peepers Half Marathon in Waterbury VT

So I streched it a lot today, and used the foam roller to loosen up the band.

I have logged a lot of miles, and I hear it's a flat course.
 

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Twas very nice to meet Jerrygarciaparra today--he and my brother did the half marathon, I did the 5K, free bagels and green mountain coffee enjoyed by all.

Pleased with my time--I haven't run a race in at least 12 years, so anything under 30 minutes was good, and I shuffled in at 29 minutes. And to be honest, the crowd bottleneck for the first mile probably added some time. On the other hand, I might have gacked the end had I not shuffled the beginning, so who knows?

Waterbury was hit shockingly hard by Irene, which is still quite evident.
 

Jerrygarciaparra

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I had hoped to break two hours but came in at around 2:03 according to my watch. The offical results aren't online yet

I got an email from a friend saying because of the course changes due to Hurricane Irene it was actually 13.3 miles. So maybe I did meet my goal? I did come pretty damn close all things considered

My IT band thing was a problem ; it got really tight about a third of the way into the race and I had to just run through it, and even had to walk on a couple of the uphills, something I was hoping I wouldnt do

So a mixed bag all-in-all. I'm happy and proud of myself for finshing my first Half Marathon. But I feel like there's room for improvement. And I guess I have to stay off the It band thing for at least a couple of weeks.

The REAL question is registration opens today for Vermont City Marathon in May. It's a great goal to work towards, but maybe it's too soon?
 

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I had hoped to break two hours but came in at around 2:03 according to my watch. The offical results aren't online yet

I got an email from a friend saying because of the course changes due to Hurricane Irene it was actually 13.3 miles. So maybe I did meet my goal? I did come pretty damn close all things considered

My IT band thing was a problem ; it got really tight about a third of the way into the race and I had to just run through it, and even had to walk on a couple of the uphills, something I was hoping I wouldnt do

So a mixed bag all-in-all. I'm happy and proud of myself for finshing my first Half Marathon. But I feel like there's room for improvement. And I guess I have to stay off the It band thing for at least a couple of weeks.

The REAL question is registration opens today for Vermont City Marathon in May. It's a great goal to work towards, but maybe it's too soon?
Not too soon. Marathon training is 18 weeks long. You're good to go assuming you have a reasonable level of fitness and can handle a six mile run. Continue to keep yourself in shape. Follow Higdon's novice I program. Start training at the end of January. Your IT Band should be well healed by late January.

DO NOT DEPRIVE YOURSELF OF THE AWESOMENESS OF FINISHING VCM!!!!
 

Jerrygarciaparra

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My offical time was 2:03:13

I came in 306 out of 592 so middle of the pack there.

50 out of 69 for my age group ... damn! that 40 to 49 year old age group is freaking tough
 

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My offical time was 2:03:13

I came in 306 out of 592 so middle of the pack there.

50 out of 69 for my age group ... damn! that 40 to 49 year old age group is freaking tough

I'm impressed with anybody who runs a half marathon, regardless of how you finish...

I came in 152 out of 377, and 19 out of 58 for age group for the 5K.
And the person who finished right behind me was 8--I beat an eight year old! Go me!
 

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2008 BAA Half Marathon
13.28 miles, 1:45:25, 7:56 pace.

Mile 1: 8:50
Mile 2: 8:12
Mile 3: 8:12
Mile 4: 8:00
Mile 5: 7:59
Mile 6: 8:09
Mile 7: 8:08 (water)
Mile 8: 7:34
Mile 9: 7:41
Mile 10: 7:43
Mile 11: 7:42 (water)
Mile 12: 7:31
Mile 13: 7:45
Mile 13.28: 6:47

Conditions were absolutely perfect. Started at 8am, very cool, dry, clear. I had it in my head to aim for 8:00, but I didn't really think I'd get it (in May I did 8:23). I tried to pace myself and do negative splits, particularly keeping my breathing nice and easy. At some point I realized I had a shot at 8:00, so I planned to try and maintain my average around 8:15, and then pick it up around mile 9 when I took my gel. I was at about 8:05 when I took that gel. I didn't start breathing heavily until I picked it up after the last water stop, and then not really hard until the last half mile. That damn left hamstring started twitching again, though not badly, with about two miles left to go, which is all that I felt was holding me back.





....holy shit!
PSYCH-UP BUMP

Three years ago I did that and had starry-eyed visions of an imminent BQ. Three years of progressively annoying injuries later, I've completely rebuilt and remade myself as a runner, and on Sunday, I'm going back to the BAA Half better, stronger, and smarter. PR or bust.
 

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PSYCH-UP BUMP

Three years ago I did that and had starry-eyed visions of an imminent BQ. Three years of progressively annoying injuries later, I've completely rebuilt and remade myself as a runner, and on Sunday, I'm going back to the BAA Half better, stronger, and smarter. PR or bust.
Good luck! Hope to meet you Sunday. The weather is concerning me, I definately thought I'd PR, my runs have all gone well. But those temps...yikes!!
 

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2011 BAA Half Marathon: 13.34mi, 01:41:39, 7:37 min/mi (Garmin time).

HOLY SHIT. I started with the 7:00 crowd, but I held back for the first mile, because it was all downhill and I knew that I'd be passing all the people passing me later on. No problems until the first turnaround except a little left achilles tightness. I took a wide berth at the turnaround, but still sort of crushed my left toes.

Skipped the first two water stops and got Gatorade and water at six miles. I wanted to take my GU at the 8 Mile marker, but the eighth mile was very hilly and I couldn't find a good time. Finally just started sipping it at like 8.75. I attacked every hill hard. My right foot and leg were starting to get sore, so I tried to lighten my footfalls. I was holding HR in the low 180s, bumping up for the hills and settling back down, and I started targeting 7:45min/mi. The GU kicked in exactly when I needed it to. There was another turnaround at 10 miles which I survived better. I knew there was one last big hill at 11 miles, so I saved some energy and pretended I was just doing a weekly 2-mile G Street Hill run, and then cruised up it at like 6:50, passing a ton of people. Do hills, kids.

After that was a narrow and turning path through the zoo that I had to dial back on, but that was fine because it let me save something for the end. Right as we came out of there I passed a guy wearing KSOs and gave him a "nice shoes" then sped past him. The final mile was a bit of a slog - twice my right calf cramped briefly, bringing back horrible memories of Phoenix when my left hamstring practically tore off the bone and killed my time. But the calf held, even when I hit the afterburners for the final quarter mile and the finish on the track. My old PR was 7:56. It was a killer course, too. The last three miles were insane. I still don't believe this.

Splits: 7:56, 8:01, 7:52, 7:30, 7:46 (turnaround), 7:36, 7:57 (water), 7:35, 7:26, 7:36 (water, turn around), 7:34, 7:15 (big long hill), 7:20 (zoo), 6:23 (.34mi).
 

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I'm dehyrdating pineapple tonight to be used for carbo loading later this week. At the grocery store, I couldn't believe how much sugar commercial vendors add to dehyrdated fruits. On Paleo, any fruit that is sweet, tastes much sweeter than it used to prior to starting paleo.
 

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[quote name='Trautwein's Degree' timestamp='1318206509' post='3800279']
I'm dehyrdating pineapple tonight to be used for carbo loading later this week. At the grocery store, I couldn't believe how much sugar commercial vendors add to dehyrdated fruits. On Paleo, any fruit that is sweet, tastes much sweeter than it used to prior to starting paleo.
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Fruit carbs are the best! Just be sure to drink extra water when you eat dried fruit. It absorbs a lot of water from your GI tract that you'll need to replace.
 

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I had hoped to break two hours but came in at around 2:03 according to my watch. The offical results aren't online yet

I got an email from a friend saying because of the course changes due to Hurricane Irene it was actually 13.3 miles. So maybe I did meet my goal? I did come pretty damn close all things considered

My IT band thing was a problem ; it got really tight about a third of the way into the race and I had to just run through it, and even had to walk on a couple of the uphills, something I was hoping I wouldnt do

So a mixed bag all-in-all. I'm happy and proud of myself for finshing my first Half Marathon. But I feel like there's room for improvement. And I guess I have to stay off the It band thing for at least a couple of weeks.

The REAL question is registration opens today for Vermont City Marathon in May. It's a great goal to work towards, but maybe it's too soon?

You ran your very first half marathon in 2:03? Good lord, that's awesome. Congratulations!
 

Jerrygarciaparra

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Thanks sass ... I do have a lot to be proud of. I REALLY wanted to break two hours though.

Going to rest my IT band for one more week. Then I have a 10 k to get ready for

Nice job on the BAA all of you.
 
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Great job, JG. That is amazing for a first. I did my first half on Sunday (BAA half) in Boston. As Taller mentioned, a real tough course under difficult heat conditions. Truly I should be happy just to finish before the street sweepers came by, which I did.

I am going to look into winter maintenance and cross training with an eye on some halfs and/or shorter races next spring. Barring any injuries, am giving some thought to do NY in 2012. I will never do Boston (too hard, too difficult to qualify) and really have no desire to after this weekend.
 

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Thanks sass ... I do have a lot to be proud of. I REALLY wanted to break two hours though.

Going to rest my IT band for one more week. Then I have a 10 k to get ready for

Nice job on the BAA all of you.
Smart resting it.

Blah on the BAA Half - worst finish I ever had. It was truly a tough course with the weather being a bitch. As TTP said in his DM post, do your hills! Super proud of PH on her finish - she did spectacular on her first half.

Richmond now has a bulls-eye on it for me to PR - and those hills are a lot easier.
 

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2011 BAA Half Marathon: 13.34mi, 01:41:39, 7:37 min/mi (Garmin time).

......lots of good stuff...
Wow, that is a great performance, in less than ideal October running weather. Probably should have seen this coming the way you have been picking up speed in the last few weeks. Those 9 min mile pace training runs must be really easy these days. I recall you making a comment on DM about some day getting a BQ. This race shows it is possible down the road as you continue to build miles and improve. The splits show you probably could have gone even faster in ideal conditions, maybe sub 1:40.
 

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My plan is to get down to a 7:00 half, then start thinking about BQ. I'm thinking a reasonable time frame is getting that 7:00 at the 2013 Run to Remember, then doing Lowell again in the fall for the BQ. Maybe that's too generous, but thinking about doing it faster is just a recipe for repeating what I did three years ago.

In the meantime there's Paddy's on Sunday. My best three mile time is 20:04. Tantalizing.

I still want to get up to the weekly miles of a marathoner. I topped out at 27 miles per week with a 16 long run, and I'd like to get that to 40/20 over the winter. I just won't actually run any marathons.
 

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My plan is to get down to a 7:00 half, then start thinking about BQ. I'm thinking a reasonable time frame is getting that 7:00 at the 2013 Run to Remember, then doing Lowell again in the fall for the BQ. Maybe that's too generous, but thinking about doing it faster is just a recipe for repeating what I did three years ago.

In the meantime there's Paddy's on Sunday. My best three mile time is 20:04. Tantalizing.
7 min half is 1:31:xx and I believe your BQ is 3:10. Your plan sounds about right. I sense a lot of tempo work in your future.