SoSH Breaks / Feb 2023 - 2022 Topps Stadium Club

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We're breaking 2022 Topps Stadium Club!

2022 Topps Stadium Club Baseball Hobby 16-Box Case (Factory Fresh) - https://www.dacardworld.com/sports-cards/2022-topps-stadium-club-baseball-hobby-16-box-case-factory-fresh

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/2022-topps-stadium-club-baseball-cards

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$85 total


Here are the biggest hits from the break on 2/24/2023:

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Mugsy's Jock

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Please save me a spot, and thanks for taking the initiative.

2022 Topps Archive is fantastic, and StadiumClub is always a delight.

or could hunt for a Bowman 2023 set — probably coming soon?
 
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For product Stadium Club is always nice looking. 2023 Topps Series 1 is out this week, both are reasonably priced. For slightly higher end I have enjoyed the Topps Finest breaks I've joined and the Bowman Chrome one we did was fun (Triple Threads was too but that may have gone up too much since)

Format wise I'm down for pretty much anything. If we don't get 30 people it may be worth combining teams with fewer hit options into a slot to give some more juice
 
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For product Stadium Club is always nice looking. 2023 Topps Series 1 is out this week, both are reasonably priced. For slightly higher end I have enjoyed the Topps Finest breaks I've joined and the Bowman Chrome one we did was fun (Triple Threads was too but that may have gone up too much since)

Format wise I'm down for pretty much anything. If we don't get 30 people it may be worth combining teams with fewer hit options into a slot to give some more juice
This is good and something we can discuss. As we all know the later picks tend to not be so fun and it certainly can be discouraging getting later picks when participating in these breaks. Do we want to shoot for 30 slots? Or something like 25 and combine select teams? I'm down for anything that makes it the most fun for everyone. I just want to be sure slots 25-30 (or whatever) are at least somewhat excited to participate AND that those people will return for future breaks.

FYI...I've added some prices for sets mentioned in the first post so we can start getting more of an idea of what we're after.
 

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OK that makes 20...do we want to stop for this break, or push for 30? 25? I'm down for whatever, and I can keep going and/or start a second/reserved list.
 

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OK that makes 20...do we want to stop for this break, or push for 30? 25? I'm down for whatever, and I can keep going and/or start a second/reserved list.
Do we know an approximate cost here? I'd love to jump in just want an idea of what it's gonna be.
 

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OK that makes 20...do we want to stop for this break, or push for 30? 25? I'm down for whatever, and I can keep going and/or start a second/reserved list.
My gut feels like 25 is a good number but it may depend on the product. Most of those have some teams that really appreciate a second team but generally at least 20 teams have a good mix of hits and/or higher end players. Open to whatever though
 

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Do we know an approximate cost here? I'd love to jump in just want an idea of what it's gonna be.
I think it'll vary a lot of product and number of entries. Based on the prices above, if we do 25 slots, the midtier products (SC, Archives, or Finest) seem like they shuffle out to 70ish a slot assuming we comp the breakers spot and add in shipping and packaging costs? Guessing a bit here. The more experienced folks would know more here
 

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Depends what product and how many cases of that product.
Yeah, I get that. I just think if a product was settled on, and therefore a cost, more people might be willing to say yes.

Then again, you get 20+ already so maybe not.
 

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My gut feels like 25 is a good number but it may depend on the product. Most of those have some teams that really appreciate a second team but generally at least 20 teams have a good mix of hits and/or higher end players. Open to whatever though
I agree that 25 feels like the best number. I went ahead and set the sign up for 25 for now, but we can adjust as-needed of course.

And as you also mentioned, we were around $70 per slot for our last break, which brings us to $1,750. If that's our budget, we're looking something like:

1 case of Stadium Club
1 case of Topps Archives
1.5 cases 2023 Topps Series 1
1 case Topps Finest

I assume Triple Threads is out of the budget, unless we want to rip only like four boxes. Same for Bowman Chrome which would be around six boxes. Even if we up the budget, we don't change a whole lot, correct? $100 per is $2500, but is that enough to warrant the price change?
 

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I agree that 25 feels like the best number. I went ahead and set the sign up for 25 for now, but we can adjust as-needed of course.

And as you also mentioned, we were around $70 per slot for our last break, which brings us to $1,750. If that's our budget, we're looking something like:

1 case of Stadium Club
1 case of Topps Archives
1.5 cases 2023 Topps Series 1
1 case Topps Finest

I assume Triple Threads is out of the budget, unless we want to rip only like four boxes. Same for Bowman Chrome which would be around six boxes. Even if we up the budget, we don't change a whole lot, correct? $100 per is $2500, but is that enough to warrant the price change?
Just for a taste of what Stadium Club would look like if we did that (I don't have a stance, I just know there's a lot of love for Stadium Club here and I agree with it even if this year's Hobby experience was mixed). Assuming adding $5 for shipping and let's just say the breaker's compensation is their slot comped (not forcing that one anyone, I thought it was a nice touch for the work last time, obviously if the breaker pays drop all of these down a few bucks)

30 Entries (29 paid) - $64 to $71 a slot depending on the range of the case, each person gets one team
25 Entries (24 paid) - $76 to $84 a slot depending on the range on the case. The "bottom" five entries get two teams.
20 entries (19 paid) - $95 to $105 a slot depending on the range on the case. The "bottom" ten entries get two teams.

A single eBay auction is not necessarily representative of a fair comp, but I went through the last paid case break on eBay and took their sold prices just as a market determination, below is what the split would look like. This auction had an unusually high price for Baltimore and a couple other teams so thas skews it a bit. A draft solves valuation but takes time, I thought it was fun last time at least to do it that way.

25 entries

STL (19)
CHC (20)
SF/MIA (21/30)
ARZ/WAS (22/29)
OAK/CWS (23/28)
MIL/TEX (24/27)
CLE/COL (25/26)

20 entries
NYM (8)
DET (9)
LAA w/o Ohtani for some reason...normally LAA is higher with him (10)
SD/MIA (11/30)
CIN/WAS (12/29)
PHI/CWS (13/28)
BOS/TEX (14/27)
LAD/COL (15/26)
TOR/CLE (16/25)
BAL/MIL (17/24)
MIN/OAK (18/23)
STL/ARZ (19/22)
CHC/SF (20/21)

I personally like 25 as a nice midground - if other 2022 and 2023 products follow that it at least gives some more hope to folks (as someone who got the lowest ranked team in the Bowman Chrome break we did that would've been nice). I think I got 19th last time we did SC and I at least got to go KeBryan Hayes chasing (and failed). Decent value for that area.

I don't think this changes too much for other products either to be honest, though the 2023 checklist in Topps will 100% shake up those "rankings".

Triple Threads and Chrome seems prohibitive - even at 9 TT boxes at 36 slots (let's say a hit per slot so everyone gets something), we're talking $100 a slot for one "hit" and maybe some base/parallels, likewise with Bowman Chrome $100+ a slot and there's some hopeless teams in there.

The value isn't there if you're looking to hit something that'll pay out like crazy in the future, but if we wanted to do a prospect product I feel like Pro Debut might be more fun and financially sane (where you can spend $1400 and get both a hobby case (48 autos) and a jumbo case (24 autos, some chrome cards) with a pretty solid prospect checklist - albeit stickers everywhere.) A pro debut case and 2023 Topps Case is about priced near our mid-tier for instance.

Edit: For reference, my preferred breaker has a Finest break up with teams in their "default" drafted order. The bottom ten that got paired would be COL/ARZ, CHC/SFG, MIA/BAL, OAK/CLE, MIL/TEX with the Twins being the last "solo" team. Still feels like 25 is the right point to me if other sets follow a similar valuation.
 
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@JoePoulson , thanks again for running with this.

If I remember correctly, last year we combined teams that had little/no hit opportunities into a single slot -- Diamondbacks/Rockies or something like that. After we settle on which set we're breaking, we can look at the checklist and assess who'd really get screwed.

One benefit of breaking Topps Series 1 is that every team is relatively well-represented. Topps Finest, with only 125 cards in the main set, is pretty thin -- most teams only have 4-5 cards, and more than a couple have just 2 or 3. The inserts could always provide surprises, but if you're doing Finest I think every breaker would want 2-3 teams in a snake draft, and that would drive up the cost/breaker.

[Edit: Overlapping post w @Fishercat , who has amazing info above!]
 

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@JoePoulson , thanks again for running with this.

If I remember correctly, last year we combined teams that had little/no hit opportunities into a single slot -- Diamondbacks/Rockies or something like that. After we settle on which set we're breaking, we can look at the checklist and assess who'd really get screwed.

One benefit of breaking Topps Series 1 is that every team is relatively well-represented. Topps Finest, with only 125 cards in the main set, is pretty thin -- most teams only have 4-5 cards, and more than a couple have just 2 or 3. The inserts could always provide surprises, but if you're doing Finest I think every breaker would want 2-3 teams in a snake draft, and that would drive up the cost/breaker.

[Edit: Overlapping post w @Fishercat , who has amazing info above!]
And entirely agreed on Finest which I really do like this year. I think it looks great but it's a small checklist and even a "paired-up" scenario can be kind of bleak unless it's paired with a high-end team. One of my little break treats recently have been A's breaks for Finest because they go for dirt cheap and have two thirds of their 2000s rotation in autos, a couple rookies, and Matt Olson for some reason...but if we did Finest and someone got the A's they'd need an absolute miracle to get close to the value they'd pay (for example in a half-caser I hit a Matt Olson color match auto and a Nick Allen RC to 5 and I don't think I would get $70 for those). If we're doing an "everyone pays equally" deal for Finest, I think it has to be a smaller number of slots than something like Stadium Club or Topps Flagship would be.
 
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Nice work on the price breakdowns on recent eBay auctions. Was gonna do that work today, and I'm a bit familiar as I've bought a few Red sox and various player breaks lately.

We could also do a mix of product, like half case of Stadium Club and a case-ish of Topps 2023 or whatever. I'm down for anything.
 

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Yea I have no problem doubling up as well (or triple or quad or YOLO), but I say we save that for the next break or one soon in the future? My assumption was that most here were planning to spend $70-ish for this break. If not and everyone wants to bump it up, cool, but I'm good with our usual $70-ish here.

For this break, if we stay at $70-ish, I say we cut it at 25 and go with Stadium Club. Why Stadium Club? Because it's leading the votes so far:

Stadium Club = 3
Topps Archives = 1
Topps Finest = 1
Topps Series 1 2023 = 1 (although the most recent post from Fishercat in the Sports Card Mania thread concerns me)

Everyone else has indicated no preference, so their votes will go with the favorite. I, personally, fucking love Stadium Club and can rip it 24x7, so no complaints here. But would just as eagerly rip Archives or Donruss '88. Please feel free to vote differently or discuss, this isn't set in stone. And even if I did order a case of Stadium Club right now, I know we'd get around to ripping it eventually.

If we decide to up the budget on this break, we can go with more Stadium Club or add a second product. Or not.

All that leads me to...

Does anyone have a preference on where to buy a case? I don't have one, but do know of the reputable dealers so can shop around for the best deal. Do we care about "factory fresh" or whatever? Is it worth the extra $50 or so?

Also a question on how would we resolve a "dual signed" card? In this year's SC set are several dual signed cards, one is Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera...do we flip a coin between STL and DET? Just want to be sure we lay down all ground rules ahead of time so there are no surprises.
 

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My vote is a single case run, I think finding a sealed/full case is a good idea just because I know case hits do exist but I'm not too fussy. I'm not opposed if folks do want to add another product - I would prefer if we're going to spend more to add another product for variety and possibly to shore up some of the lower ranked team options but with Jumbo being the only even potentially decent 2023 Topps Format we're either looking at boxes of product or something like Pro Debut which are on the cheap end.
 

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2022 Topps Stadium Club Baseball Hobby 16-Box Case (Factory Fresh)

is $1,854.95, shipped, from dacardworld.

https://www.dacardworld.com/sports-cards/2022-topps-stadium-club-baseball-hobby-16-box-case-factory-fresh

It's the shrinkwrapped case so safe to say we can be sure it's legit and full of all hits. That amount divided by 25 is $74.20...need add a little for shipping, so can we say $80 per slot for a factory sealed case break of 2022 Stadium Club? Is that acceptable to everyone?
Good by me
 

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2022 Topps Stadium Club Baseball Hobby 16-Box Case (Factory Fresh)

is $1,854.95, shipped, from dacardworld.

https://www.dacardworld.com/sports-cards/2022-topps-stadium-club-baseball-hobby-16-box-case-factory-fresh

It's the shrinkwrapped case so safe to say we can be sure it's legit and full of all hits. That amount divided by 25 is $74.20...need add a little for shipping, so can we say $80 per slot for a factory sealed case break of 2022 Stadium Club? Is that acceptable to everyone?
I'm on board with that
 

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2022 Topps Stadium Club Baseball Hobby 16-Box Case (Factory Fresh)

is $1,854.95, shipped, from dacardworld.

https://www.dacardworld.com/sports-cards/2022-topps-stadium-club-baseball-hobby-16-box-case-factory-fresh

It's the shrinkwrapped case so safe to say we can be sure it's legit and full of all hits. That amount divided by 25 is $74.20...need add a little for shipping, so can we say $80 per slot for a factory sealed case break of 2022 Stadium Club? Is that acceptable to everyone?
Game on