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I'm insulted by the picture 24/7 is painting of Manny not being ready for the fight to make it a more compelling matchup.
 

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It is pretty scary. They're painting Margarito as if he's Rocky ready to literally fight for his life and career, all the while showing Manny doing everything BUT training hard. It looks as if Manny might be prime for the picking after watching this 24/7. Still some of the most riveting sports documentary coverage I've ever seen on TV.
 

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After a brutal past 6 months, finally a fight to get excited about!

I like JuanMa over Marquez by mid round TKO.

Both guys are skilled, both can punch, both have shaky chins and leaky defenses. Should be entertaining while it lasts.

At the end of the day, its hard to pick against the guy who's younger, bigger, faster and stronger.
 

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Kelly Pavlik pulled out of his fight against Brian Vera on the Pacman/Margarito undercard. Is Pavlik ever going to fight again?

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At the end of the day, its hard to pick against the guy who's younger, bigger, faster and stronger.

That's the bottom line, isn't it? Especially when the guy who's older, smaller, slower and not as strong has been through a long series of bloody, punishing wars. I'll be thrilled if Rafa wins this fight, but I just can't see it. It's going to take a big mistake by JuanMa coupled with a perfect power shot from Marquez to do the trick. Certainly possible, but I don't think it's going to happen. JuanMa by late stoppage.
 

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Don't forget my man Super Zab Judah is on HBO tonight. DVR it and make it a night cap after the war Juanma and Rafa put on. Robert Guerreo (his wife is a former cancer patient [/KG] ) is also on the card vs. Vincente Escobedo
 

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can't believe I'm typing this...a great night of boxing. finally.

I thought zab did just enough to win that fight. his dad did a great job focusing him early. those rounds were huge.

no more bs. let's see gamboa vs. juanma.
 

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Just watched David Haye stop Audley Harrison in the third in a heavyweight fight which, for some reason, seemed to be a pretty big even in the UK. Haye hits hard, no doubt about it. But Audley Harrison may be the single worst fighter ever to fight for a heavyweight title, or any major title. He never throws a punch.

Afterward Haye "promised" to make a fight with one or both of the Klitschko brothers in 2011. I'll believe that when I see it, too.
 

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That was.....I can't describe it really. "Epic" does not do it justice. That was something out of a fucking movie. I mean holy SHIT did he land that flush.
Emanuel Steward was right. Boxing needs more KOs. In big fights anyway. That was an awesome shot.

I was thinking. Has any fighter ever been the same after getting KTFO'd like that? Like, continued a world-class career?

Not Roy Jones, really. Not Hatton. Anyone?
 

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It feels like its a rare occurrence. Pacquiao got laid out by that 3K Battery guy. Manny was still in his early stages since that happened in 1999.

Oscar Larios suffered a vicious KO in the first fight with Israel Vazquez and went on to be a pretty good fighter for a decade.

Duran got put out by Hearns and probably never was the same, but he did have that great win against Iran Barkley five years later.
 

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It feels like its a rare occurrence. Pacquiao got laid out by that 3K Battery guy. Manny was still in his early stages since that happened in 1999.

Oscar Larios suffered a vicious KO in the first fight with Israel Vazquez and went on to be a pretty good fighter for a decade.

Duran got put out by Hearns and probably never was the same, but he did have that great win against Iran Barkley five years later.
That's interesting. Looking at both times Manny got KO'd via YouTube, they both looked like body shots to me, but it's hard to tell. I didn't remember the Larios thing. Larios actually rocked Pacquiao pretty well the in a fight in the Philippines a few years ago. I think that was actually the last time Manny fought in his home country.

But recovering from a severe KO -- of the "knocked out cold variety" -- like Jones vs Tarver (and Johnson), Hatton v. Pacquiao and Williams last night, seems like a pretty rare thing to me.
 

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Just got home from AC. I've had a good couple weeks of boxing, seeing Lopez-Marquez live, the Pac-Man PPV last week, and the Williams-Martinez fight live last night.

I don't know how it came across on tv, but the shot sounded like a gunshot in the arena, and it was one of the only times I can remember 98% of the arena going silent, as it was a heavily pro-Williams crowd. It looked like he was going to be going off on a stretcher for a few minutes there.

Martinez is sick. I don't know who he can match up against at this point. I love Pac-Man but Martinez doesn't have a big enough name, and I think Martinez would destroy Pacquiao.
 

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Just got home from AC. I've had a good couple weeks of boxing, seeing Lopez-Marquez live, the Pac-Man PPV last week, and the Williams-Martinez fight live last night.

I don't know how it came across on tv, but the shot sounded like a gunshot in the arena, and it was one of the only times I can remember 98% of the arena going silent, as it was a heavily pro-Williams crowd. It looked like he was going to be going off on a stretcher for a few minutes there.

Martinez is sick. I don't know who he can match up against at this point. I love Pac-Man but Martinez doesn't have a big enough name, and I think Martinez would destroy Pacquiao.
I didn't like how Max Kellerman was pushing for a Pacquiao fight for Martinez. It's clear that Martinez is just too big. I think Pacquiao though his greatness has made people who should know better forget that he's still a human being. Fighting a full-fledged middleweight would just be crazy for a guy who's not even really a legitimate welterweight. I don't even want to see that fight. I don't know why Max Kellerman would.
 

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I didn't like how Max Kellerman was pushing for a Pacquiao fight for Martinez. It's clear that Martinez is just too big. I think Pacquiao though his greatness has made people who should know better forget that he's still a human being. Fighting a full-fledged middleweight would just be crazy for a guy who's not even really a legitimate welterweight. I don't even want to see that fight. I don't know why Max Kellerman would.
Which begs the question, if Mayweather wasn't so concerned about his won-loss record, in reality, shouldnt he be a big favorite against Manny? Floyd is bigger, has better defense, is Manny's equal on speed.

Martinez wise, I think he's stuck at 160. I don't think he could bang with the 168 crowd.
 

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hold the line there, they put Manny on a pedestal and big a huge deal about him beating these bigger fighters (really they're freaking corpses) at these ridiculous catch weights that they call divisions and now Martinez is too big?

it'd be pretty hypocritical of top rank (but I'd expect nothing less of arum and roach) to a avoid martinez. but I know they will and put him in there against a shot Shane or Cotto (again).

what Steward should have brought up as boxing's problem was this money grab BS top rank has been on milking manny. instead of fighting legit guys and elevating the sport, he's been fighting showcase fights likes he's some up and comer his promoter is trying to protect.
 

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hold the line there, they put Manny on a pedestal and big a huge deal about him beating these bigger fighters (really they're freaking corpses) at these ridiculous catch weights that they call divisions and now Martinez is too big?

it'd be pretty hypocritical of top rank (but I'd expect nothing less of arum and roach) to a avoid martinez. but I know they will and put him in there against a shot Shane or Cotto (again).

what Steward should have brought up as boxing's problem was this money grab BS top rank has been on milking manny. instead of fighting legit guys and elevating the sport, he's been fighting showcase fights likes he's some up and comer his promoter is trying to protect.

El Uno.

I know you're an unabashed Floyd fan, and that's fine, but here are the facts.

Mayweather's last 5 fights:

Carlos Baldomir-Came in with a sterling record of 43-9 and was slower than Valuev Age at the time of the fight: 35

Oscar De La Hoya-Legit Fight. Floyd won a SD. Age at Fight: 34.

Ricky Hatton-Legit Fight. Floyd with a 10th round TKO. Hatton's age at fight: 29. Hatton had to come up a weight class to fight. His only other match at that class led to a extremely close win vs. Luis Collazo.

Juan Manuel Marquez- Floyd won a boring UD against a 36 year old who came up 2 weight classes to fight Floyd.

Shane Mosely- Floyd won a UD against a shot year old who had been calling Floyd out for years.

So. Mayweather fought someone way below his level, a legit fight in De La Hoya, Made Ricky Hatton go up a weight class to fight, made a 36 year old Marquez go up TWO weight classes to fight, and beat a shot Shane Mosely.

On the other hand. Pacquiao in his last 5 fights, came UP two weight classes and retired De La Hoya from boxing, fought Hatton at Hatton's natural weight and KTFO of him in two rounds, Gave Miguel Cotto a terrible whipping, and then since Floyd wasn't available, whipped Clottey and Margarito.

Floyd had 4 questionable fights, Manny had 2. Difference is Manny has been begging Floyd to fight him, and really has no one else to fight. Floyd has had people begging to fight him for years, and he ducks them unless they come up 12 pounds, or are aged longer than a steak at Batali's steakhouse at the Palazzo.

Martinez is 160. Theres no way Manny can come up two more weight classes and compete. Should he fight the Klitschos next? How much is too much for you Uno? Do you think he should fight Froch?

Meanwhile Floyd would rather fight his ex-girlfriend than Pacquiao.
 

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Boxing overload this Saturday.

I think Abraham-Froch has controversial split decision written all over it.

I think Marquez wins a decision, but only after surviving some dangerous moments.

I'm interested to see if Berto steps up his game and turns in a dominant performance. I think he's plateaued recently, and he has to know everyone is watching him closely now that he's been floated as a potential Pacquiao opponent.

In other news, apparently Floyd has now tried to run someone off the road, in addition to slapping rent-a-cops and threatening ex-girlfriends.
 

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other than clottey, I dont see how anyone with a brain could not see that manny's 4 of manny's last 5 fights were completey shot ZOMBIES who posed no threat.

and two of the bums Floyd fought years before so discrediting Floyd all you want, he got younger, fresher version of those zombies.

look you can still think manny is great and admit he's been strategically matched against guys to make him look superhuman.
 

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other than clottey, I dont see how anyone with a brain could not see that manny's 4 of manny's last 5 fights were completey shot ZOMBIES who posed no threat.

and two of the bums Floyd fought years before so discrediting Floyd all you want, he got younger, fresher version of those zombies.

look you can still think manny is great and admit he's been strategically matched against guys to make him look superhuman.
I think you're a hater through and through, and is now a broken record.

So yeah, by your own accounts Floyd is all-world and Manny is sh*t because Floyd happened to fight "younger and fresher" zombies. Kudos. I'll keep on championing Manny as (deservedly) one of the greatest of all-time, with PBF firmly placed a notch below.

Frankly, Floyd can rot in jail all he wants. That's right - my man is still fighting and breaking 1m+ in PPV - where's yours?
 

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That's probably the 2010 fight of the year.

Marquez is just a brilliant fighter. A true champion.

That was a good stoppage. Katsidis was out on his feet and had no defense. Bayless saved him from a brutal KO.
 

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JMM is my favorite fighter and I'll admit I watched this one hoping he hadn't hit the end of his rope.

Wow -- what a performance.

Not sure if he'd match up as well with Pacquiao as he would've right after their 2nd bout but I'd be a sucker for that PPV.

And Berto looked pretty damned good as well... I saw him fight Cosme Rivera and get knocked on his ass by a clean left hook here in Saratoga a couple of years ago. He bounces right back off his feet like JMM but is definitely far more unpolished. He'd still give any of the best welters (or those willing to make that weight) a great fight if he came in looking to win rather than to show off a new skill.

Great card on HBO tonight... finally.
 

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Also, hats off to Katsidis, not just for the performance but for how he carried himself after the fight.

I get so tired of hearing defeated fighters come up with every excuse in the book (Allan Green, for example). But Katsidis made none whatsoever and instead gave all credit to Marquez, despite the death of his brother weeks before the fight.

Restored some of my faith in boxing after what's been a very disappointing year for the most part.
 

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Also, hats off to Katsidis, not just for the performance but for how he carried himself after the fight.

I get so tired of hearing defeated fighters come up with every excuse in the book (Allan Green, for example). But Katsidis made none whatsoever and instead gave all credit to Marquez, despite the death of his brother weeks before the fight.

Restored some of my faith in boxing after what's been a very disappointing year for the most part.
As in awe I was of Marquez's performance, I was equally impressed by Katsidis. I can't even begin to imagine how difficult it was for him to be out there. He's a true warrior and I'm glad Larry had the sense to end the interview when he saw Katsidis was about to break down.


Great night for boxing all around.
 

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Pacquiao, who has discussed retiring in three years, said at a news conference Monday in Manila that he's willing to fight Marquez again but that the match would probably not excite fans. He sounded doubtful himself, saying "I would not watch Pacquiao vs. Marquez."
Manny is a true politician...oblivious to what people want.

Yes Manny, we would rather watch you fight the Clotteys and Margaritos of the world.

Whomever is chosen to fight Pacquiao, easily the sport's biggest box office attraction, Arum said the fight will be at 147 pounds and there will be no co-promotion -- unless the opponent is Mayweather. Otherwise, Top Rank will handle the entire process.
So it's clear he'll just be fighting another Top Rank fighter again. Yuri Foreman is coming off major knee surgery so he'd be perfect. Or maybe Chavez Jr. at a catch weight of 150.
 

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Manny is a true politician...oblivious to what people want.

Yes Manny, we would rather watch you fight the Clotteys and Margaritos of the world.



So it's clear he'll just be fighting another Top Rank fighter again. Yuri Foreman is coming off major knee surgery so he'd be perfect. Or maybe Chavez Jr. at a catch weight of 150.
I'm not sure even Arum thinks he can sell the public on a Cotto rematch, which is the only plausible in-house option for Manny at Top rank.

I'm thinking Andre Berto. Especially after he knocked out some stiff on Saturday. His promoter, Lou DiBella is in no position to a demand co-promotional stake in the fight. He and his fighter will be thrilled to get what will likely be the biggest purse either of them have ever received.

By "no co-promotion" Arum means "no Golden Boy." They're the only ones with the clout to take a co-promotional interest. Of course, that also means "no Marquez" (as does "147 pounds," since that's way over Marquez's weight class as we've already seen).

But to be honest, I don't wan to see that fight either. Past results notwithstanding, I think Manny is a true 140/147-pounder now. Marquez is a true 135. I think it's a mismatch and that Manny annihilates Marquez this time. It was bad enough seeing that happen to Margarito, who may have even deserved it. I don't want to see that happen to Marquez.

I expect Pacquiao-Berto in May, 2011.
 

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Manny is a true politician...oblivious to what people want.

Yes Manny, we would rather watch you fight the Clotteys and Margaritos of the world.



So it's clear he'll just be fighting another Top Rank fighter again. Yuri Foreman is coming off major knee surgery so he'd be perfect. Or maybe Chavez Jr. at a catch weight of 150.

The standard meme you and several other posters have here is priceless. Who do you want him to fight? JMM? Really? We'd all love a Floyd-Pacman duel, but until shit for brains decides to stay out of jail then what the hell do you want? Stop fighting at all?
 

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The standard meme you and several other posters have here is priceless. Who do you want him to fight? JMM? Really? We'd all love a Floyd-Pacman duel, but until shit for brains decides to stay out of jail then what the hell do you want? Stop fighting at all?
I don't see what's wrong with criticizing Pacquiao for saying "he wouldn't watch a fight" between himself and a future first-ballot HOFer who has arguably beaten him twice.

Pacquiao can't help it if Floyd is unavailable/unwilling. But that doesn't give him a free pass from making dumb comments about any fighter not employed by Bob Arum.
 

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Well it looks like he'll beat another washed up fighter. The rumblings are it will be Sugar Shane. Jesus Fucking Christ. And let me guess they'll fight at 144 1/2 lbs or 150.0909320923093 lbs so after the fight they can say he won another title at another "weight class". God. Seriously, how do Pac fans honestly eat this garbage up?

Ok, Floyd is a loser and trainwreck. NEWSFLASH, if you watched boxing you would know he isn't the only great fighter out there. There are other fighters Manny could be taking on instead of putting on these glorified sparring sessions.
 

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Well it looks like he'll beat another washed up fighter. The rumblings are it will be Sugar Shane. Jesus Fucking Christ. And let me guess they'll fight at 144 1/2 lbs or 150.0909320923093 lbs so after the fight they can say he won another title at another "weight class". God. Seriously, how do Pac fans honestly eat this garbage up?

Ok, Floyd is a loser and trainwreck. NEWSFLASH, if you watched boxing you would know he isn't the only great fighter out there. There are other fighters Manny could be taking on instead of putting on these glorified sparring sessions.
Ho hum. Another day, another Pacman bash. You know EU20, your point will be taken more seriously if you actually gave some props to the PPP champ to begin with.

So how do Pacman fans like me eat this garbage up? Preferably with some "rice" pudding and sitting back on a sofa in a living room, not in a jail cell.
 

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Well it looks like he'll beat another washed up fighter. The rumblings are it will be Sugar Shane. Jesus Fucking Christ. And let me guess they'll fight at 144 1/2 lbs or 150.0909320923093 lbs so after the fight they can say he won another title at another "weight class". God. Seriously, how do Pac fans honestly eat this garbage up?

Ok, Floyd is a loser and trainwreck. NEWSFLASH, if you watched boxing you would know he isn't the only great fighter out there. There are other fighters Manny could be taking on instead of putting on these glorified sparring sessions.

Oh really? Name a couple fighters. Come on, I'm dying to hear this. Who steps in the ring and beats him at 147? If I am pac I am not moving down, just in the off chance PBF doesn't go to jail and they can make the fight. That seems only logical to me. I'm sure some will bash it, as they do anything Pac related but it makes to much sense to not move up and down so much when the fight of the decade could still happen. So once again, instead of saying "he should fight better fighters" lets hear some names. I have a feeling your list of fights will be less than impressive, and most laughable.
 

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Stepping away from the Floyd/Pac bitchfest for a second, there's a pretty good lineup for this Saturday. Khan-Maidana and Ortiz-Peterson is on HBO and the Bantamweight Tourney on Showtime. I do have a bad feeling that Khan-Maidana ends up being a somewhat boring decision win for Khan given his superior reach, his excellent speed and his good jab (think Froch-Abraham). But I am hoping that Maidana's unrelenting pressure is effective enough to give Khan and his questionable chin a good challenge.
 

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The 10th Round of Khan/Maidana was compelling stuff. Maidana damn near KO'ed Joe Cortez.

114-111, 114-111, 113-12 UD for Khan. Preston, you got what you were hoping for. Strong showing for Maidana. This was a real tough fight for both guys.
 

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The 10th Round of Khan/Maidana was compelling stuff. Maidana damn near KO'ed Joe Cortez.

114-111, 114-111, 113-12 UD for Khan. Preston, you got what you were hoping for. Strong showing for Maidana. This was a real tough fight for both guys.
Maidana should have Ko'd Cortez. If Cortez didn't keep needlessly forcing breaks in the 10th round, I'd like to see if Khan survives.

Great fight though.
 

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That was the best Hopkins fight I've seen in years. If it weren't for that Super Six, I'd like to see him go after Froch next.
 

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The standard meme you and several other posters have here is priceless. Who do you want him to fight? JMM? Really? We'd all love a Floyd-Pacman duel, but until shit for brains decides to stay out of jail then what the hell do you want? Stop fighting at all?
Quoted for truth.

Honestly, I think it's time for Pac to retire. He has nothing left to prove. A victory over Mayweather would be nice, but there's nothing he can do if Floyd keeps ducking him.
 

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Yeah he's proved so much fighting fucking zombies the last 4 years.


Had a chance to see The Fighter this weekend. Great movie. Not even Marky Mark's notorious horrible acting could ruin it. Bale stole the show. Hope it makes Micky a boatload of money.
 

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Yeah he's proved so much fighting fucking zombies the last 4 years.


Had a chance to see The Fighter this weekend. Great movie. Not even Marky Mark's notorious horrible acting could ruin it. Bale stole the show. Hope it makes Micky a boatload of money.
And Floyd's victories include one over his girlfriend and another over a 19 year old mallcop. Bravo Floyd.