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QUOTE (StorrSox @ Jan 19 2010, 10:00 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2776271
If a fight is agreed upon, it will be interesting to see if Mayweather insists on the rigorous testing that he did with Pacquiao seeing as how Mosley has admitted using PED's in the past.

Fwiw, I believe the Floyd camp said during the Pacquiao negotiations that increased PED testing was something Floyd was going to insist on for the rest of his career, no matter the opponent.

And he really has to in this instance, because if he doesn't make those demands on Mosley (known former PED user) after doing so with Pacquiao, he comes off as a hypocrite.

In Floyd's perfect world, Mosley would agree to the full testing that Pacquiao refused (And given how desparate Shane is for a big fight, I'd be very surprised if he didn't consent.) And then if Floyd beats Mosley, he can go back to calling out Pacquiao with the same demands, and this time there will be increased pressure on Pacquiao, because people will be saying "Mosley came clean and agreed to the testing, what about you?"

Although at this point, I'm so disgruntled, that I'm not assuming Floyd-Mosley gets made. I'm just waiting for things to go wrong.
 

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I'll be pretty excited about this fight if it happens. I think it's a much better fight than Floyd-Manny. Not money wise obviously but I think Mosley poses much more of a threat to Floyd.
 

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If Floyd-Shane goes head to head on PPV with Manny-Clottey, that's a no-brainer. The Pacquiao fight gets destroyed. Arum gets his mouth shut and Floyd/Golden Boy/Richard Schaefer get their revenge. Kind of seems like an opportunity that'll be too good to pass up for them.
 

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If Floyd-Shane goes head to head on PPV with Manny-Clottey, that's a no-brainer. The Pacquiao fight gets destroyed. Arum gets his mouth shut and Floyd/Golden Boy/Richard Schaefer get their revenge. Kind of seems like an opportunity that'll be too good to pass up for them.

I thought so too, but according to Dan Rafael and others the Floyd-Mosley fight would be in May.
 

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Interesting doubleheader tomorrow night on HBO with JuanMa and Gamboa, both against legit opponents.

It'll be nice to finally watch some real fights after the last month of negotiations talk.
 

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Interesting doubleheader tomorrow night on HBO with JuanMa and Gamboa, both against legit opponents.

It'll be nice to finally watch some real fights after the last month of negotiations talk.


Both fights were whippings.

Gamboa, when he fights in a disciplined style, is nasty. He needs to continue fighting in that style, because he's been down a few times, and he's been knocked down by people with pedestrian power. His offense is pretty breath taking though.

Lopez beat a used up Luveano.

Be interesting to see a Gamboa-Lopez fight.
 

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Brinkley/Stevens on FNF tonight was a good fight. Stevens ran his mouth before the fight and swore he'd KO Brinkley inside of 50 seconds. Brinkley then went on to kick his ass for 12 rounds.


Also, Floyd/Shane is official. May 1 it will be.
 

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For anyone follow the up and coming Guillermo Rigondeaux a reminder that he is fighting tonight on espn2



Yes I know he is fighting nobodies. Thats probably why I couldn't find a bet anywhere on this fight, but I will say that Rigo 28 second TKO was impressive in all facets. But the thing that has stood out the most for me with Rigondeaux is his precision. He goes out there softens the opponents D and then sends a precise blow to those "sweet spots" for lack of a better term that automatically is putting opponents on there behinds.

Well all I can say is that I can't wait to see this guy against a real opponent.
 

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20 years ago today, or yesterday, depending on which side of the globe you were on.

It is so ridiculously hard to believe two decades have passed since then. To me, it's even more inconceivable than the outcome that night.

ESPN ran an OTL retrospective by Jeremy Schaap. What I never knew was that within a few months of the fight, Douglas's wife left him, the mother of his son was diagnosed with leukemia, and his own mother dropped dead of a heart attack -- the latter a mere 23 days before entering the ring.

A lot of people bitched about the long count Douglas got after Tyson knocked him down with a vicious right uppercut in the 8th round. It didn't seem long to me at all, but one thing's clear -- had that knockdown occurred early or in the middle of the round rather than just before the bell as it did, Tyson would have finished him off with ease.

Buster definitely caught lightning in a bottle, but he also caught a huge break that night.
 

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Sounds like Dirrell has a back injury and his fight with Abraham might get postponed.

I know there's been fights here and there, but it feels like the last signficant fight was about 6 months ago.
 

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Sounds like Dirrell has a back injury and his fight with Abraham might get postponed.

I know there's been fights here and there, but it feels like the last signficant fight was about 6 months ago.



Boxing is on a damn respirator. March 13th can't get here fast enough.
 

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Devon Alexander just knocked Juan Urango's head off to go to 20-0 13 KO's and 2 junior welterweight belts. Says he wants to fight Zab in St. Louis. Kid is a monster.
 

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Very impressive knockout. Urango is a damn horse (I still dont know how he weighs in at 140), I was very surprised. F Zab, I want to see him fight Bradley. Talk about high speed chess.

Vic also fought on Showtime. Beat the hell out of 22 year old making his first trip to the US.


Oh yeah, why the fuck is Clottey living worse than me? Did you guys see the size of his apartment? WTF?
 

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Edwin Rodriguez of Worcester is fighting on Friday Night Fights this week. It's his first nationally televised fight. I've seen him fight three times in person and he's a very exciting fighter. With some work on his defense i think he could be a championship level fighter.
 

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Showtime has a free preview weekend for subscribers of AT&T U-verse, Cablevision, Charter Communications, Comcast, DirecTV, Time Warner Cable, Verizon FIOS. Good timing because the Super 6 resumes with Arthur Abraham (1-0, 1 KO, 3 points) vs. Andre Dirrell (0-1, 0 points) in Detroit.
 

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Showtime has a free preview weekend for subscribers of AT&T U-verse, Cablevision, Charter Communications, Comcast, DirecTV, Time Warner Cable, Verizon FIOS. Good timing because the Super 6 resumes with Arthur Abraham (1-0, 1 KO, 3 points) vs. Andre Dirrell (0-1, 0 points) in Detroit.


That was a quite a fight. I recommend catching a rebroadcast for anyone who missed it last night. Arthur Abraham in his career had looked like an unstoppable machine, but Dirrell finally lived up to his considerable potential and dominated the fight -- until he slipped in the corner in the 11th round and Abraham knocked him unconscious by hitting Dirrell when he was down and defenseless. Dirrell wins by DQ, but after the fight appeared completely disoriented. Taken to a hospital for brain scans, but I have yet to find any word on his condition.

Anyway, the Super Six has been getting some bad press lately, but the victories by Andre Ward and now Dirrell, plus the pullout by Jermaine Taylor and the entry of Allen Greene have really made this thing very, very interesting.
 

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That was a quite a fight. I recommend catching a rebroadcast for anyone who missed it last night. Arthur Abraham in his career had looked like an unstoppable machine, but Dirrell finally lived up to his considerable potential and dominated the fight -- until he slipped in the corner in the 11th round and Abraham knocked him unconscious by hitting Dirrell when he was down and defenseless. Dirrell wins by DQ, but after the fight appeared completely disoriented. Taken to a hospital for brain scans, but I have yet to find any word on his condition.

Anyway, the Super Six has been getting some bad press lately, but the victories by Andre Ward and now Dirrell, plus the pullout by Jermaine Taylor and the entry of Allen Greene have really made this thing very, very interesting.



Dirrell really looked great. I think fighting in front of the home crowd really motivated him. Over his past few fights, he seems to have alternated fighting well and running. Hopefully he's going to be ok. I couldn't believe that they weren't getting him to the hospital as quickly as possible. You could tell Jim Gray realized he was fucked up after he answered a question with something like "is this speaker man?"

Abraham on the other hand is a total asshole. As bad as the punch was, I can understand it at some level. The way he acted afterwards was ridiculous. He showed no concern for Andre and was more concerned with complaining. Probably because they let him do stuff like that in Germany.
 

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Looks like Dirrell is okay. They scanned his brain at the local hospital and no damage was spotted.

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Abraham is a dickhead for bitching that Dirrell was acting after the cheap shot. I mean, Dirrell's leg was twitching while he was on the mat and it was clear afterwards that had no idea what was going on because he thought he lost the fight.

I hope Abraham's next opponent kicks his ass.
 

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QUOTE (Statman @ Mar 28 2010, 04:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2868079
Looks like Dirrell is okay. They scanned his brain at the local hospital and no damage was spotted.

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Abraham is a dickhead for bitching that Dirrell was acting after the cheap shot. I mean, Dirrell's leg was twitching while he was on the mat and it was clear afterwards that had no idea what was going on because he thought he lost the fight.

I hope Abraham's next opponent kicks his ass.


Yeah, I can't stand Carl Froch, but I'll actually be rooting for him against Abraham. I don't think he's going to win though. It was Direll's slick, athletic, "speed kills" style that gave Abraham fits, and honestly, before the flagrant foul, I was getting worried that Abraham was catching up to him. I wouldn't have been too shocked to see Abraham score a last-minute KO if THE fight hadn't ended as it did.

Froch, however, brings none of those skills. he just stands there and wails away. I think Abraham stops him sometime between the 6th and 9th rounds.
 

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What a disappointing ending from every angle.

Disappointing for Dirrell, because he was putting together the best performance of his career, and he deserved to win the fight in a way other than lying on his back unconscious.

Disappointing for Abraham, who was showing signs of coming on and would have had a legit chance at a dramatic come-from-behind KO down the stretch.

And most of all, disappointing for the tournament as a whole. This was by far the best and most dramatic fight of the tournament so far. It had a chance to start the 2nd stage on a high note, instead its just adding some more controversy on top of what has already happened (Taylor dropping out, Froch/Dirrell decision, Ward-Green delay, etc.). Let's just hope Dirrell is able to rebound without any major ill effects.

As Naehring11 alluded to, while Abraham's foul was certainly disqualification-worthy, it's hard to label it blatantly dirty. When these guys are in an intense fight, it's awful hard to expect them to automatically flip the switch and realize someone is on the ground defenseless. It may look clear on TV that the opponent is on his knees and that a punch shouldn't be thrown, but in the heat of battle I'm sure it's tougher to immediately restrain yourself from throwing a punch. Abraham is definitely a whiner, but not necessarily dirty.

Anyone else notice that Laurence Cole kept calling Andre by his brother's name instead, "Anthony"? Is it too much to ask for the ref to know the names of the guys who are fighting? I've always thought Cole was one of the worst refs out there, that did nothing to change my mind. At least he got the DQ right.

And what was the ring doctor doing when Cole asked him to look at Abraham's cut? That was the longest cut examination I've ever seen. You're supposed to just take a quick look and say "Yes" or "No" for whether he can continue.
 

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Anyone else notice that Laurence Cole kept calling Andre by his brother's name instead, "Anthony"? Is it too much to ask for the ref to know the names of the guys who are fighting? I've always thought Cole was one of the worst refs out there, that did nothing to change my mind. At least he got the DQ right.


Agreed. I don't understand how he keeps getting any fights, let alone pretty big fights like this. As soon as Dirrell got hit with that punch I thought "oh shit, Cole is reffing this fight, he's going to screw it up." Surprising he got it right.

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And what was the ring doctor doing when Cole asked him to look at Abraham's cut? That was the longest cut examination I've ever seen. You're supposed to just take a quick look and say "Yes" or "No" for whether he can continue.



Not only that, but the doctor was putting pressure on it and basically treating the cut. He did a better job than Abraham's cut man did.


Also, an interesting thing about the Super Six fights is that the "home" fighters have won every fight. Ward and Dirrell in the US, Froch in England, and Abraham in Germany.
 

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QUOTE (Naehring11 @ Mar 28 2010, 11:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2868528
Agreed. I don't understand how he keeps getting any fights, let alone pretty big fights like this. As soon as Dirrell got hit with that punch I thought "oh shit, Cole is reffing this fight, he's going to screw it up." Surprising he got it right.




Not only that, but the doctor was putting pressure on it and basically treating the cut. He did a better job than Abraham's cut man did.


Also, an interesting thing about the Super Six fights is that the "home" fighters have won every fight. Ward and Dirrell in the US, Froch in England, and Abraham in Germany.


And I don't think there's any doubt that if Saturday's fight had been in Germany, it would have been a different fight. I doubt Abraham would have been DQ'ed at all. They probably would have given Dirrell 5 minutes to recover. Also, Dirrell would have been deducted at least a point for low blows (rightly or wrongly) and Abraham would have been credited with the knockdown of Dirrell which Cole wrongly called a slip. By the same token, Dirrell probably would still not be credited with the second knockdown of Abraham -- where the ropes held him up -- though he probably should have been either way.

Lawrence Cole is the worst American referee in boxing. But from what I've seen, he's at least as good as pretty much any European ref -- and even American refs turn into Euro-homers when they get over there. The quality of officiating in Europe and the UK sucks.
 

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Looks like Guzman can carve out a decent second half of his career for himself at 147. He looked good Saturday.
 

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Yeah, if he can keep fighting guys 10 lbs lighter than him.


As Kellerman pointed out during the broadcast, this has become a real problem over the past few years. There is very little incentive to actually make weight, other than a relatively small fine, because the fighter who did make weight must either go through with the fight anyway or forfeit his payday -- which for all but the biggest name fighters is just not financially feasible. Basically, the fighter who follows the rules is the one who gets penalized under the current system.

Allowing a welterweight to fight a lightweight, as happened on Saturday, makes about as much sense as allowing one NFL team to field 14 players against an opponent with a regulation 11-man team, as long as the 14-man team agrees to pay a relatively small fine.

This is where the state commissions need to step in. Fighters who come in overweight need to face lengthy license suspensions and/or prohibitively expensive financial penalties.

It's just crazy.
 

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Obviously it was a huge advantage not having to make weight. But he's struggled in his last few fights making weight, fighting at welterweight would at least let him fight at a comfortable weight and maybe look like the Guzman of a few years ago that had everyone so excited.
 

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Bhop is gonna try and fight David Haye.

It wasn't a terrible fight, it had some drama. I wouldn't blame Bhop, Roy seemed very afraid to throw punches for the first 7-8 rounds. Going in I thought Bhop would be head hunting but it turns out his goal was just to avenge the loss and get the win. That was the most important thing to him. That and if there is any truth to his claim of seeing "spots" after the rabbit punches would be the two reason Roy stayed on his feet last night.

Hopkins main offensive weapon (some would say his only) the last 5-6 years is his vicious straight right hand, either as a lead when he gets you off balanced or as a counter when he's sucked you in. He didn't feature it last night although having some windows for it (particularly with Roy on the ropes most of the night). So i gotta assume he was just trying to get the win and close this chapter in his career.
 

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Bhop is gonna try and fight David Haye.

It wasn't a terrible fight, it had some drama. I wouldn't blame Bhop, Roy seemed very afraid to throw punches for the first 7-8 rounds. Going in I thought Bhop would be head hunting but it turns out his goal was just to avenge the loss and get the win. That was the most important thing to him. That and if there is any truth to his claim of seeing "spots" after the rabbit punches would be the two reason Roy stayed on his feet last night.

Hopkins main offensive weapon (some would say his only) the last 5-6 years is his vicious straight right hand, either as a lead when he gets you off balanced or as a counter when he's sucked you in. He didn't feature it last night although having some windows for it (particularly with Roy on the ropes most of the night). So i gotta assume he was just trying to get the win and close this chapter in his career.


It wasn't a terrible fight?

That fight was one of the top 3 worst fights I've seen headline a PPV. Awful.

If Bhop challenges Haye now, it will be an execution. Haye will KO him in 2 rounds.
 

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I downloaded the fight on Sunday. Was pretty much what I expected.

Roy was just there to feint, pose, talk, tie up, etc. Landing meaningful punches or actively trying to win wasn't really part of the agenda.

And Hopkins went about winning the fight as he always does. Slow paced, methodical, somewhat dirty, not crowd-pleasing, etc.

That was always one of the ironic things about the clamor for this rematch over the years... their first fight was AWFUL. The rematch wasn't much different, they were just a lot older and slower.

I haven't watched the Haye fight yet but I was pleased with the result. The heavyweight division desparately needs someone with a big punch and some personality. Haye is the guy. I'm not saying he can beat one of the Klitschkos, but at the very least its a fight you'd be excited to watch.
 

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It wasn't a terrible fight?

That fight was one of the top 3 worst fights I've seen headline a PPV. Awful.

If Bhop challenges Haye now, it will be an execution. Haye will KO him in 2 rounds.


may-jmm. Manny hatton. Manny Oscar. This fight had about a gazillion times more action and was more competitive than those. Yeah it was bad but the boxing fans who are up and arms are killing me. What did you expect ? And did you pay for the fight ?

As bgriff pointed out, if u have any kind of boxing IQ how the fuck could you go into this with any other expectation ?
 

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may-jmm. Manny hatton. Manny Oscar. This fight had about a gazillion times more action and was more competitive than those. Yeah it was bad but the boxing fans who are up and arms are killing me. What did you expect ? And did you pay for the fight ?

As bgriff pointed out, if u have any kind of boxing IQ how the fuck could you go into this with any other expectation ?


I expected the fight would be terrible, and it was.

I didn't pay for the fight, but I won't get those hours of my life back. The undercard was dreadful as well.

Fortunately there's some interest matchups the next4-5 weekends.
 

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Looks like Bradley and Maidana will fight each other this summer. I like the commitment HBO is making to the 140 pounders. That's an interesting fight.
 

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I think Bradley is one of the best 140 lbers out there. His publicity will come but in the meanwhile he's gonna kick a lot of ass. He's a very good boxer with decent power but what separates him is his activity and speed. It's Pacquiao like. This is the perfect example of a young fighter growing with Showtime and then HBO swooping in.


I like Berto tonight because of his strength and power but any Quintana is good enough (he did beat Pwill) to pull the mild upset. Berto's weaknesses for me have always been his accuracy and defense. I think Quintana has a shot to take advantage of those if he stays on the outside (!!). For gods sake, don't go inside with Berto. It'll be a short night and I feel like at least watching a half hour of a competitive fight.
 

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QUOTE (ElUno20 @ Apr 10 2010, 05:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2890842
I think Bradley is one of the best 140 lbers out there. His publicity will come but in the meanwhile he's gonna kick a lot of ass. He's a very good boxer with decent power but what separates him is his activity and speed. It's Pacquiao like. This is the perfect example of a young fighter growing with Showtime and then HBO swooping in.


I like Berto tonight because of his strength and power but any Quintana is good enough (he did beat Pwill) to pull the mild upset. Berto's weaknesses for me have always been his accuracy and defense. I think Quintana has a shot to take advantage of those if he stays on the outside (!!). For gods sake, don't go inside with Berto. It'll be a short night and I feel like at least watching a half hour of a competitive fight.



140 is pretty stacked right now, the real good thing about it being that the guys at the top of the division are itching to fight anyone and everyone (with Amir Khan being the proverbial turd in the punchbowl). I've been really impressed by Bradley, but the Holt fight had me questioning his chin a bit. I wouldn't really be surprised if Maidana's power and relentlessness ends up overwhelming Bradley. I like Devon Alexander (rumored to be facing Kotelnik next) to eventually emerge from the pack and become The Guy at 140.

Berto's the easy pick tonight. Quintana put together a masterful performance against Williams in the first fight, but never looked that good before and hasn't since either. That's always been kind of the knock on Quintana, loads of skill but can't put it all together for 12 rounds. I expect Berto to be fully focused tonight, this being a dedication fight of sorts for the victims of the Haiti earthquake. Mid-round stoppage or knockout for Andre.
 

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Good call Preston. I was impressed with how Berto battled through and closed the show in a tough fight while being injured.

What I continue to be alarmed by is his lack of any type of game plan. He has simple gone out there with the intention to when every fight on athleticism and talent. It's truly amazing considering the fact that he's 26 and is a budding HBO star. And he still focuses on the spectacular combinations while overlooking the basics such as a body work or a jab.
 

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Good call Preston. I was impressed with how Berto battled through and closed the show in a tough fight while being injured.

What I continue to be alarmed by is his lack of any type of game plan. He has simple gone out there with the intention to when every fight on athleticism and talent. It's truly amazing considering the fact that he's 26 and is a budding HBO star. And he still focuses on the spectacular combinations while overlooking the basics such as a body work or a jab.


Berto appeared to have a two-pronged game plan: work the referee and throw wild combinations, and both were just effective enough against Quintana.

Quintana scored a clean knock-down in the first round, and not only does the moron Florida ref blow the call, but he actually falls for Berto's politicking about it being a hit behind the head. That in turn led to three scintillating rounds of Berto gesticulating and turning his back in every clinch trying to get a point taken. Once he finally got his point he graciously went back to his original plan of walking around and throwing shots.

But he never really "solved" Quintana. Even though Berto was much stronger, Quintana seemed comfortable fighting on the inside, as much as the referee would let him, and neither did Berto have enough of a jab to control the fight from the outside. He basically won by swarming Quintana and overpowering him. Quintana probably should have been ahead or at least even on points at the time of the KO.

Berto will be a handful against any fighter ballsy enough or stubborn enough to stand at arm's length and trade with him, as Cotto or Mosley would surely do. I don't think Floyd or Pacquiao, who both know how to use distance and counterpunch, would have anything to worry about with him though.
 

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Larry Merchant on Berto facing Floyd, Manny, or Shane - 'Not sure they're worried about him after this performance
Jim Lampley - "That's if they're even watching"

lmao. Jim was a big Debbie Downer last night.
 

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I agree with some of the criticisms of Berto on here, he seems to be in a state of arrested development as a boxer. I'm seeing him making the same mistakes he was making four or five fights ago. The one fight that bucked the trend was the Urango fight, where he stayed on the outside and used his speed and accurate punches to outbox Juan. Last night was a major step back, imo. I guess there's plenty of time for some growth, he is only 26 after all. But it seems strange that, after such an extensive amateur career, he's relying more on his natural abilities than his boxing skills.

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Berto will be a handful against any fighter ballsy enough or stubborn enough to stand at arm's length and trade with him, as Cotto or Mosley would surely do. I don't think Floyd or Pacquiao, who both know how to use distance and counterpunch, would have anything to worry about with him though.


I disagree with the first half of that statement. Standing and trading against gatekeepers may serve Berto well, but against the upper echelon, it'll get him starched. Keep in mind that questions still remain about Berto's chin. I think he's really lucky he didn't end up facing Mosley. If he fought Mosley the way he fought Qunitana, Mosleyputs him to sleep in under 6 rounds.
 

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QUOTE (PrestonBroadus Lives @ Apr 11 2010, 06:25 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2893195
Keep in mind that questions still remain about Berto's chin. I think he's really lucky he didn't end up facing Mosley. If he fought Mosley the way he fought Qunitana, Mosley puts him to sleep in under 6 rounds.


Agreed. He was hurt by the feather fisted Collazo. 100% at this point in his career, Shane would have made short work of him.
 

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I disagree with the first half of that statement. Standing and trading against gatekeepers may serve Berto well, but against the upper echelon, it'll get him starched. Keep in mind that questions still remain about Berto's chin. I think he's really lucky he didn't end up facing Mosley. If he fought Mosley the way he fought Qunitana, Mosleyputs him to sleep in under 6 rounds.


Well, what I said was that he'd be a handful. I'd still take Mosley to win that fight, and probably by KO, but Berto, while not big into the tactical game, can definitely throw a punch with purpose and is a match for Mosley for speed and power.

Shane's built this late career run by knocking off big, slow, tough guys -- Margarito, Mayorga, Vargas. The only time in the last 5 years he's fought someone who was match for him athletically was Cotto. I'm not saying Berto would win, but he could make it interesting.

But yeah, <Steward>given his solid amateur background,</Steward> Berto should look like he has half a clue in there.
 

Naehring11

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I'm not really a fan of Berto and I don't think he's ever going to be a great fighter, but I can't really see much wrong with this fight. He was dealing with the Haiti sitution, a long layoff, and a biceps injury from early in the fight and he still K'd Quintana the fuck out. I thought he looked fine.
 

ElUno20

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Yeah after giving it some thought I think I was too hard on him. I guess it comes from me thinking he can be a great fighter given all his physical tools.
 

BGrif21125

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I got around to watching the Berto fight last night.

I thought it was pretty similar to most Berto fights. He has obvious physical gifts, but just isn't a very refined boxer overall.

I agreed with Merchant's comment that Berto wasn't giving Floyd or Manny anything to worry about, but hey, I'm not sure that's really even much of a criticism. Those 2 guys are so far above everyone else that they have almost no reason to be worried about anyone. I think Mosley might be the only guy who can even win individual rounds against Floyd and/or Manny.

FYI... Real Sports on HBO is doing an entire episode tonight about the deaths of Gatti, Forrest and Arguello. Should be worth checking out.