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Didn't see the fights (there was some baseball game on), but saw some quick highlights on youtube.

Bad news for boxing: Looks like Peter got dominated and then quit on his stool, which means the Klitschko brothers both hold belts and there won't be a unified heavyweight champ anytime soon. Nothing against Vitali, but his victory was the worst-case scenario for the division.

Good news for boxing: Dawson dominated Tarver and established himself as a young star and a legit PFP-type fighter. It also doesn't hurt that he's from New Haven... nice to see a local fighter making a big name for himself.

I think I'm going to skip next week's PPV. Pavlik-Hopkins is a good fight but not one I'm that excited about. Plus, I wanted to see Abner Mares, but he's been pulled from the undercard with an eye injury.
 

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Vitali was just brutal. After being knocked down by Jameel McCline in his last fight, I wonder where Peter got the inner-resolve to stand up to some of those Klitschko punches, as they sure looked worse than the one McCline decked him with. Peter looked clueless from the outset and was thoroughly dominated. As BGrif says, worst result possible for the Heavyweight Division as a whole, but Peter was never at the races and Vitali just crushed him.

Vitali say he wants Nikolai Valuev in the near future, to give the Klitschko's a clean sweep, but he has a mandatory against a Cuban guy in the next 90 days and Valuev has his optional defence, probably against Holyfield, to fight before that one looms on the horizon.
 

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Luckily, the Sox saved me $50 last night. With Game 6 Saturday, I'll be able to avoid ordering the PPV. If there were no baseball game, I have no doubt that I would have caved around 8:30 pm on Saturday night.

Gotta go with Pavlik by decision. I just don't see how Hopkins at this age can be active enough to keep up with Pavlik and win rounds.
 

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Hopkins is really crafty but can he last the distance? He had to fake two low blows to get breathers verse Calzaghe. He looked old and out of gas very early in that fight.

Pavlik is not as frentic as Joe, but he keeps up good pace and keeps busy. He also has much better one punch power than Calzaghe.

I think Hopkins will have to resort to all his tricks to survive this fight.
 

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Well, any damage done to Hopkins' legacy in recent years has been wiped away. Total domination from B-Hop tonight. If he had fought this away against Calzaghe, letting his hands go, that bout would've been stopped early.

As a longtime Hopkins fan, I'm glad I picked this one wrong.
 

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I'm with you. As a big Bhop fan, I was hoping he still had this in him. His fights with Winky and Calslappy surprised me because he was physically so much stronger than those two. I guess he was just scared to open it up. And at his age, I can't really blame him.

As for last night, it was boxing mastery. His hand speed in the middle of the ring was amazing, his footwork was sublime, and technically he's in a different galaxy than Kelly. He completely took away Kelly's jab which is the equivalent of cutting the head off a snake. And as another wrinkle, he cleverly worked his left hook in there enough to further baffle Kelly. He should be thankful he didn't get knocked out yesterday. He was hurt early (2nd or 3rd) and then again late. In the 12th he basically held on for dear life.

And to top all that off, Bhop's talk with him after the fight was one of the classiest things I've seen in boxing.

Hopefully Roy Indiana (his hat yesterday was pretty stylish) Jones beats Calslappy. B/C if Joe wins, that cowards wants no part of a rematch with Bhop. He'd get his ass knocked out.
 

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I'm with you. As a big Bhop fan, I was hoping he still had this in him. His fights with Winky and Calslappy surprised me because he was physically so much stronger than those two. I guess he was just scared to open it up. And at his age, I can't really blame him.
I really can't stand all of the Calzaghe praise -- he's a slap-fighter, for crying out loud! Great record, sure, but he's had 3 and a half real opponents in his career. Same thing with Hatton, only he's had even fewer real challenges. Calzaghe tries his best to be a homeless man's RJJ and Hatton is a glorified club fighter, yet these two somehow crept into people's top 10 p4p rankings? Give me a break.

Argh... I get all worked up when thinking about Hopkins fight against Slappy. He gave that one away. It's a shame he'll never get a rematch because I'd bet anything Calzaghe's camp knows how lucky they were that Hopkins didn't let his hands go.

Some quotes from B-Hop last night:
"I wanted to stop him because I had been playing it safe [in other fights]becase of my age," he said. "I wanted to pick it up, step it up and I really wanted to stop him. I was definitely going for the knockout, but he's tough.

"I want anyone I fight next to know I am going for the knockout. That's what I was trying to do tonight."
 

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I joined the 21st century last night, so instead of ordering the PPV, I watched the fight on a free bootleg stream online. Gotta start doing that more often. Quality was good and you can't beat the price.

What an amazing performance by Hopkins. If you had told me before last night that Hopkins would win, I would've guessed that he'd win in a ~115-113 type of fight where he stole some early rounds and then hung on at the end. I never imagined that he would just completely embarass Pavlik from beginning to end. Not only did he show off his defensive skills, but he tattooed Pavlik with every punch in the book round after round.

I don't think it's a stretch to say this was the best performance of Hopkins' career. The Trinidad fight has always been considered his greatest achievement, but I thought Tito was more competitive in that fight than Pavlik was last night.

I also don't think it's a stretch to call this the best win ever for a fighter over the age of 40. As the HBO guys pointed out, when Foreman beat Moorer, George had lost every single round, he just caught his opponent with one perfect clean punch, and his opponent (Moorer) was one of the 2-3 worst heavyweight champions in history. Hopkins dominated a 26 year old champion for every second of every round.

Also, I thought Pavlik made the same mistake that so many fighters make, and it's one of my big pet peeves.... when you move up in weight, you're not obligated to actually put on extra weight!! Pavlik is at his best at 160, therefore he should've trained exactly like he was fighting for a 160 pound fight, and then just not bothered to sweat off those last couple pounds, weighing in around 162 or so. Instead he comes in at 169 and looks like crap. Not that it would have mattered, because Hopkins last night would've schooled him no matter what, but the extra weight only hurt Pavlik. Fighters do this all the time and they almost always look worse for it.

Final thing.. in defense of Pavlik, I didn't like how the HBO guys kept criticizing him for taking the risky opponent in Hopkins over an easier 160 pound mandatory opponent. Now, in hindsight, that would have been the smart move for Pavlik. But as a fan, I find it hard to criticize a guy for taking a tougher, riskier fight over a safe easy fight. I mean, HBO has criticized guys like Mayweather and Jones (justifiably) a million times over the years for handpicking opponents and not taking risks, so it's somewhat hypocritical to now criticize Pavlik for not doing the same thing. If more fighters took risks, it'd be a much better sport than it already is. As a TV network, don't they want their fighters to take risks and fight the biggest names? Would they have really preferred another Pavlik vs. Lockett type of fight instead of Pavlik fighting a first-ballot HOFer like Hopkins?
 

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Demetrius Andrade makes his pro debut on Versus tonight at 8. I'm sure his opponent will be a tomato can, but I'm interested nonetheless. I'm just a little too young to have witnessed Pazienza's prime, so it'd be cool to actually see a fighter from my home state reach the upper levels of the sport. Andrade certainly has the potential to be the best fighter ever from RI.

EDIT: 8 pm, not 9
 

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OK, I'm a Brit and, as such, am supposed to be a bit biased, but it astounds me that ANYONE can question Calzaghe's record.

He has beaten everyone that's been put in front of him and just because he only recently made it to America he's a complete nobody? Just look at some of the names on his resume, especially the hugely hyped Americans that came to his backyard threatening to 'hand Calzaghe a wuppin' only to have their asses handed to them - Omar Sheika (KO in the 5th), Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell (KO in the 2nd), Jeff Lacey etc - This stuff about him being a 'slapper' is just ridiculous too. He has been forced to fight that way, but only in recent years, due to a huge amount of serious hand injuries he's had. Even then, just ask Jeff Lacey or Mikkel Kessler if those mammoth welts they were left with were caused by 'slaps'. Joe used to love a tear up and was in some absolute classics in his early years but, as his hands have become more brittle, he's been forced to land in different ways. He still has faster hands than almost anybody in his weight class and uses them to score points and win rounds, 'slapping' or otherwise. You don't have 32 KOs in 45 fights from 'slapping' all the time.

If he beats RJJ, then I would expect him to retire undefeated and I've no doubt he'll be a 1st ballot HOF. Dan Rafael, has now elevated him to #2 on his recent PFP rankings, as Hopkins' win over Pavlik proved how big a victory Calzaghe's win over B-Hop was. I don't agree with that so much, as it was a different B-Hop out there on Saturday night, but if it's coming from someone as well-respected as Rafael then I'm sure Joe is happy to take it!
 

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OK, I'm a Brit and, as such, am supposed to be a bit biased, but it astounds me that ANYONE can question Calzaghe's record.

He has beaten everyone that's been put in front of him and just because he only recently made it to America he's a complete nobody? Just look at some of the names on his resume, especially the hugely hyped Americans that came to his backyard threatening to 'hand Calzaghe a wuppin' only to have their asses handed to them - Omar Sheika (KO in the 5th), Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell (KO in the 2nd), Jeff Lacey etc - This stuff about him being a 'slapper' is just ridiculous too. He has been forced to fight that way, but only in recent years, due to a huge amount of serious hand injuries he's had. Even then, just ask Jeff Lacey or Mikkel Kessler if those mammoth welts they were left with were caused by 'slaps'. Joe used to love a tear up and was in some absolute classics in his early years but, as his hands have become more brittle, he's been forced to land in different ways. He still has faster hands than almost anybody in his weight class and uses them to score points and win rounds, 'slapping' or otherwise. You don't have 32 KOs in 45 fights from 'slapping' all the time.

If he beats RJJ, then I would expect him to retire undefeated and I've no doubt he'll be a 1st ballot HOF. Dan Rafael, has now elevated him to #2 on his recent PFP rankings, as Hopkins' win over Pavlik proved how big a victory Calzaghe's win over B-Hop was. I don't agree with that so much, as it was a different B-Hop out there on Saturday night, but if it's coming from someone as well-respected as Rafael then I'm sure Joe is happy to take it!
The part in bold is the only thing I disagree with. If he beats Jones, he'll do the same thing every fighter does... he'll say he's got nothing left to prove, then he'll change his mind a few months later and fight again. Fighters never retire undefeated, the lure of the money/fame/attention is too great. Fighters don't retire until it gets beaten out of them. It's the same reason that Mayweather will be back one of these days.

First episode of Calzaghe-Jones 24/7 is Sunday night, btw.
 

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Did anybody see Bute-Andrade on Showtime tonight? Reading the AP recap it looks like we nearly had something resembling the Chavez-Taylor I ending.
One of the most disgraceful hometown refereeing jobs I've ever seen. And that counts any Ricky Hatton fight in Manchester. It wasn't only the blatant long count at the end, it was the ref allowing Bute to hold anytime Andrade got inside. He even got away with grabbing Andrade's leg and lifting it up in the air!

And worse, whenever Andrade had Bute hurt -- which was a couple of times -- the ref stepped in with some kind of bullshit warning for Andrade that gave Bute time to get his head together. At the end of the 12th, even before the knockdown, Andrade had Bute out on his feet and was trying ti chase him into the corner and the ref literally stood in his way, allowing seconds to tick off the clock.

Yes, Andrade got outboxed. But this is boxing, Knockouts matter. No question in my mind the ref rigged that fight. Andrade should have the belt.

Sucks. This is why the general sports fan doesn't watch boxing. Because of shit like this.
 

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One of the most disgraceful hometown refereeing jobs I've ever seen. And that counts any Ricky Hatton fight in Manchester. It wasn't only the blatant long count at the end, it was the ref allowing Bute to hold anytime Andrade got inside. He even got away with grabbing Andrade's leg and lifting it up in the air!

And worse, whenever Andrade had Bute hurt -- which was a couple of times -- the ref stepped in with some kind of bullshit warning for Andrade that gave Bute time to get his head together. At the end of the 12th, even before the knockdown, Andrade had Bute out on his feet and was trying ti chase him into the corner and the ref literally stood in his way, allowing seconds to tick off the clock.

Yes, Andrade got outboxed. But this is boxing, Knockouts matter. No question in my mind the ref rigged that fight. Andrade should have the belt.

Sucks. This is why the general sports fan doesn't watch boxing. Because of shit like this.
First off, good to see you back in the thread. We were getting ready to organize a search party.

I agree with virtually everything stated above. I've always thought the Hatton-Tszyu ref represented the gold standard for bad hometown refereeing, but I think the guy in Montreal last night was worse. I knew something was up the first time Bute lifted Andrade's leg up, and the ref broke them up and warned Andrade!

The one and only thing I will say in defense of Bute regarding the long count:
I rewound it on DVR and watched the knockdown, and counting on my own and completely ignoring what the ref is doing, Bute is up at the count of 8 or 9. He was completely out of it and his legs were gone, but he was on his feet in less than 10 seconds. And considering he was knocked down with only a few seconds left, the moment he's on his feet, the bell should ring and the fight is over. So if the ref had been doing what he was supposed to be doing (giving the count), Bute would have still been up on time and the bell would have rung. The long count made the ref look incompetent and biased, but I don't think the long count changed the outcome, in and of itself. Of course, the ref had spent 11+ rounds influencing the outcome before we even got to the long count...

Andrade reminds me a lot of a poor man's Margarito. Similar body types and styles, both have amazing chins, etc. Obviously Margarito is a much better fighter overall, but there are similarities. I don't know if anyone watched the Kessler-Andrade fight last year, but it's one of the most amazing "chin" displays I've ever seen. Kessler hit Andrade with every punch in the book for 12 rounds and Andrade took it all. There were about a dozen times in that fight where I honestly thought Andrade's head would snap off. He's one tough guy.

Bute's got some skills, but I'm not sure he's championship-material. I think Kessler beats anyone at 168 right now with Calzaghe gone. Good division though. I'd love to see Kessler fight the Taylor-Lacy winner.
 

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First off, good to see you back in the thread. We were getting ready to organize a search party.

I agree with virtually everything stated above. I've always thought the Hatton-Tszyu ref represented the gold standard for bad hometown refereeing, but I think the guy in Montreal last night was worse. I knew something was up the first time Bute lifted Andrade's leg up, and the ref broke them up and warned Andrade!

The one and only thing I will say in defense of Bute regarding the long count:
I rewound it on DVR and watched the knockdown, and counting on my own and completely ignoring what the ref is doing, Bute is up at the count of 8 or 9. He was completely out of it and his legs were gone, but he was on his feet in less than 10 seconds. And considering he was knocked down with only a few seconds left, the moment he's on his feet, the bell should ring and the fight is over. So if the ref had been doing what he was supposed to be doing (giving the count), Bute would have still been up on time and the bell would have rung. The long count made the ref look incompetent and biased, but I don't think the long count changed the outcome, in and of itself. Of course, the ref had spent 11+ rounds influencing the outcome before we even got to the long count...

Andrade reminds me a lot of a poor man's Margarito. Similar body types and styles, both have amazing chins, etc. Obviously Margarito is a much better fighter overall, but there are similarities. I don't know if anyone watched the Kessler-Andrade fight last year, but it's one of the most amazing "chin" displays I've ever seen. Kessler hit Andrade with every punch in the book for 12 rounds and Andrade took it all. There were about a dozen times in that fight where I honestly thought Andrade's head would snap off. He's one tough guy.

Bute's got some skills, but I'm not sure he's championship-material. I think Kessler beats anyone at 168 right now with Calzaghe gone. Good division though. I'd love to see Kessler fight the Taylor-Lacy winner.
Yeah, I also watched again and saw that Bute managed to struggle to his feet before 10 seconds had elapsed. But what was truly maddening to me was that the "long count" was just the culmination of a whole night of blatant hometown -- or to give him the benefit of the doubt, purely incompetent -- refereeing by that guy, who probably shouldn't have been in charge of a match of this magnitude anyway. There are plenty of decent refs in Las Vegas and in New York/New Jersey. I'm sure at least one of them would have been willing to take an expense-paid weekend in Montreal.

If that ref was truly doing his NUMBER ONE job, which is protection of the fighters' safety, he would have waved off the fight with about 20-25 seconds to go. Go back and watch it again and you'll see that Bute is clearly out on his feet and 100 percent unable to defend himself. But instead of stopping the fight, the ref gets in between the fighters and holds Andrade of with a shoulder block for two or three seconds. Even so, Andrade comes at Bute, who is just leaning on the ropes wit his hands at his side, lands a body shot that double Bute over then pummels him until Bute collapses over the top rope. Should have been a knockdown right there at the very least, but the ref does nothing. The fight really should have been waved off right there. I think we're actually somewhat lucky that there wasn't a tragedy. If Andrade were a crisper, more accurate puncher, there might have been. Bute was a sitting duck.

Anyway, at that point Bute then staggers backward across the ring into his own corner. Andrade chases him and nails him a few more times. The ref steps between the fighters again. I give Bute credit for standing up, but he was really far gone. He staggers to the nearest neutral corner with his knees bending aleady. Again, the ref puts himself directly in Andrade's path, costing valuable seconds. But Bute is still helpless. As soon as Andrade reaches him, it's target practice and he lands a huge right hand bomb that send Bute finally crumpling to the floor.

Then came the absurdly halted count with the ref screaming, "Get in that corner!" at Andrade, who WAS in the corner. And why is the ref checking Andrade's whereabouts at that moment anyway, with a fallen and semi-conscious fighter in front of him?

If he wasn't against the ropes, I wonder if he's able to get up on his own. But he did get up before 10 seconds were gone. That much is true. But the "long count" was just the icing on the cake of a historically terrible officiating performance.

Oh, well. Andrade is a Golden Boy fighter, so maybe a rematch can be worked out, hopefully not in Montreal. If not, it'll be interesting to see where Bute goes from here. I assume they'll try to work out a unification with Kessler, but I can't see Bute standing much a chance in that fight. Maybe her gets the winner of the Jermaine Taylor-Jeff Lacy fight, which should be Taylor. I'd favor Taylor in that fight, too, though it would be closer.
 

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1. Speaking of Kessler, he's fighting today in Denmark, and the Danish broadcast should be available at this link when it starts in the next half hour or so. http://sport.ard.de/sp/

2. Povetkin is out of the Klitschko fight in December. He tripped on a tree root when jogging and tore a ligament in his foot. Wlad now has to search for an opponent. The usual suspects (Maskaev, Rahman) are being considered.
 

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2. Povetkin is out of the Klitschko fight in December. He tripped on a tree root when jogging and tore a ligament in his foot. Wlad now has to search for an opponent. The usual suspects (Maskaev, Rahman) are being considered.

Ugh...what we really need is for Vitali to bang Wlad's wife or something. Maybe that'll get them to fight each other.
 

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1. Speaking of Kessler, he's fighting today in Denmark, and the Danish broadcast should be available at this link when it starts in the next half hour or so. http://sport.ard.de/sp/
Here is the whole Kessler fight:

Part One:

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Part Two:

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Obviously this opponent was not in Kessler's league, but apparently he's a durable guy who had never been knocked out. The way Kessler lays him out here is something to behold.

Kessler is world class, and I think that beating him was the greatest accomplishment of Calzaghe's career. There are a lot of great fights to be made in the Super Middleweight division. I hope Kessler starts taking a few of them now.
 

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Kessler is world class, and I think that beating him was the greatest accomplishment of Calzaghe's career. There are a lot of great fights to be made in the Super Middleweight division. I hope Kessler starts taking a few of them now.
Agreed. In fact, I think Kessler is legitimately one of the 10 best fighters in the world PFP. He fought extremely well against Calzaghe, and was simply beaten by a great fighter who on that night delivered his greatest performance.

Like you, I just worry that Kessler will avoid the big challenges. He's a star in Denmark and can sellout big arenas there even if he's fighting a stiff. His next fight really needs to be against either Bute or the Taylor/Lacy winner. I think he beats the crap out of Bute, and probably does the same to Lacy. A focused Taylor could hang with him, although he'd be a longshot to actually win.
 

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FYI...

Demetrius Andrade makes his pro debut on Versus tonight at 8. I'm sure his opponent will be a tomato can, but I'm interested nonetheless. I'm just a little too young to have witnessed Pazienza's prime, so it'd be cool to actually see a fighter from my home state reach the upper levels of the sport. Andrade certainly has the potential to be the best fighter ever from RI.

EDIT: 8 pm, not 9
He dominated and won by second round KO. Good to be back here.
 

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File these 2 items under "I wish I were joking...":

1. Marco Antonio Barrera is fighting on an undercard in China next week against an opponent with a 25-19 record.
2. Erik Morales just announced that he wants to un-retire and fight Juan Manuel Marquez next year.

Can someone explain to these two that they're already millionaires, already 1st ballot HOF locks, and don't need to fight anymore? Morales is one of my 2-3 favorite fighters ever, but he's so shot at this point that it's not even funny. Marquez would send him straight to the hospital.
 

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Along with so many other bad things in the economy, not only has ESPN cancelled its "Wednesday Night Fights" series, the Spanish-language Telefutra channel has cancelled its popular "Solo Boxeo," citing high production costs. Apparently the ratings were fine.

Not good signs for boxing in the United States.
 

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that video is hilarious!

Lampley saying "sure enough, he did his him which causes Vargas to knock the living shit out of him," is the high point... and Kellerman's "with a name like Titsworth I'm surprised he didn't try to feel him up, too," was the perfect finish.
 

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Manfredo vs. Bika from the Dunk on Versus tonight. Should be a pretty decent fight that I expect Bika to win. Could be the first time Manfredo gets stopped legit. A win for Manfredo would obviously be the biggest of his career and what he needs to keep his name relevant with the TV networks. Curious to see what kind of crowd they can draw at the newly renovated Dunk on a Thursday night with the Pats/Jets as head-to-head competition.
 

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Manfredo vs. Bika from the Dunk on Versus tonight. Should be a pretty decent fight that I expect Bika to win. Could be the first time Manfredo gets stopped legit. A win for Manfredo would obviously be the biggest of his career and what he needs to keep his name relevant with the TV networks. Curious to see what kind of crowd they can draw at the newly renovated Dunk on a Thursday night with the Pats/Jets as head-to-head competition.
Since Versus let its deal with Bob Arum run out, it seems like it's getting at least somewhat more interesting fights. Arum fed them a steady diet of crap and worse than crap (Tye Fields). But they had the Hatton-Lazcano fight, now this, which should be a decent scrap, plus Season 4 of THE CONTENDER coming up (with cruiserweights, filming in Singapore instead of LA and hosted by Tony Danza, yes Tony Danza, instead of Sugar Ray Leonard).

With ESPN dropping Wednesday Night Fights and Telefutura axing its Solo Boxeo series, I really hope that Versus can carve out a healthy niche for itself in the ever-shrinking world of basic-cable boxing.
 

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Steve Kim from maxboxing is reporting that Calzaghe/RJJ did less than 250,000 buys. HBO apparently felt that doing a 24/7, even for a crappy fight could get them huge numbers. Don't forget also that Hopkins/Pavlik did under 200,000 buys.
I was initially happy to hear these numbers in the hopes that it might change how HBO runs it's boxing division. But overall in the long run I think this is going to be bad for boxing. If they can't make any profit right now on ppv, then there's a good chance that they'll start cutting their budget for fights on their network (which has already been rumored).
 

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Steve Kim from maxboxing is reporting that Calzaghe/RJJ did less than 250,000 buys. HBO apparently felt that doing a 24/7, even for a crappy fight could get them huge numbers. Don't forget also that Hopkins/Pavlik did under 200,000 buys.
I was initially happy to hear these numbers in the hopes that it might change how HBO runs it's boxing division. But overall in the long run I think this is going to be bad for boxing. If they can't make any profit right now on ppv, then there's a good chance that they'll start cutting their budget for fights on their network (which has already been rumored).
Wow, that figure is very disappointing, if true. Jones-Trinidad back in January did over 500K ppv buys. Calzaghe isn't as big of a name in North America as Trinidad is, but I still expected Calzaghe-Jones to be in the 400K range.

It'll be interesting to see how De La Hoya-Pacquiao does. I've had that fight pegged in the 1-1.5 million range.
 

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David Haye makes his bow with the big boys against Monte Barrett tomorrow night in London. Should be interesting as, I think I mentioned earlier, Haye has already said that if he can't beat the Barrett's of this World in convincing fashion, he sees no real point in trying to make a go of it in the Heavyweight Division.
 

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David Haye makes his bow with the big boys against Monte Barrett tomorrow night in London. Should be interesting as, I think I mentioned earlier, Haye has already said that if he can't beat the Barrett's of this World in convincing fashion, he sees no real point in trying to make a go of it in the Heavyweight Division.
What time is that fight scheduled to start tomorrow? I'll be looking for a stream online tomorrow afternoon.
 

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Here's a stream for the Setanta telecast of the Haye fight, undercard is going on now.

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Well, I picked up that stream in the 4th round. Quite a blowout for Haye. Hard to know what to make of him, though. Barret obviously is not a top-caliber heavyweight, but he's pretty good and for Haye to destroy him in that fashion is pretty impressive. On the other hand, while it doesn't look like he's lost any power on his way up to heavyweight, Haye is still a wild, undisciplined puncher. Hard to see how he could take a belt from either of the Klitschkos. Based on the way Vitali looked against Sam Peter, I'd have to think that Haye would find that a very frustrating matchup.

I'd give Haye a better shot against Wlad, who often lets caution get the better of him. But I also think that, in the end, Wlad would tie Haye up effectively enough to neutralize that wild, free-swinging attack. But Haye leaves his chin hanging out there so much, that I have to think that Wlad would connect with it eventually.

In any case, I am glad Haye is on the heavyweight scene. This performance today adds some intrigue to the heavyweight division at long last.
 

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That fight looked a bit awkward to me. Three of those knockdowns really had no business being knockdowns. One looked like a clear slip and there appeared to be hardly anything more than a graze on two others. Maybe Barret was still disoriented from that ridiculous ring entrance.

Plus, the refereeing was questionable; breaking up clinches only after the two fighters started bashing in the backs of each others heads.

Regardless, Haye's quality shone through. I'm a fan of Haye and hope he goes on to beat one of those silly Klitschkos.

Some of that wildness I'll forgive, as it was Haye's first foray into heavyweight action. Still, he has to clean up those punches, as Gene said, if he wants to have a better than average chance of beating Wlad or Vitaly (which I don't think is as much of a challenge as Gene does). Seeing Haye next to Vitaly after the fight, the size difference wasn't as great as I had pictured in my head. One has to think Haye would be a bit more focused, and confident from having a heavyweight bout under his belt, against a Klitschko.
 

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Wow. No love for JT? He looked great yesterday. Lacy is a horrible boxer but is still tough as nails. His jab was back and, like a good fighter does, he was able to coast to victory the last 3-4 rounds while still frustrating Lacy.
 

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Wow. No love for JT? He looked great yesterday. Lacy is a horrible boxer but is still tough as nails. His jab was back and, like a good fighter does, he was able to coast to victory the last 3-4 rounds while still frustrating Lacy.
Hey, I'll give JT some love. I thought that was an impressive performance, albeit against a limited fighter. I've always been a Taylor fan, but he's been frustrating because he's so often seemed unwilling to push himself. He never should have bothered with the Ouma and Spinks fights, and he might have beaten Pavlik if he'd taken the time in training to develop his stamina. In the first fight he punched himself out when he had Pavlik hurt and in the rematch, he ran out of gas in the last two rounds. Hopefully, he's taking it more seriously now. I think he's a dangerous opponent for anybody at 168 if he really trains.

As for Lacy, he's shot. Time to hang 'em up.
 

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Wow. No love for JT? He looked great yesterday.
I'm a big Taylor fan, so I was happy to see him put together a complete performance. He threw his jab, landed combos, and his defense was good. Just a solid performance all the way around.

That being said, Calzaghe would pick Taylor apart. Taylor doesn't like being pressured, and that's what Calzaghe does all night. Also, Taylor's big weapon is his great left jab, but that's a punch that's tough to land against a quirky southpaw like Joe. I think HBO was spending so much time pushing the Calzaghe-Taylor agenda just because the other logical opponent for Calzaghe (Chad Dawson) is a Showtime fighter.

I would love to see a Kessler-Taylor fight at 168. I think that's a great matchup, and one that I'm sure HBO would be very interested in. My favorite punch to watch is the left jab, so I'd love to see Kessler and Taylor fight, since they have 2 of the top 5 jabs in all of boxing. I'd make Kessler a solid favorite in that matchup, but a focused Taylor would be a very live underdog.

If Bernard can't get either Calzaghe or Jones to fight him, then I wouldn't be shocked if he calls out Jermain for a 3rd fight. That's not one that I have much interest in.

As for Haye-Barrett... Haye needed to do more than win, he needed to KO his opponent, and he succeeded. He's still far from being a proven commodity at heavyweight, but he has the ability to do something very important, which is to bring some legitimate excitement back to the heavyweights. The networks have been seeking desparately for an American heavyweight contender, but there's none to be found, so a cocky, outspoken, English-speaking fighter from the UK with a crowd-pleasing style seems like the next best thing to me. I'm genuinely interested to see what Haye does next, which is something I can't really say about any other heavyweight out there.

Highlight of the weekend was definitely Monte Barrett's awesome ring entrance:

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Oh dear Monte, what a fuckin lube tube.

Here's a link to the BBC's report on the Haye Fight and possible Klitschko match-up(s).

Haye talks a better fight than most:"Vitali feels he's a lot bigger and a lot stronger than me. He's a lump of a man, but I feel I've got his number."

I think it's worked in Haye's favour that he's largely went under the radar in the UK. He's not had half the attention and hype that Amir Khan gets over here. He had a good amateur career and was just as 'cocky' then. I actually think there's a bit more substance and humour to his words than most boxers and Haye's a pretty smart and charming guy and doing what he needs to do in and out of the ring. He is relatively untested at Heavyweight...but it's not like there's a lot of class in the division.
 

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Thoughts on Hatton-Malignaggi?

I'm going with Hatton by decision. I thought Hatton looked shaky against Lazcano, but I think Malignaggi has looked even worse recently. He seemed to regress his last few fights.

I read somewhere though that Hatton is having big problems making weight. That could be a factor.
 

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Thoughts on Hatton-Malignaggi?

I'm going with Hatton by decision. I thought Hatton looked shaky against Lazcano, but I think Malignaggi has looked even worse recently. He seemed to regress his last few fights.

I read somewhere though that Hatton is having big problems making weight. That could be a factor.

It's a tough fight to pick. I think it depends largely on if the ref lets Hatton hold or not. If he does I think Hatton wins a boring decision. if he doesn't I think Paulie wins a slightly less boring decision.

This is assuming Fatton makes weight.

Whoever wins, we all lose. This fight will probably suck hard.
 

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One odd news item. After calling out Shane Mosley for months, even accusing Mosely of "pissing his pants" at the thought of fighting him, Antonio Margarito has now apparently backed out of their fight, which had been scheduled for January 24.

The only explanation is that Margarito was afraid he'd endanger his June rematch with Cotto. But does Margarito really think he might lose to Mosley (he might, actually, but I'd say the odds are against it)? If so, why was he calling him out for so long? Plus, I think this seeming act of cowardice devalues the Cotto rematch almost as much as a loss to Mosley would.

Very weird move by the supposed "most feared man in boxing."
 

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Very weird move by the supposed "most feared man in boxing."
Yep, it sure seems like a hypocritical move by Margarito, since he's spent years criticizing Mayweather and Mosley for turning down big paydays to fight him.

I would have made Margarito a solid favorite to beat Mosley, and I have to believe that a Mosley fight would have brought him a very nice payday, so I don't really get his thinking here.

It looks like Mosley is now going to turn his attention to Berto... that would be a great crossroads fight if it actually comes together.
 

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Is this a joke?

Former heavyweight champion Riddick Bowe will fight for the first time in three years on the undercard of the IBF title fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Hasim Rahman.

Bowe's opponent for the Dec. 13 fight is yet to be determined, promoters said Thursday.

Bowe, 41, retired in 1996 and came back in 2004. He had another fight in 2005 and has not fought since.

Bowe's only loss in 43 fights was against Evander Holyfield, who at 46 is preparing to fight Nikolai Valuev next month for the WBA title.
 

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The heavyweight division is a joke. Nothing should surprise you. It's a division I could do without.
 

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That was the easiest Hatton fight in awhile. Somewhat surprised Buddy McGirt threw in the towel. Looks like Paulie shoves his trainer harder than he punches.

Has Hatton earned a rematch with Floyd in 2009 in a big open air stadium in the UK?
 

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I want that hour of my life back. Does Paulie Malignaggi suck or what? What a horrible performance. I hope he's never on television ever again. Just a complete waste. McGirt should have thrown in the towel 5 rounds earlier.

Found myself rooting for Hatton since, for once, he wasn't the person clinching every 5 seconds. Looks like the time with Floyd Sr. did him a tiny bit of good, but it's probably too late in his career for anything serious to come of it.

Has Hatton earned a rematch with Floyd in 2009 in a big open air stadium in the UK?
Nope. Even if he had, I doubt Floyd would take it.
 

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That was more one-sided than I expected. I thought Hatton would win, but I was thinking by decision in the neighborhood of 116-112. Paulie had a good first round, but the big right hand that Hatton landed in Round 2 changed the fight.

I admire Paulie for wanting to finish the fight and I understand why he'd be pissed in the heat of the moment, but I thought McGirt did the right thing. He knew his guy was way behind on the cards and has no KO power, so why let him take more punishment just for the sake of making it thru the 12th round?

Malignaggi is a tough guy (proven beyond a doubt in the Cotto fight) and he deserves credit for making it this far, but as long as his entire arsenal is nothing more than a left jab, he's never going to beat an upper level fighter.

It looks like Hatton is being lined up for the DLH-Pacquiao winner, and he'll lose to either guy. Oscar is too big and skilled for him. And if Pacquiao is good enough to beat Oscar at 147 next month, then he'll be good enough to beat Hatton at 140. I hope there isn't a Mayweather rematch, since I don't see any chance of that being a competitive fight.