Sons of Peter McNeeley- Boxing Thread
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I'll clarify I'm not in the robbery camp. But people justifying that AB was never hurt and forced Bivol to push the pace are showing their cards.
Bivol is a tactian, the boxer, he was always going to move and use that route to neutralize AB's devastating power. Maybe I'm valuing that too highly but to me, he won the fight.
Bivol is a tactian, the boxer, he was always going to move and use that route to neutralize AB's devastating power. Maybe I'm valuing that too highly but to me, he won the fight.
Sooo...just don't get hurt, Mike. Will be fascinating to see? (Question mark intentional)
I have to think they have something generally worked out, knowing how much JP respects Tyson. My fear is Mike tags him and Jake (who is an able boxer?) gets pissed
Many more knowledgeable heads here than me.
I have to think they have something generally worked out, knowing how much JP respects Tyson. My fear is Mike tags him and Jake (who is an able boxer?) gets pissed
Many more knowledgeable heads here than me.
Paul has no ability to hurt Tyson. If anyone is pulling his punches it’s Tyson. Paul would maybe be a decent local amateur boxer.
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This was a crazy fight. Guess Ike is getting out of jail.
This was a crazy fight. Guess Ike is getting out of jail.
I really hope that whatever previous agreement they have Tyson goes all Pulp Fiction Butch on him.
Ton of money coming in on Tyson this week in what MGM says will be the most amount wagered on any fight in the history of the sport. That’s all you need to know about the current state of our sweet science.
Paul is down to a -185 favorite which I think is way way off. Tyson should be competitive in the first couple rounds but Paul should be able to name the score. Faster, better jab, possibly more power and likely better chin with an enormous cardio advantage.
Paul is down to a -185 favorite which I think is way way off. Tyson should be competitive in the first couple rounds but Paul should be able to name the score. Faster, better jab, possibly more power and likely better chin with an enormous cardio advantage.
How can you tell? Tyson is almost 60 years old with a history of health problems. And who knows if this whole thing is on the level. I wouldn’t bet this fight in a million years.
Yeah. Tyson was clearly pulling his punches. Paul has terrible cardio and doesn’t know how to pace himself or punch relaxed. He has no concept of angles or defense and is not at all technically sound. If Tyson doesn’t knock him out it’s only because he doesn’t want to or was paid not to.
No more than MJ torching college kids. You know what a science boxing is, Tyson was one of the better strategic minds in boxing and Paul has no clue. Plus Paul can’t fight inside and Tyson lives there.
Forget Roy. This isn’t Tyson retiring on top then coming back 20 years later. Tyson was KO’d by Danny Williams and then that McBride guy in his last two fights, the latter went on to lose like 6 of his next 7 fights. His chin was gone by then, his knees were shot so he wasn’t generating the torque from his lower body which is where his power was derived. The Roy exhibition was embarassing and this is 4 years later which Paul, who is far from a good professional boxer, has been making improvements fight to fight.
Everything I’ve seen on tape from each fighters last 3 times in the ring show me that he does. We shall see tomorrow night. Like I said, I expect Paul to run through Tyson.
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I'd feel better if tyson was 47 but there is a point man. Only boxer ive seen fight father time to his last meaningful rounds was Hopkins. And even he got KO'd out the ring and had a shell performance vs Kovalev.
Paul is a natural born scammer. This fight isnt an accident or meant to be a test. It was chosen for a reason.
I think people are underestimating the gulf from world champion boxer to middling amateur. Isn’t it @reggiecleveland who talks about D3 players going off at the Y against guys 30 years younger? Paul is ok standing toe to toe against much smaller guys. He can’t move backwards or to the side, figure out angles, fight inside, or change levels. Besides the power - which is always the last thing to go - those are things Tyson excels at. Paul hasn’t seen anything like that level of technical skills.
Also, McBride was my friend. We trained together. We sparred leading up to the Tyson fight. He was a giant giant man. Not very skilled but losing to a guy that strong when Tyson was already checked out has no bearing on this fight.
Also, McBride was my friend. We trained together. We sparred leading up to the Tyson fight. He was a giant giant man. Not very skilled but losing to a guy that strong when Tyson was already checked out has no bearing on this fight.
Jake Paul isn’t gonna beat this man
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It all depends on if Mike wants to hurt him, which i doubt. Paul is paying for the show.
As you were saying power last the longest. two funny examples.
Guys I know played in a charity hockey game with Gordie Howe who was in his 70s. A big kid on the other team was taking it way too serioulsy and hitting people, like the local weatherman and city councl members, etc. These guys former pros in their 40s were resigned to having to take on this local tough guy when 'BAM!' Gordie laid the guy out with a should check. Another time Reuben Mayes (NFL running back) was around 55 doing walthru at a coaches clinic with high school players demonstrating how to hit the hole, when he dodged a kid playing D and the assembled coaches laughed. The kid, (already signed as a college linebacker aboiut 6 foot 225) was pissed and ran up hard to hit Reuben on the next demo who casually, dropped his shoulder and knocked the wind out of the kid.
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The best part of that is Mike clearly doesn't remember because he was so coked out his mind.
This is a fake fight but it'll do game busters. Random people at work (not sports fans) were asking me about it.
God i miss real boxing.
I know but it's so far (literally and figuratively) from just 15 years ago. There's 0 buzz about any fighter on a national media level. It's pretty pathetic.
Tough when there hasn’t been a great American heavyweight in awhile. That still drives the sport.
I dont think it's that. I dont want to go on a tangent but Canelo has been an awful ambassador of the sport after floyd.
While Floyd's fights were not at all appeasing to the general public, he was charismatic as hell. A natural showman snd salesman as a boxer. Canelo is so god damn dull AND his fights suck. It's a bad mix.
I'm sorry but that is fucking hilarious
edit: and thank you. Her silence had me cackling
Lots of people will hate watch this, hoping Tyson just cleans his clock. Its more professional wrestling than boxing. Tyson is the face, Paul is the heel. Both are making a boatload of money. Could be we get a Dusty finish so they can rake in the cash once more.
I had no idea this is on Netflix until I just looked it up. That's perfect.
Put me in the back that Tyson is gonna crush Paul. I think if he wanted to he could really hurt him, but that they'll stretch it out to put on a show instead. Tyson looks like a beast for being almost 60.
Put me in the back that Tyson is gonna crush Paul. I think if he wanted to he could really hurt him, but that they'll stretch it out to put on a show instead. Tyson looks like a beast for being almost 60.
Seems like Draftkings took this off the board last night with so many bets coming in for Tyson? Anyone wiser than me about this?
I’ve heard many books saying that nearly all tickets are coming in on Tyson yet the price is fluctuating between -185 and -210 which doesn’t indicate that is the case. All I’ve heard all week at the casino and poker table is Tyson talk which seems to be the consensus based on what books are saying and why this line is so short. It seems like after a bunch of Tyson nibbles, money comes in on Paul big only to repeat over the last couple days to come back the other way.
Dear god sir. Look around. Happiness is dead. Paul by KO. Don't fall for the okie doke.
More from guy in my Discord as I don’t follow every book where I’m located and it makes perfect sense.
“Pretty big discrepancy opening up between the rec books and the pro books for the Tyson-Paul fight. Circa, Pinnacle, and Betonline in the -260 range but most rec books around -200.”
Man I don’t wanna live in an America where Paul knocks out Mike Tyson. I can deal with the rest, but don’t take Tyson and boxing from me.
Also, if I were betting, I’d throw a little at a draw. If it’s really scripted, I’d have to think that’s the most likely outcome. Didn’t the Jones fight end in a draw?
You can live with the rest but not tyson (a general human pos garbage person most of his life) being knocked out?
Dude this is a scam fight. It wont end in a draw because that'll expose the scam and stop the Paul money train. Knocking out tyson keeps the train going.
This is where I'm landing on this as well. The fix is in bigtime here. Just too much smoke surrounding this whole circus.
Tyson is a flawed person but damn this is remarkable. The most iconic boxer of his generation says he is just "passing through".
That's a lot of wisdom right there. But as we know there was a steep price to pay for it.
It was a joke.
Your theory presupposes Tyson is willing to lay out for Paul. Maybe you’re overrating Paul’s skill as a boxer. If he entered the LA or New York golden gloves right now do you think he’d win or even make the semis? Because I 100% don’t. So, as a general rule, do we think midlevel amateurs can best 58 year old hall of famers? Or is there something specific about boxing?
I'll clarify. By scam, i mean they've identified tyson as a big name they can beat (similar to what happens in actual boxing). Tyson wont be doing the job, they're banking on him being 58 and having 0 left in the tank resulting in a spectacular youtube knockout for all the idiot tik tokkers who live on their phones and can't read a book. That's the "scam".
You're putting too much weight on HOF boxer. Tyson is 58 and this sham was already postponed because he had old man ulcers. At a certain point, yes, i believe Oscar Robertson can't go out and get a triple double regardless of his HOF status. Age matters. I'm 40 and feel like shit jusy trying to keep up with my 8 year old. It's a real thing.
My only caveat is if tyson is juiced/roided out of his mind and that gives him the stamina and energy of a 50 year old and not 58 year old. Then, maybe, he doesn't get face planted.
Edit: to add about something specific to boxing. I would say yes. The physical reflexes erode to where your body is 2-3 steps behind your brain. We see this all the time with fighters. It's why the joke exists of guys not being able to retire, etc.
Yes, it's sad and for the money most of the time. But for some of them it's feeling good in camp and sparring (where the pressure isnt the same and consequences aren't as harsh as the actual fight).
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