Sons of Peter McNeeley- Boxing Thread

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Fighters change their styles all the time. Maybe the most famous fight of all time - Ali v Frazier is a perfect example of that.
 

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Fighters change their styles all the time. Maybe the most famous fight of all time - Ali v Frazier is a perfect example of that.
Joshua changed his style for his last fight to win back the belts.

But, i have been watching a fair bit of build up to this fight and there's a decent amount of talk along the lines of Fury saying he's gonna knock Wilder out is just a smokescreen. But if he gets a bad cut early he might have no choice but to go for a KO, which probably plays into Wilders hands as Fury will leave himself a bit more open.
 

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Fighters change their styles all the time. Maybe the most famous fight of all time - Ali v Frazier is a perfect example of that.
I saw all three fights and Frazier moved straight forward and launched left hooks like he did in every match he ever fought. Ali didn't have the mobility he had had in the '60s but he still tried to slow Frazier down with jabs and straight rights to stay out of range. He ended up becoming tired early and spent most of the fight on the ropes. The style he used against Frazier was similar to all of his post exile fights.

Fury just doesn't have the pop to knock out Wilder. If he went toe to toe with him, there would be a lot more downside than upside for him.
 

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I saw all three fights and Frazier moved straight forward and launched left hooks like he did in every match he ever fought. Ali didn't have the mobility he had had in the '60s but he still tried to slow Frazier down with jabs and straight rights to stay out of range. He ended up becoming tired early and spent most of the fight on the ropes. The style he used against Frazier was similar to all of his post exile fights.

Fury just doesn't have the pop to knock out Wilder. If he went toe to toe with him, there would be a lot more downside than upside for him.
Sorry, I meant Ali-Foreman.

I agree Fury likely can’t knock out Wilder. I disagree fighters don’t change styles. Look at Mayweather, Dempsey, de la Hoya, Lennox Lewis, Holyfield just to name a few.
 

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Sorry, I meant Ali-Foreman.

I agree Fury likely can’t knock out Wilder. I disagree fighters don’t change styles. Look at Mayweather, Dempsey, de la Hoya, Lennox Lewis, Holyfield just to name a few.
We would have to go fight by fight, but a good example is the second Frazier/Quarry fight. They went toe to toe in the first fight and the first round was voted as being the round of year, but Quarry soon tired and got pummeled until the fight ended after the 7th round. In a press conference before the second fight, Quarry said he was going to throw jabs and give Frazier some room. Frazier's response was to point out that Quarry had short arms, an Ali style strategy was not an option for him and Frazier ended knocking him out again.
 

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We would have to go fight by fight, but a good example is the second Frazier/Quarry fight. They went toe to toe in the first fight and the first round was voted as being the round of year, but Quarry soon tired and got pummeled until the fight ended after the 7th round. In a press conference before the second fight, Quarry said he was going to throw jabs and give Frazier some room. Frazier's response was to point out that Quarry had short arms, an Ali style strategy was not an option for him and Frazier ended knocking him out again.
Right. Better fighters have more ways to adapt or change styles. I’d agree Fury likely doesn’t have the power to knock out Wilder. On the other hand, he does have the talent and ability to change his style and a fair amount of room to sit down on his punches and turn them over and get more power and likely has good enough reflexes and head movement to stand in the pocket and trade with most heavyweights. Just probably not Wilder.

If he wanted to try to KO Joshua, I think he’d have a shot.
 

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Right. Better fighters have more ways to adapt or change styles. I’d agree Fury likely doesn’t have the power to knock out Wilder. On the other hand, he does have the talent and ability to change his style and a fair amount of room to sit down on his punches and turn them over and get more power and likely has good enough reflexes and head movement to stand in the pocket and trade with most heavyweights. Just probably not Wilder.

If he wanted to try to KO Joshua, I think he’d have a shot.
You mentioned the Ali/Foreman fight which is an interesting fight to me in retrospect. Foreman went in for the knockout and Ali covered up on the ropes. I watched the fight again recently on YouTube and there an exchange early in the fight that Ali dominated with with his hand speed, so I don't believe the rope-a-dope strategy was needed. Foreman did punch himself out, but Ali took some rights that were similar to the ones that knocked down Frazier and Ali later said he was out on his feet a couple of times.
 

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How the hell do you score that 2nd round. I’ve got it dead even

20-19 after 2
 

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40-36

Tough job for the ref

Wilder needs to recover because his punch has lost its snap.
 

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49-45

Wilder is taking a fucking beating and I would pull the plug soon unless he showed me a lot this round
 

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Thank god for that ref. Corner should have done it

edit: corner was throwing towel, ok.
 

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That knockdown in the third busted his eardrum and after that it was all over. He had no balance and kept holding on to he ropes or leaned on them so he could steady himself.

no broken eardrum and he would have had a chance. As it was they probably let the fight go a round too long.

fury is pretty damn unlikeable at times isn’t he.