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Not sure what there is to be confused about. Preller would make deals to get impact players to Boston while Bloom would not pull the trigger to do so. All I'm saying is don't trade the whole farm in the process. Identify which ones to keep and which ones are most valuable in a trade.
What players? They’re expensive players but they haven’t actually accomplished anything that the players Bloom brought in weren’t able to accomplish.
If all the situation was a mirror of SD/Boston….We would’ve had the pitchforks out.
 

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I mean sure...but 9 years later they've made the playoffs 9 times, will win their 8th division this year, & easily have a top 10 farm system.
Right, I'm not saying Friedman stinks, obviously. Just that not everyone who inherits a great situation makes the moves or decisions to win a title with it. Cherington did, for instance. So did Click. So did Dombrowski. Though, honestly, I think we're arguing a very small bit of ground, and I'm more just illustrating the point as to my preference and the reason behind it is all. Again, I'm more than fine with either of the Braves assistant GMs, wouldn't hate the idea of Gomes, etc.

That said I'm admittedly a "flags fly forever" fan and would (since I don't count 2020 at all) rather be a Marlins fan the last 30 years than the Dodgers - but I don't expect everyone to share that perspective. (I am, of course, glad to be from Massachusetts and thus a Sox fan over either of those two franchises, and over any franchise in the game - though Houston, SF, StL and Atlanta have it pretty good).
 
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Preller has been in charge in SD for 8 full seasons (not counting 2020) and the Pads have finished over .500 once. Once!
 

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Unless the X deal and the Machado extension were 100% orchestrated by ownership and bypassed Preller completely, I want nothing to do with him. Ever.
 

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Not sure what there is to be confused about. Preller would make deals to get impact players to Boston while Bloom would not pull the trigger to do so. All I'm saying is don't trade the whole farm in the process. Identify which ones to keep and which ones are most valuable in a trade.
But if it's all about results--which many people think it was with Bloom--Preller's suck. He's an action junkie, but a crappy GM. This is his 9th year with San Diego, and his teams have won 0 divisions, have made the playoffs twice, and have won 1 playoff series. He makes headlines, but doesn't build very good teams.
 

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I think this was pretty obvious. Antonetti has been with Cleveland for nearly a quarter-century and has been their baseball guy almost since day one... Shapiro was a personnel guy (he had a knack for hiring the right people for the right job) and brought Antonetti in to be one of the first in a major league front office to set up an analytical system to evaluate and literally translate performance into dollars. I'm sure he'd enjoy having more money to spend, but he built his career in baseball on cost efficiency. I could be wrong, but I also don't think the Red Sox have an official job promotion to offer him. I couldn't find the details of his contract with Cleveland, but he essentially has a lifetime deal – complete job security as long as he wants it – an ownership that completely trusts him and a sympathetic fan base that will always blame ownership rather than him. From his perspective, why give that up for a job he'd most likely be fired from or burned out by within five years? From the Red Sox perspective, is there evidence he's better qualified to hand out big contracts than other candidates?
 

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I see a lot of discussion here about trades but what the Sox probably need most immediately is a guy who is good at making big free agent acquisitions, which is a different skill set. Trading acumen helps and that's getting tossed around as the big criticism of Bloom, but the offseason will depend, at first, on whether the next guy can convince Yamamoto or another free agent (Ohtani?!?) that they should sign with Boston, and money will only be one factor.
Hm. Might not want to look too deeply into Hazen's track record, there, either.

(What's funny is that I actually do think he's got the D-Backs decently set up, despite my recent posts on the subject.)
 

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But if it's all about results--which many people think it was with Bloom--Preller's suck. He's an action junkie, but a crappy GM. This is his 9th year with San Diego, and his teams have won 0 divisions, have made the playoffs twice, and have won 1 playoff series. He makes headlines, but doesn't build very good teams.
Preller's a fantasy GM. Not as in the guy you fantasize about running your team. As in he's a middling rotisserie GM. Always tinkering, always offering crazy trades, but his teams always seem to be less than the sum of their parts.
 

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Mejdal is interesting. I think my only real hesitation is that the things that he's proven that he's really good at aren't really the areas the Red Sox need to improve. Like they fired Bloom presumably to get the next guy to put them over the top, but Mejdal has only gotten up through the player development portion for the most part. If he interviewed well & had really smart ideas about how they could take those next steps, though? I wouldn't be opposed on principal.
Don’t disagree. Part of this post is just wanting to have a dog in the race, and I do think Mejdal will start getting interviews and offers soon. One drawback is that he worked in that crazy, toxic Houston front office. I don’t think anyone wants that culture on Yawkey Way (unless you are a completely blinkered championships or nothing kind of fan).

A lot of this thread is just picking apart the candidates who are currently assistant GMs haven’t yet done or criticizing the current GMs.

Unless FSG is throwing an ownership stake on the table or there is a powerful personal motivation we’re not privy to, none of the best CBOs/GMs are on the table - Friedman, Neander, Anthopoulos, Theo, and whoever else you put in your top tier.

Every candidate is going to either have blemishes on their GM record or will be taking on a new level of responsibility. That’s who’s available…as well as Click.

I can’t exactly tell why Click was let go. Did he really just clash with Crane? did Crane go overboard on micro-managing after getting burned by Luhnow? These aren’t blemishes on Click, per se, but are issues FSG need to explore if Click is the guy. And Click might also ask for a lot of authority to protect himself from another Crane situation, which FSG might not agree to.

I went back and looked at some of the stories from when Bloom was hired. I laughed because several highlighted the Rays’ ability to develop young and overhaul veteran pitchers…and that Bloom would import this strength to Boston. I’m not trying to litigate Bloom’s track record in this thread, just pointing out how much projection goes into assessing these candidates.
 

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Brandon Gomes and Ben Sestanovich both seem interesting, but I have to say, I don't see a ton in this thread that I would prioritize over just promoting Eddie Romero.
 

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Every candidate is going to either have blemishes on their GM record or will be taking on a new level of responsibility. That’s who’s available…as well as Click.

I can’t exactly tell why Click was let go. Did he really just clash with Crane? did Crane go overboard on micro-managing after getting burned by Luhnow? These aren’t blemishes on Click, per se, but are issues FSG need to explore if Click is the guy. And Click might also ask for a lot of authority to protect himself from another Crane situation, which FSG might not agree to.
My question re: Click is why he doesn't have a job already? Did Houston make him sign a non-compete or something? (Note that this is an implication-free question, genuinely wondering!)
 

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My question re: Click is why he doesn't have a job already? Did Houston make him sign a non-compete or something? (Note that this is an implication-free question, genuinely wondering!)
He works for the Blue Jays, he left HOU in November after they only offered a 1 year deal and was hired by TOR three months later.
 

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I can’t exactly tell why Click was let go. Did he really just clash with Crane? did Crane go overboard on micro-managing after getting burned by Luhnow? These aren’t blemishes on Click, per se, but are issues FSG need to explore if Click is the guy. And Click might also ask for a lot of authority to protect himself from another Crane situation, which FSG might not agree to.
Here is a good breakdown. Seems Crane had issues with him being too deliberate . . . but also vetoed one of his trades. Click publicly complained about the one year extension Crane offered Click despite Click's accomplishments and reputation throughout MLB. . . so Crane fired him:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/astros-general-manager-james-click-fired/xlwanq5edsihin1yd3fxm158
 

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I really hope it's not Hazen. Arizona's got a middling team and a middling farm, and the Cherington era kinda stunk.
 

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I really hope it's not Hazen. Arizona's got a middling team and a middling farm, and the Cherington era kinda stunk.
Seems they WERE very high and lost their top guys to MLB. I see BA now has them down at 20. That is concerning that they had such little depth behind those guys. They didn't make a blockbuster trade to cost them a half dozen top prospects.

https://www.si.com/mlb/diamondbacks/prospects/d-backs-farm-system-ranked-third-best-by-mlb-pipeline

https://arizonasports.com/story/3532038/diamondbacks-fall-to-no-24-on-espns-updated-mlb-farm-rankings/
 

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I think Romero is really good at what he does... but we have no idea how he is at what he doesn't do, doesn't bring a new perspective to the building, & putting him in a different role may impact the international scouting.

I still wouldn't hate it, & I'd probably choose it over several other options, but I think it's probably not optimal.
 

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I think Romero is really good at what he does... but we have no idea how he is at what he doesn't do, doesn't bring a new perspective to the building, & putting him in a different role may impact the international scouting.

I still wouldn't hate it, & I'd probably choose it over several other options, but I think it's probably not optimal.
I'm inclined to agree with this, but there's another question, which is "If you don't promote your extremely successful employees, how long before they go work for someone else?"

It's fair to ask how much that kind of boogeyman should figure into a role as important as this one, though.
 
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Brandon Gomes is the top of my list, or really anyone from the Dodgers they think would be qualified. There just isn't another organization that consistently performs across all levels like them.
 

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Something that - we'll admittedly never know but would be really interesting - is how much the front office is / was comprised by "Yes (wo)men" or how much it was the Team of Rivals approach.

Not for nothing, and this is probably extremely naive, but I've always been of the belief that post Lucchino, FSG doesn't meddle in baseball decisions. I think it's more they set out rules and let their executives follow them as they see fit, and really only interject on things that would break those rules or be huge allocations of money (ie "yes, you can make this deal to go over the luxury tax"; "ok, we'll commit to Chris Sale if that's how you want to use the money", etc, etc).

So - just as a for instance - if we think to the reported Rangers offer, I sincerely doubt that Henry(FSG) was walking into the offices and saying you "must" or "must not" make this deal. But I can absolutely see them saying "its your call - good or bad." Probably similar to what they told DDski when they agreed to the extension in the first place.

Though beyond that, to the decision making in the baseball operations department, was it a situation where Romero and / or Ferreira were advocating the FO to take the deal and move on from Sale OR were they in agreement with Bloom to hold on to Sale. If it's the former, then I can see why they might be viewed as having the "good qualities" of Bloom while not possessing the "bad qualities" and you'd want to promote that person. If the latter, you probably wouldn't consider them as a continuation of what you just moved on from.

I'm just using that as an example (and I'm sure there were times that anyone in the FO both agreed and disagreed with decisions made) but many discussions / decisions in aggregate could certainly and reasonably paint a picture of a candidate that would be extremely attractive to promote from within OR one that you feel is good in their current role yet not suited to be leading the baseball operations department.
 

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I'm inclined to agree with this, but there's another question, which is "If you don't promote your extremely successful employees, how long before they go work for someone else?"

It's fair to ask how much that kind of boogeyman should figure into a role as important as this one, though.
Not sure if I've heard any buzz about Romero for other teams. Another option is hiring an outside CBO who was excited to have Romero as their GM.

Kind of like how they brought Bloom in & O'Halloran got promoted to GM.
 

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Not sure if I've heard any buzz about Romero for other teams. Another option is hiring an outside CBO who was excited to have Romero as their GM.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually enjoy the insights from Mazz' regarding baseball and the Red Sox. Lord knows he's not always right, but I think generally speaking his ideas are rational - once you get past the yelling.

I only say all this because he has been on the idea of Romero as the replacement for Bloom / O'Halloran but with MLB player decisions getting approved / vetoed by Cora as an "acceptable" outcome since the news on Bloom came down. For example: "We've got a deal in place of Mayer and Crawford for Logan Gilbert" Or "we want to trade Trevor Story and Shane Drohan for Javier Baez and Tarik Skubal" or whatever and Cora gives a yes or no. (These are just totally made up to illustrate a point, while Romero runs everything on the minor league side, but Cora makes the final call on his MLB roster).

All of which is to say, I don't hate it.

Yes, it's unconventional in today's game, but I don't think it's lunacy either. If nothing else, while there are names out there we've heard that I certainly prefer to this set up, I'd like it a lot more than Preller, Tim Naehring, Dayton Moore or other ideas we've heard bandied about.
 
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I don't even want Cora managing the team, let alone making personnel decisions when there is absolutely nothing I've seen that would indicate that he's good at those.
 

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While this ownership group has certainly strategically leaked when there's PR benefit---especially during/after departures---I dont' recall ANY meaningful or accurate leaks during prior GM/POBO type searches. Does anyone else?

My guess is that most of what is reported is going to be speculation or from agents for possible candidates and worth a little, but only a very little.
 

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I don't even want Cora managing the team, let alone making personnel decisions when there is absolutely nothing I've seen that would indicate that he's good at those.
Yeah, I knew we'd disagree on the Cora part.

For what it's worth, I like him as a manager, but I'm more a believer in the ingredients vs the cook. I think he can and will win (and has) with a good roster. I also don't think he is a good fit for a rebuilding team. Even with this in mind, I believe that whomever is the new "GM" should get to choose his field manager and coaching staff.

But if that decision is Romero (or Ferreira) with Cora playing a large MLB role, I don't hate it. I don't "prefer" it, either, but I think there are plenty of worse options that have been outlined in the press.
 

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I am just now realizing that potential GM Eddie Romero is not the middle infielder of my 1980s season ticket holding years, he of the career -5.2 bWAR, but his son.
I looked up Ed's stats. It is a tribute to him that he managed to stay in the league for 12 years with a 1-2 punch of bad hitting and mediocre fielding. In his time in Boston, he managed the nearly impossible feat of having a higher OBP than slugging. He must have been an incredible clubhouse guy.

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Yeah, I knew we'd disagree on the Cora part.

For what it's worth, I like him as a manager, but I'm more a believer in the ingredients vs the cook. I think he can and will win (and has) with a good roster. I also don't think he is a good fit for a rebuilding team. Even with this in mind, I believe that whomever is the new "GM" should get to choose his field manager and coaching staff.

But if that decision is Romero (or Ferreira) with Cora playing a large MLB role, I don't hate it. I don't "prefer" it, either, but I think there are plenty of worse options that have been outlined in the press.
Yeah... there's a group of people I expect to make mostly good decisions based on a good process.

There's people I expect to make bad decisions based on past history.

& there's complete wild cards who have shown no aptitude at the new role & would be moving to a completely different profession than that which they've been involved with previously. Which I guess is better than proven bad decision-makers, but pretty dangerous.

& it's not like I think Cora is necessarily a bad manager - if I had a job open for a different team I would definitely want to interview him. But I think the team just needs a fresh start with new voices & new perspective from outside the organization at all levels.
 

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D'backs president on Hazen:

“They haven’t contacted me,” Hall said of the Red Sox. “And I hope they don’t. He’s under contract and we like him.”

“He and I are always having conversations about his future,” Hall said. “He’s got a full year, then a club option on top of that, so there’s still plenty of time on the contract. I can’t envision us going a different direction with what he’s built and his (leadership) team, too. Having Mike and (assistant general manager) Amiel (Sawdaye) has certainly been a plus. I’m more than willing to have conversations with him at any point.”
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/diamondbacks/2023/09/18/dbacks-derrick-hall-downplays-mike-hazen-red-sox-rumors/70896464007/

Hazen is a recently widowed father of four boys between ages 13-17. I just don't see what would be attractive enough about this position compared to his current situation for him to uproot his kids at those ages, away from their lives and friends and school and support network, when they're already dealing with so much. He knows firsthand what a pressured grind it is in Boston. I would be very unsurprised to see another AZ contract extension coming out of this.
 

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While this ownership group has certainly strategically leaked when there's PR benefit---especially during/after departures---I dont' recall ANY meaningful or accurate leaks during prior GM/POBO type searches. Does anyone else?

My guess is that most of what is reported is going to be speculation or from agents for possible candidates and worth a little, but only a very little.
There haven't really been a ton of these searches with this ownership group. Really, it's only been 2002 and 2019. Cherington was elevated internally both times Theo left. Dombrowski was hired somewhat out of the blue while Cherington was still on the job. And even the 2019 search was apparently not a widely cast net. Bloom was their intended target from the jump.

So yeah, if things stay to form, most of the speculated candidates are probably just that, speculated. Nothing significant leaking from inside the club.
 

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What players? They’re expensive players but they haven’t actually accomplished anything that the players Bloom brought in weren’t able to accomplish.
If all the situation was a mirror of SD/Boston….We would’ve had the pitchforks out.
Preller is my nightmare choice. I'm not concerned, though, because the Bloom choice represented a sea change in direction. I can't see them switching horses midstream.
 

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Yeah, I knew we'd disagree on the Cora part.

For what it's worth, I like him as a manager, but I'm more a believer in the ingredients vs the cook. I think he can and will win (and has) with a good roster. I also don't think he is a good fit for a rebuilding team. Even with this in mind, I believe that whomever is the new "GM" should get to choose his field manager and coaching staff.

But if that decision is Romero (or Ferreira) with Cora playing a large MLB role, I don't hate it. I don't "prefer" it, either, but I think there are plenty of worse options that have been outlined in the press.
I'm fairly indifferent on Cora but I don't see why he wouldn't be good for a rebuilding team. Our young guys seemed to thrive under him this year. In contrast to a guy like Farrell who I seem to recall (100 percent could be mis-remembering here) stifling the young guys whenever there was a veteran available. Of course, firing Bloom indicates that ownership feels we are no longer a rebuilding team so it's a moot point really.
 

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Yeah, I knew we'd disagree on the Cora part.

For what it's worth, I like him as a manager, but I'm more a believer in the ingredients vs the cook. I think he can and will win (and has) with a good roster. I also don't think he is a good fit for a rebuilding team. Even with this in mind, I believe that whomever is the new "GM" should get to choose his field manager and coaching staff.

But if that decision is Romero (or Ferreira) with Cora playing a large MLB role, I don't hate it. I don't "prefer" it, either, but I think there are plenty of worse options that have been outlined in the press.
Maybe he has a bit of an informed opinion. Mazz probably got a deeper look into the inner workings of the team last season when he was callng games. Previous and after his stint there, maybe not so much due to his day job, but he probably had a fair amount of access while he was there.
 

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I looked up Ed's stats. It is a tribute to him that he managed to stay in the league for 12 years with a 1-2 punch of bad hitting and mediocre fielding. In his time in Boston, he managed the nearly impossible feat of having a higher OBP than slugging. He must have been an incredible clubhouse guy.

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Clearly he was a brainiac if his kid is so accomplished in the FO. Also back then if you had even one middle infielder who could hit above his weight it was considered a minor miracle.
 

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Dombrowski wasn't a "just don't even bother with development" type. He was a "Here's three guys for your vet that I want. Oh, you want four guys? Sure, have four" type. The problem is that every single one of those deals drains your upper minors, meaning that you're now dealing lottery tickets, and you have to deal more then because those A ball guys are generally 4-6 years out.
 

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I only say all this because he has been on the idea of Romero as the replacement for Bloom / O'Halloran but with MLB player decisions getting approved / vetoed by Cora as an "acceptable" outcome since the news on Bloom came down. For example: "We've got a deal in place of Mayer and Crawford for Logan Gilbert" Or "we want to trade Trevor Story and Shane Drohan for Javier Baez and Tarik Skubal" or whatever and Cora gives a yes or no. (These are just totally made up to illustrate a point, while Romero runs everything on the minor league side, but Cora makes the final call on his MLB roster).

All of which is to say, I don't hate it.

Yes, it's unconventional in today's game, but I don't think it's lunacy either. If nothing else, while there are names out there we've heard that I certainly prefer to this set up, I'd like it a lot more than Preller, Tim Naehring, Dayton Moore or other ideas we've heard bandied about.
I can't think of a better way to get 29 MLB GMs to stop returning your phone calls than to have them waste their time and energy working out a deal with the GM only to have it nixed by someone else. If other teams thought Bloom was difficult to deal with, this certainly wouldn't be the remedy.
 

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I can't think of a better way to get 29 MLB GMs to stop returning your phone calls than to have them waste their time and energy working out a deal with the GM only to have it nixed by someone else. If other teams thought Bloom was difficult to deal with, this certainly wouldn't be the remedy.
Totally valid. I suppose it would depend on what point in the negotiations Cora was brought in. But totally valid.

I'm fairly indifferent on Cora but I don't see why he wouldn't be good for a rebuilding team. Our young guys seemed to thrive under him this year. In contrast to a guy like Farrell who I seem to recall (100 percent could be mis-remembering here) stifling the young guys whenever there was a veteran available. Of course, firing Bloom indicates that ownership feels we are no longer a rebuilding team so it's a moot point really.
Just doesn't seem to be where he thrives. Or maybe he just hated Bloom. I have no idea. But based on some of his very public comments (most notably about it not being about where your farm system is ranked but how often and deep the team players into October), to me he seems much more like the type of manager one would want on a team that is comprised of veterans where maybe you're trying to break in one young position player and one starting pitcher and the idea is to contend for the World Series and not the 3rd wild card if everything breaks right.

Overall though, I tend to agree it's a moot point.
 
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