So, uh, Brady... IS THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME NOT EVEN CLOSE SCREW YOU MONTANA
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weeba said:
I hate the "well, he doesn't throw deep" and "he doesn't have the greatest tools of all time" bullshit. Who fucking cares how the guy gets shit done? If we're talking about tools and throwing deep, let's just give it to Rodgers and call it a day, but thankfully playing quarterback is a lot more than having a big arm and being accurate with the football. Dude wins time and time again with different teams around him, has great numbers and is nails when the chips are down. Who gives a fuck if aethetically you prefer other QBs, it's like saying Greg Maddux wasn't as good a pitcher as Randy Johnson because his stuff wasn't as overpowering.
If it's that easy to win throwing short and taking care of the ball, why doesn't everyone follow that gameplan?
The other thing about not having a big arm not mattering much is that the other guy most mentioned for GOAT, Joe Montana, didn't have one either.rodderick said:
Brady's got a cannon. This throw is a freaking rocket.
edit: and interestingly, right on LaFell's body.
edit: and interestingly, right on LaFell's body.
This was just offered to me on NFL.com while watching Brady's MVP press conference. To which: Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Brady was mic'd up during the Super Bowl.
https://twitter.com/nflfilms/status/562646557418610688
8PM EST, Thursday NFL Network.
https://twitter.com/nflfilms/status/562646557418610688
8PM EST, Thursday NFL Network.
ragnarok725 said:
Does someone here have the means to record it and possibly put it online for us non-US residents? I know eventually they end up surfacing on the internet, but the NFL is pretty hardcore about not allowing those kinds of videos to stay up for long.
Sherman was clearly talking about Revis after the Baldwin TD. Which is what he does. Doesn't matter much to me.
I live in the Bay Area and there are plenty of people here who think that Montana is still clearly better than Brady. For example, they will correctly cite the fact that Montana didn't throw any picks in any of his four Superbowl victories while discounting the fact that Montana had, in general, far superior talent around him than Brady has over their respective careers.
The reality is that there is no convincing those folks or the others who still think Manning was/is the better QB. And I suspect that if you beat the bushes enough, you will still find the odd person or two who thinks that Brady is simply a "system" QB or a good game manager. Some of this may be crazy talk but the reality is that as long as what defines "greatness" is subjective, there will always be a debate.
I think Tom Brady is the G.O.A.T. but I don't bother debating anyone about it because its an exercise in futility. The bottom line is that I am blessed that I can even seriously hold the firm belief that Brady is the greatest and I got to watch him play and win for the Patriots. As we've seen with the other greats for Boston (Bird, Pedro) and elsewhere, these players are extremely rare and if you have the privilege of having them play for a team for whom you root, you really are extremely lucky.
The reality is that there is no convincing those folks or the others who still think Manning was/is the better QB. And I suspect that if you beat the bushes enough, you will still find the odd person or two who thinks that Brady is simply a "system" QB or a good game manager. Some of this may be crazy talk but the reality is that as long as what defines "greatness" is subjective, there will always be a debate.
I think Tom Brady is the G.O.A.T. but I don't bother debating anyone about it because its an exercise in futility. The bottom line is that I am blessed that I can even seriously hold the firm belief that Brady is the greatest and I got to watch him play and win for the Patriots. As we've seen with the other greats for Boston (Bird, Pedro) and elsewhere, these players are extremely rare and if you have the privilege of having them play for a team for whom you root, you really are extremely lucky.
The throw where Edelman should have died but got up and kept going anyway was also a rocket.crystalline said:Brady's got a cannon. This throw is a freaking rocket.
edit: and interestingly, right on LaFell's body.
LOL "helmet radio" - Tom, TOM!!! Throw there! No, to the left. TO THE LEFT!!!! Branch is - just - THROW IT LEFT! Good, good. Nice throw. Good boy. Huddle up.
Those last two sentences are mind-numblingly dumb. Brady's legacy is all luck? The two Giants SBs were pretty much the definition of dogshit luck. Leading two surgical scoring drives against the best defense of the past 15 years down 10 with a quarter to go, that's obviously luck.
Also: 2007 Pats with Brady = best team of all time against a meat grinder. Same team in 2008 with Cassel? 11-5 against the easiest schedule in the league.
Embrace the hate.
Also: 2007 Pats with Brady = best team of all time against a meat grinder. Same team in 2008 with Cassel? 11-5 against the easiest schedule in the league.
Embrace the hate.
Just saw this stat rewatching the game.
Brady is now 9 for 12 in game winning drive opportunities in the 4th quarter of postseason games!
When Tom Brady has to drive down the field to win the game for his team he does it 75% of the time. That is insane.
Brady is now 9 for 12 in game winning drive opportunities in the 4th quarter of postseason games!
When Tom Brady has to drive down the field to win the game for his team he does it 75% of the time. That is insane.
Yeah I'm wondering the same thing. I get Nbcsn's NFL Turning Point but if the NFLN is going to serve up a whole Super Bowl's worth of mic'd Brady, that won't be shown elsewhere, I'll consider subscribing for a month at least.soxhop411 said:
I didn't notice when watching but Simon got cracked there and probably concussed.crystalline said:Brady's got a cannon. This throw is a freaking rocket.
edit: and interestingly, right on LaFell's body.
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
That is my favorite part of the little rant you posted. Maybe that explains why Jet's QBs have had so many incompletions/interceptions. They always throw to the most equal match up and look off the uncovered receiver. How honorable of them. That Brady is like the serpent in the Garden of Eden, I tell you. He will burn for all time for throwing to the open man and the mismatch. If on the rest of the world could see that the way to true satisfaction is to not take advantage of your opponents mistakes. You've heard of Sun Tzu, Napoleon, Patton: Morons. You don't hit the enemy where he is weakest, that is for losers. Hit them where they are strongest; its the Jets way.
Interesting tidbit from CHFF (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/new-england-patriots-outlast-seattle-seahawks-super-bowl-classic/33014/):
"One specific stat deserves attention: the Patriots are now 4-1 in the postseason when Brady attempts 50+ passes in a game. For a little perspective, every other QB in postseason history is 3-27.
Put another way, no QB in history has carried his team in big games like Brady. That 4-1 record includes a 2-0 mark here in the 2014 postseason. Brady attempted 50 passes in both the Ravens game in the divisional around and again last night in the Super Bowl.
Throwing 50+ passes is usually a bad sign, a sign of desperation. So it's hard to win that way. But the Patriots overcame a 14-point second-half deficit against the Ravens and a 10-point fourth-quarter hole against Seattle by relying on Brady's surgeon-like approach to the passing game. "
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So every other QB in postseason history has, when throwing 50 or more passes, a winning percentage of .100. Tom Brady, on the other hand, has a winning percentage of .800 in those circumstances.
That is just incredible.
"One specific stat deserves attention: the Patriots are now 4-1 in the postseason when Brady attempts 50+ passes in a game. For a little perspective, every other QB in postseason history is 3-27.
Put another way, no QB in history has carried his team in big games like Brady. That 4-1 record includes a 2-0 mark here in the 2014 postseason. Brady attempted 50 passes in both the Ravens game in the divisional around and again last night in the Super Bowl.
Throwing 50+ passes is usually a bad sign, a sign of desperation. So it's hard to win that way. But the Patriots overcame a 14-point second-half deficit against the Ravens and a 10-point fourth-quarter hole against Seattle by relying on Brady's surgeon-like approach to the passing game. "
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So every other QB in postseason history has, when throwing 50 or more passes, a winning percentage of .100. Tom Brady, on the other hand, has a winning percentage of .800 in those circumstances.
That is just incredible.
"Richard Sherman and the Seahawks thought they had Tom Brady knocked out well before New England's game-winning drive in the fourth quarter.
In an upcoming wired segment for Inside The NFL, which will also be shown on NFL Network at 9 p.m. ET Wednesday, the outspoken cornerback tells his teammates that Brady is "scared, his heart's gone. It's almost gone.""
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000468082/article/sherman-after-second-brady-pick-his-hearts-gone
In an upcoming wired segment for Inside The NFL, which will also be shown on NFL Network at 9 p.m. ET Wednesday, the outspoken cornerback tells his teammates that Brady is "scared, his heart's gone. It's almost gone.""
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000468082/article/sherman-after-second-brady-pick-his-hearts-gone
Oh man I kepp coming in here (and a few other threads) and it's making this superbowl win so much sweeter.
I fucking hate this argument so much. Once again, if it's that easy to throw short and have that much success, why doesn't everyone do it?riboflav said:
The Four Peters said:
You tease.
https://twitter.com/tomecurran/status/563435750633787392
Click through and you can view the, er, "conversation." And by conversation, I mean something that would have been broken up had it occurred here. Wow.
Kacsmar's right on one thing, the Seattle playcalling on that last drive where they kept chucking Flacco prayer balls was pretty bad even if one of them did get answered.
The throwing deep argument doesn't have a ton of merit. Brady hasn't been good at throwing deep for years and keeps churning out top five passing offenses even when his receiving core is Edelman and a bunch of guys who didn't/barely played in the league this season. I used to worry about this drop of in ability f as well, but if it was easy enough to "force him to throw the ball deep" to the point it reduced his effectiveness Im pretty sure the league would have figured it out over the course of five seasons.
The throwing deep argument doesn't have a ton of merit. Brady hasn't been good at throwing deep for years and keeps churning out top five passing offenses even when his receiving core is Edelman and a bunch of guys who didn't/barely played in the league this season. I used to worry about this drop of in ability f as well, but if it was easy enough to "force him to throw the ball deep" to the point it reduced his effectiveness Im pretty sure the league would have figured it out over the course of five seasons.
Curran is being foolish. Kacsmar is one of the most transparent spinmeisters going, and has been for years. He would give any propagandist fom the annals of history a run for the title of Archon of Damned Lies and Statistics. His rants on KFFL went through at least two banned personas of nonsense. He epitomizes the maxim that a little (statistical) knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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